The Big Brother 12 After Dark(Showtime Too) Discussion Thread
07-26-10 | 04:42 AM
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It's not so much about me being obsessed with the producer fix as it is that they are so obvious this season. Last season, the only previous season I had actually watched, I didn't get the feeling that the producers were rigging the comps. I felt like they probably encouraged the drama and I really didn't know what to think of the fake Russ/Chima fight. At the time I wondered if it was just them faking it to get face time on tv and the DR just went along with it for the drama. The fallout certainly was entertaining with the total destruction of team Jessie. Watching Chima and Lydia self-destruct made for some good tv.
This season however we have the house guests complaining about DR manipulation:
Hayden said DR all week tried to talk him out of getting rid of Annie.
The joke about HoH dropping the PoV bag to reveal 20 balls with rachel and Brendon on them.
Brendon complaining that the HoH this week was made for little feet and rigged for Matt to win.
The link for jokers updates I posted before where Brit and Matt discussed DR manipulation.
The list really goes on. Now after seeing Brendon and Rachel counting to prepare for the PoV the next day, knowing that they would be playing even though neither was nominated... I actually just looked it up and it turns out that they asked ragan that night about the hold/fold PoV and he explained what it was. Turns out that was the PoV, so the night before the PoV Rachel and Brendon knew which competition would take place and they knew that they were going to be in the PoV.
http://forums.jokersupdates.com/ubbt...o=&rc=&fpart=1
Honestly, now there is no doubt in my mind about this show. I'm done now. If I have nothing else to do I'll check out the PoV on Wed. but I doubt it. This guilty pleasure is over for me. I can understand the need for spicing it up and adding drama, but this is scripted tv, not reality tv. I read somewhere that Britney even predicted before the comp that Brendon was going to win. Oh well, I just got some free space on the DVR and increased my free time as well.
This season however we have the house guests complaining about DR manipulation:
Hayden said DR all week tried to talk him out of getting rid of Annie.
The joke about HoH dropping the PoV bag to reveal 20 balls with rachel and Brendon on them.
Brendon complaining that the HoH this week was made for little feet and rigged for Matt to win.
The link for jokers updates I posted before where Brit and Matt discussed DR manipulation.
The list really goes on. Now after seeing Brendon and Rachel counting to prepare for the PoV the next day, knowing that they would be playing even though neither was nominated... I actually just looked it up and it turns out that they asked ragan that night about the hold/fold PoV and he explained what it was. Turns out that was the PoV, so the night before the PoV Rachel and Brendon knew which competition would take place and they knew that they were going to be in the PoV.
http://forums.jokersupdates.com/ubbt...o=&rc=&fpart=1
Honestly, now there is no doubt in my mind about this show. I'm done now. If I have nothing else to do I'll check out the PoV on Wed. but I doubt it. This guilty pleasure is over for me. I can understand the need for spicing it up and adding drama, but this is scripted tv, not reality tv. I read somewhere that Britney even predicted before the comp that Brendon was going to win. Oh well, I just got some free space on the DVR and increased my free time as well.
You didn't know it was rigged when the Producers blackmailed Eric in Season 8 to keep Evil Dick.
You didn't realize it was rigged when Dicks rival Jen is the only player who's ball didn't come up at f7 veto comp.
Ever season since season 6 contestants post show call out the producers for trying to change the rules and manipulate people to keep their favorites in longer. If I was running the show and I was actually running a clean game I would probably sue the pants of anyone who claimed I was fixing things .
You don't see BB Producers doing this because they know they know the end product is manipulated as much as an episode of the hills or wwe match.
That said enjoy the show for what it is an entertaining summer show. Most of this cast may be duds but that happens every few years.
07-26-10 | 03:18 PM
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You mean you didn't know it was rigged when the buzzers just happened to break in an HOH comp after Janelle was eliminated in all stars .Sure enough the comp is replayed again sure enough Janelle wins. You mean you didn't know it was rigged when that some contestant won a POV comp that was do or die for her and sure enough no one but the Producers would know if Janelle buzzed in quicker then Danielle since all the contestants were blindfolded in a grave.
You didn't know it was rigged when the Producers blackmailed Eric in Season 8 to keep Evil Dick.
You didn't realize it was rigged when Dicks rival Jen is the only player who's ball didn't come up at f7 veto comp.
Ever season since season 6 contestants post show call out the producers for trying to change the rules and manipulate people to keep their favorites in longer. If I was running the show and I was actually running a clean game I would probably sue the pants of anyone who claimed I was fixing things .
You don't see BB Producers doing this because they know they know the end product is manipulated as much as an episode of the hills or wwe match.
That said enjoy the show for what it is an entertaining summer show. Most of this cast may be duds but that happens every few years.
You didn't know it was rigged when the Producers blackmailed Eric in Season 8 to keep Evil Dick.
You didn't realize it was rigged when Dicks rival Jen is the only player who's ball didn't come up at f7 veto comp.
Ever season since season 6 contestants post show call out the producers for trying to change the rules and manipulate people to keep their favorites in longer. If I was running the show and I was actually running a clean game I would probably sue the pants of anyone who claimed I was fixing things .
You don't see BB Producers doing this because they know they know the end product is manipulated as much as an episode of the hills or wwe match.
That said enjoy the show for what it is an entertaining summer show. Most of this cast may be duds but that happens every few years.
I suppose one of the fun things to watch the show for is to see the stupid moves these folks make and then have to wonder if it is fixed. Matt and his noms are a great example. Sure it probably means he has a small target on his back next week but he had a chance to break up the power couple and cause some good drama for the week and instead he totally screwed it up and is getting rid of one of the floaters. Now it would have been fun all week to speculate as to why he did this, but knowing that Brenda and Rachel knew the night before which PoV comp would be played and knowing that they were both playing in the comp before the names were even drawn pretty much makes this a boring show that is very poorly scripted. So summer time or not, I'd rather read a book or play a game or something.
07-26-10 | 03:19 PM
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07-26-10 | 05:39 PM
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BB didn't really change until Grodner took over for Shapiro (after seaon 6). The casts got scuzzier, and there were more questionable game things happening.
07-26-10 | 05:48 PM
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I will be happy if they keep Rachel in the game, they got rid of Laura way too early last year.
07-26-10 | 10:29 PM
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I've been gone for a week so I'm in the process of catching up on the shows. Just watched the veto comp that Brit won where everyone was saying it was rigged. Uh...what? Seriously, this rigged shit is hilarious. Again, not that it doesn't happen, but people inside and outside of the house get OBSESSED with it. They make connections in their heads that aren't always there. As for that brief case veto comp being fixed, um...wouldn't the others just have had to drop their cases? Or is the "fix" being the final times being a lie? If they think that's the case, then there's no hope for those folks.
As for the suing of the players by producers, if the game show is in fact rigged to the extent they believe, then why aren't they suing the show's producers? I mean we're talking about them costing them a shot at 500K. So they think the show "cheats" but don't do anything about it? That's even more fishy than the reverse scenario.
As for the suing of the players by producers, if the game show is in fact rigged to the extent they believe, then why aren't they suing the show's producers? I mean we're talking about them costing them a shot at 500K. So they think the show "cheats" but don't do anything about it? That's even more fishy than the reverse scenario.
07-26-10 | 10:48 PM
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I've been gone for a week so I'm in the process of catching up on the shows. Just watched the veto comp that Brit won where everyone was saying it was rigged. Uh...what? Seriously, this rigged shit is hilarious. Again, not that it doesn't happen, but people inside and outside of the house get OBSESSED with it. They make connections in their heads that aren't always there. As for that brief case veto comp being fixed, um...wouldn't the others just have had to drop their cases? Or is the "fix" being the final times being a lie? If they think that's the case, then there's no hope for those folks.
As for the suing of the players by producers, if the game show is in fact rigged to the extent they believe, then why aren't they suing the show's producers? I mean we're talking about them costing them a shot at 500K. So they think the show "cheats" but don't do anything about it? That's even more fishy than the reverse scenario.
As for the suing of the players by producers, if the game show is in fact rigged to the extent they believe, then why aren't they suing the show's producers? I mean we're talking about them costing them a shot at 500K. So they think the show "cheats" but don't do anything about it? That's even more fishy than the reverse scenario.
As for them suing, probably can't happen do to the terms of their contracts. Otherwise Chima would have had a huge case against them if they could sue CBS. All she would have to do is show that CBS knew the fight was fake and yet they continued to portray her as a racist when they cut the live shows. I have heard many of them talk about getting on the show through a casting agency, so it isn't like these are all people off the road hired to let them invade privacy. For the most part they all seem to either be aspiring actors/entertainment positions or somehow be affiliated with the entertainment industry. Jeff last year talked about how he was a small time model and I know most of the players have mentioned agents in the past. Hell, Rachel figured out that her and Kristen were both scheduled for the same bikini shoot in Hawaii in January but Rachel cancelled last minute. I am sure that the money to these folks is secondary to the screen time for them to put on their resume.
07-26-10 | 10:59 PM
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Not sure about the competitions you mentioned being fixed, but I don't see how anyone can call it a stretch that the PoV for this week was handed to Rachel and Brenda. The night before the comp they knew they were going to play for PoV even though no names had been drawn and they knew which competition would be played while none of the other house guests, except Ragan who was helping them to develop a strategy for the hold/fold comp, had a clue. They were all just sitting around talking while Brenda and Rachel went room to room counting things.
Also, if you were paying attention, Ragan was discussing all types of games that have been played in the past. He has a vast knowledge of the previous seasons and was guessing which competitions may show up at this point in the game.
As for Brendon and Rachel counting things, I'm not sure what the hell you're talking about. I'll ask this again since you never answered my question before. How does counting objects in the house have anything to do with guessing the number of objects in a jar?
07-26-10 | 11:18 PM
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Because the competition that Brenda and Rachel were "studying" for, what she told Ragan, was the hold/fold competition. They were counting objects in the rooms because the producers would take something and say "how many something's make up this item? Kinda like a jar filled with jelly beans where you have to guess the number, the players would have to write down how many items made up the object, then they would have to hold and accept the number they wrote, or fold and play the next round. The night before Rachel and Brenda knew this was the game they would play, and they came up with the strategy, I believe with Ragan's help, of alternating holding and folding. Does this explain in enough detail for you why counting the objects around the house has anything to do with counting objects in a jar?
07-26-10 | 11:28 PM
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As for them suing, probably can't happen do to the terms of their contracts. Otherwise Chima would have had a huge case against them if they could sue CBS. All she would have to do is show that CBS knew the fight was fake and yet they continued to portray her as a racist when they cut the live shows. I have heard many of them talk about getting on the show through a casting agency, so it isn't like these are all people off the road hired to let them invade privacy. For the most part they all seem to either be aspiring actors/entertainment positions or somehow be affiliated with the entertainment industry. Jeff last year talked about how he was a small time model and I know most of the players have mentioned agents in the past. Hell, Rachel figured out that her and Kristen were both scheduled for the same bikini shoot in Hawaii in January but Rachel cancelled last minute. I am sure that the money to these folks is secondary to the screen time for them to put on their resume.
As for the casting agency thing, that's not special to Big Brother. It happens for Survivor and countless other reality game shows. Are those also rigged?
07-26-10 | 11:30 PM
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No, it does not. One has nothing to do with the other. Counting the objects in the room would not help them in any way during the competition you just described.
Oh and BTW, Brendon and Rachel were counting household objects before that conversation with Ragan about the hold/fold competition that you linked to above. Maybe they have a time machine in the shitter.
Oh and BTW, Brendon and Rachel were counting household objects before that conversation with Ragan about the hold/fold competition that you linked to above. Maybe they have a time machine in the shitter.
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07-26-10 | 11:46 PM
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What? Where is the info on this fake fight thing. I followed the show in all forms last season and haven't seen anything stating such. But I did see countless nights of Chima calling Russ a terrorist and that he should be flying a plane into a building. That was fake? Where is this?
As for the casting agency thing, that's not special to Big Brother. It happens for Survivor and countless other reality game shows. Are those also rigged?
As for the casting agency thing, that's not special to Big Brother. It happens for Survivor and countless other reality game shows. Are those also rigged?
Faking the fight
07-26-10 | 11:56 PM
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No, it does not. One has nothing to do with the other. Counting the objects in the room would not help them in any way during the competition you just described.
Oh and BTW, Brendon and Rachel were counting household objects before that conversation with Ragan about the hold/fold competition that you linked to above. Maybe they have a time machine in the shitter.
Oh and BTW, Brendon and Rachel were counting household objects before that conversation with Ragan about the hold/fold competition that you linked to above. Maybe they have a time machine in the shitter.
07-27-10 | 12:03 AM
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Post 99 in this very thread. I posted the link to the video showing Russ and Chima planning the fight in advance. They discuss every aspect of the fight, even the water throwing, and laugh and joke about it. The video was from the live feeds on monday I believe, then the fight was on wednesday. Here is another link so you don't have to scroll back all the way.
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Faking the fight
(Not to mention they also joke they should tell the DR, so how would that be planted by the DR?)
07-27-10 | 12:30 AM
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OK....I'm calling bullshit on that theory if that's out there. I remember that clearly. Shit all went to hell with Russell and Chima's relationship in the following 24-48 hours and it had nothing to do with a manufactured fight. If it was in fact staged, to what end? Where are the vids of them afterwards discussing the rousing success/failure of their fake fight? They fucking hated each other from that point on.
(Not to mention they also joke they should tell the DR, so how would that be planted by the DR?)
(Not to mention they also joke they should tell the DR, so how would that be planted by the DR?)
I could probably agree with you that it was just a coincident that they planned a fight and then actually had a falling out and got into a fight, except for the water throwing. That one fact remains, they planned a fight and she said she would throw water in his face, then they get in a fight exactly when they planned to according to the video, and she threw water in his face.
To what end you asked??? I would imagine it was to get more tv time since they specifically planned the fight, what they would do and when they would do it. Then they did it exactly as planned. At the beginning of the video Russ asks her if she can sell it because "I can act, can you" and I must say they sold it well. Because of that fight they became the center of the show for awhile and that got them a lot of tv time. Why do you think Chima had all those blowups afterwards? Just because of a bad attitude? No, she was getting attention and tv time every time she threw a fit thanks to the big fight. The only thing that really rivaled the fight for drama the whole season was America's Choice.
Anyway, if you wanna believe they really fought after watching them plan the exact fight they had at the time they planned then go right ahead.
07-27-10 | 01:03 AM
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You think they threw that fight and then didn't speak to each other again in order to get air time and then kept it up till the end of the season? You may want to apply for the show.
07-27-10 | 01:08 AM
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I think you're viewing 2 minutes of footage out of 48 complete hours and it's completely out of context. It allows you to make the connection you want to make. Obviously if she thought about throwing water in a fake fight it would probably occur to her to do it in a real one. She was a complete racist psycho from there on out in regards to Russell. There was no acting there whatsoever.
You think they threw that fight and then didn't speak to each other again in order to get air time and then kept it up till the end of the season? You may want to apply for the show.
You think they threw that fight and then didn't speak to each other again in order to get air time and then kept it up till the end of the season? You may want to apply for the show.
I guess Rachel asking Brenda how everyone will react to their fight and then them getting into a fight didn't happen either right. lol.
07-27-10 | 01:09 AM
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe this is the Big Brother 12 thread, not Big Brother 11, and at this point what Chima and Russell did or didn't do is completely irrelevant.
Back to this season, there's a whole lot of talk about how the majority of the house is now in favor of evicting Andrew. The brigade seems to be undecided, it looks to me like Matt completely wasted this week by giving into "revenge", at least Brendan and Rachel can move on and play the game. I used to be a fan of Matt, now, not so much.
Back to this season, there's a whole lot of talk about how the majority of the house is now in favor of evicting Andrew. The brigade seems to be undecided, it looks to me like Matt completely wasted this week by giving into "revenge", at least Brendan and Rachel can move on and play the game. I used to be a fan of Matt, now, not so much.
07-27-10 | 01:21 AM
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Sheesh, guys, y'all have way more posting experience than I do and I'd think you'd know better, but can I just say for the sake of both BB threads...
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At the risk of committing this very transgression one last time: observe how Chima/Russell planning a fake fight somehow proves producer interference. How one piece of evidence that the season is rigged for Brendon is that the HOH comp was rigged against him. How, in the other thread, lying in bed with kissing noises is not making out. This is the "logic" you are up against. What do you think you can say that will change it? Just give it a rest and let him stop watching in peace.
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At the risk of committing this very transgression one last time: observe how Chima/Russell planning a fake fight somehow proves producer interference. How one piece of evidence that the season is rigged for Brendon is that the HOH comp was rigged against him. How, in the other thread, lying in bed with kissing noises is not making out. This is the "logic" you are up against. What do you think you can say that will change it? Just give it a rest and let him stop watching in peace.
07-27-10 | 01:24 AM
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The only thing I'm hoping for with Matt is for his lie to come out. I would love to see Ragan (his best friend) and Kathy's (cancer survivor) reaction. Too bad they don't do a reunion show.
07-27-10 | 01:33 AM
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At the risk of committing this very transgression one last time: observe how Chima/Russell planning a fake fight somehow proves producer interference. How one piece of evidence that the season is rigged for Brendon is that the HOH comp was rigged against him. How, in the other thread, lying in bed with kissing noises is not making out. This is the "logic" you are up against. What do you think you can say that will change it? Just give it a rest and let him stop watching in peace.
Unfortunately it was my one issue that was digging into me as it really bugged me from last season so I totally was ready to have the discussion. Sorry for derailing the thread. I'll stop trying to bring reasoning and context to the table. 
As for the current shows, I'm all caught up on the network eps, but need to skim a bit through BBAD yet. Initial impression is Matt totally pussied out by not wanting to be the one to get the blood on his hands with the Brendan/Rachel move and had the perfect excuse to back out of it with Kathy. Ultra lame.
I hated Rachel day 1 and probably went too far tonight wishing brain cancer upon her. (Of course my wife responded that she's pretty sure she already has it, so, I guess I'm the nicer one.) I'm pretty sure she thinks she's in 11th grade summer school. I LOVE both Annie and Monet's reactions to her talking about "her man" because they essentially say "IS THIS BITCH FUCKING SERIOUS? THIS IS A GAME SHOW FOR $500K!" with a 1 second roll of the eyes.
Brittney is unbelievably catty, but honestly she's been pretty dead on in her targets that I've seen thus far. She could certainly get some stuff slung back at her, but that doesn't make the shit she's saying any less valid.
I really can't find anybody to like as of yet. They all kind of suck.
07-27-10 | 02:07 AM
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It's funny, it took Monet getting tossed to make Britney realize that sitting around badmouthing the other players all day wasn't really the greatest strategy. She's been very social and friendly since then even with Rachel, yet still pretty funny at times. And I'm sure the Rachel zingers will still come out in the diary room.