Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
05-12-10 | 06:58 PM
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Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
I honestly do not get how people can defend this episode. I mean there 3.5 hours of this episode left and like many people said either:
- for every answer there was 3 or 4 new questions
- the answers provided were lazy (lol @ donkey wheel and "the light")
I want to see a clear connection to Season 1, besides the Adam and Eve skeletons. Simply:
- Walt. A lot of time and energy was focused on how important Walt was but we have not heard a thing about him in years. Are the writers hoping we all forgot?
- Others stealing Kids. Yeah they cannot have kids but we have learned in later seasons that the others are not as zombified\crazy as first thought
- The Season 1 "list". So some of our heros were on this list but not everyone. What is the deal and how does this tie to the candidates.
As you can see, there are so many loose ends between there first half of the series and the last half, I just want there to me some sort of linear story. Instead, I think the writers want us to forget all of that ever happened except when they make a weak attempt to tie the worls together (i.e. adam and eve).
Forget how they are going to make everyone happy or answer the 100+ questions still outstanding, but how how are they going to tell a story that ties the beginning, middle and ending together?
- for every answer there was 3 or 4 new questions
- the answers provided were lazy (lol @ donkey wheel and "the light")
I want to see a clear connection to Season 1, besides the Adam and Eve skeletons. Simply:
- Walt. A lot of time and energy was focused on how important Walt was but we have not heard a thing about him in years. Are the writers hoping we all forgot?
- Others stealing Kids. Yeah they cannot have kids but we have learned in later seasons that the others are not as zombified\crazy as first thought
- The Season 1 "list". So some of our heros were on this list but not everyone. What is the deal and how does this tie to the candidates.
As you can see, there are so many loose ends between there first half of the series and the last half, I just want there to me some sort of linear story. Instead, I think the writers want us to forget all of that ever happened except when they make a weak attempt to tie the worls together (i.e. adam and eve).
Forget how they are going to make everyone happy or answer the 100+ questions still outstanding, but how how are they going to tell a story that ties the beginning, middle and ending together?
The biggest problem I have with the others is we'll never know why there were two groups; the hippies at the temple, and the domesticated ones who appropriated Dharmaville. As for stealing kids, they were probably trying to protect them. They couldn't take adults because they would have a harder time adapting to the situation.
The show shifted gears once it was decided during season three that they would end it after season 6. A lot of stuff was jettisoned and some characters were ditched for problems outside the show. The writer's strike shortened season 4, and threatened the entire production. I doubt this is how the show would have ended if it had proceeded exactly as planned in the beginning, but the last three seasons are reasonably cohesive, and at least we're getting an actual ending, unlike V or Flashforward.
05-12-10 | 07:03 PM
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Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
You know posting 39 times in 10 pages doesn't make this post suck any less, I laugh at the people trying to defend this episode.
05-12-10 | 07:09 PM
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Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
In this interview - there aren't any spoilers, they mostly discuss last night's episode and the reaction.
Exclusive interview: 'Lost' producers Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse talk 'Across the Sea'
Exclusive interview: 'Lost' producers Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse talk 'Across the Sea'
05-12-10 | 07:20 PM
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05-12-10 | 07:40 PM
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Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
The Walt storyline is dead. We've known this for a long time. They explained by having Locke visit him when he was back on the mainland. He told Walt he didn't have to go back, or something like that. Michael's dead and Walt is free of the island's influence. He's no more relevant that Bernard and Rose.
The biggest problem I have with the others is we'll never know why there were two groups; the hippies at the temple, and the domesticated ones who appropriated Dharmaville. As for stealing kids, they were probably trying to protect them. They couldn't take adults because they would have a harder time adapting to the situation.
The show shifted gears once it was decided during season three that they would end it after season 6. A lot of stuff was jettisoned and some characters were ditched for problems outside the show. The writer's strike shortened season 4, and threatened the entire production. I doubt this is how the show would have ended if it had proceeded exactly as planned in the beginning, but the last three seasons are reasonably cohesive, and at least we're getting an actual ending, unlike V or Flashforward.
The biggest problem I have with the others is we'll never know why there were two groups; the hippies at the temple, and the domesticated ones who appropriated Dharmaville. As for stealing kids, they were probably trying to protect them. They couldn't take adults because they would have a harder time adapting to the situation.
The show shifted gears once it was decided during season three that they would end it after season 6. A lot of stuff was jettisoned and some characters were ditched for problems outside the show. The writer's strike shortened season 4, and threatened the entire production. I doubt this is how the show would have ended if it had proceeded exactly as planned in the beginning, but the last three seasons are reasonably cohesive, and at least we're getting an actual ending, unlike V or Flashforward.
They do owe us these things. That's the deal we made making them rich men for their work here. It sickens me that they might not give us what will be satisfying. My expectations aren't terribly high -- now that I am able to separate the terrible acting, forced writing, and terrible production values away from the core message of last night's episode, I'm not quite as incensed. I want them to give us answers, but I'm actually pretty accepting of the answers as long as they're consistent. For instance, it would be cheating to say Fmother was a smokey and could be killed by MIB because they had not talked in 5 minutes when that was clearly not the rule presented earlier in the season.
05-12-10 | 07:44 PM
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Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
Wow, I'm pretty surprised at the hatred for this episode. I actually enjoyed it. Feel free to laugh. I don't understand how people get so angry about the need for concrete answers. It's not even the last episode folks. It's just a backstory to Jacob and MiB. I don't see anything wrong with leaving some room for speculation (about what exactly the light is and where it came from, who the mother is and where she came from, etc).
05-12-10 | 07:44 PM
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05-12-10 | 07:45 PM
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Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
It really, really pisses me off they aren't going to address the outrigger shooting. CLEARLY they had something specific in mind. It's not like this was a small little Season 2 question...
05-12-10 | 07:49 PM
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Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
Wow, I'm pretty surprised at the hatred for this episode. I actually enjoyed it. Feel free to laugh. I don't understand how people get so angry about the need for concrete answers. It's not even the last episode folks. It's just a backstory to Jacob and MiB. I don't see anything wrong with leaving some room for speculation (about what exactly the light is and where it came from, who the mother is and where she came from, etc).
05-12-10 | 07:59 PM
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Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
CC: I think for us to explain why we're not giving him a name veers too far into the territory of explaining things that we don't feel the need to explain.
That's just a douche statement right there. Maybe the reason I still like the show is because I don't read interviews with these pompous assholes.
05-12-10 | 08:01 PM
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Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
Tarantino teasing us with no name for The Bride in Kill Bill Vol. 1 worked because he's a fucking master compared to these hacks and because he actually paid it off quite well. That sort of douchebaggery you uncovered makes me want to go find these men and strand them on an island so the world can be safe from their expanding egos.
05-12-10 | 08:12 PM
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05-12-10 | 08:13 PM
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Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
Exactly Jimmy James, the utter contempt in that interview is amazing. Hell they don't even know why people watched their own show lol.
And sorry I never had theories for them to rain on or be upset they were wrong. I just watched. And I know enough to get they're clueless and have had no real idea where they were going. They care about the characters not the actual Island, the island means nothing to them because they're bad writers, clearly can be seen now. They were plot devices to further their half ass character stories. What and how meant nothing to them, yet that is why people were watching lol, CLASSIC.
But I'll say least it wasn't like Soprano's where they made you wait nearly 2 yrs for new seasons and when they did come were only what 12 episodes long. Two overrated shows that imploded, move along, nothing to see here.
And sorry I never had theories for them to rain on or be upset they were wrong. I just watched. And I know enough to get they're clueless and have had no real idea where they were going. They care about the characters not the actual Island, the island means nothing to them because they're bad writers, clearly can be seen now. They were plot devices to further their half ass character stories. What and how meant nothing to them, yet that is why people were watching lol, CLASSIC.
But I'll say least it wasn't like Soprano's where they made you wait nearly 2 yrs for new seasons and when they did come were only what 12 episodes long. Two overrated shows that imploded, move along, nothing to see here.
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05-12-10 | 08:14 PM
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Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
Easily What Kate Does. As for the rest... some of the episodes this season have definitely felt middle of the road. But overall, I've enjoyed the hell out of this season. I'd give last night's episode a B-. It was really well done in some regards, and awful in others. The big issue is obviously that way too much is going to be left unexplained when this all ends, but I started to prepare myself for that after watching LA X. That's when I finally realized the direction the show would be taking for it's final year. I know most didn't get that vibe from that episode, but I've lowered my expectations since. However, that doesn't mean I don't expect them to deliver some amazing answers in the series finale. I also fully hope and expect for Lost's final episode to be one of the best in the entire series. I haven't given up faith, and I'm a bit sad to see so many people simply tossing this show aside like it's garbage now.
05-12-10 | 08:21 PM
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Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
May I remind everyone that the show is not over yet. Why did everything have to be explained in this episode? I'll be honest - I was a little disappointed in this episode because I wanted more. Which is a good thing. Wait 3.5 more hours before you all start your bitching.
There's a reason why Jacob/MIB have been seen on the island as kids. The answers are coming.
There's a reason why Jacob/MIB have been seen on the island as kids. The answers are coming.
05-12-10 | 08:26 PM
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Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
Did it make him immortal or ageless? Probably just ageless, which would explain why Ben was able to kill him. What's the difference? Ageless means he can't die of old age but can still be killed. Jacob's fake mom was probably ageless too (not immortal), which would explain why MIB was able to kill her. It might also explain why she thanked him for killing her: she was probably ready to give up her job as protector.
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05-12-10 | 08:37 PM
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05-12-10 | 08:41 PM
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Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
I don't know why people were disappointed by the yellow light in the cave. I'm not sure what people were expecting. We've seen similar bright light before coming from the island.
05-12-10 | 08:41 PM
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Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
I'm going to disagree that that they finished the Walt storyline with Locke stating "the boy has been through enough."
Chronologically, the last scene Walt would have been in is when his grandmother takes him to the hospital to ask Hurley where his father is. That would be a pretty crappy way of ending a story of a young boy who lost just about everyone and everything in his life one at a time.
Chronologically, the last scene Walt would have been in is when his grandmother takes him to the hospital to ask Hurley where his father is. That would be a pretty crappy way of ending a story of a young boy who lost just about everyone and everything in his life one at a time.
05-12-10 | 09:01 PM
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Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
This seems to be the only place where the posters are not sucking this episode's cock. Everywhere else I have went it seems like the majority are raving about how great this episode is. Hell, I really love this series but I also know when to say that something just doesn't live up to expectations.
05-12-10 | 09:22 PM
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Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
So today I work I had a long talk with my co-worker about season 6. He gave up the show after season 5 (looking back now, I don't blame him).
Anyways, after I finished explaining what has happened so far this season, he told me if a stranger heard you talking like this, they would call the looney bin to book a room for me.
Looking back through this thread, hearing some of the discussions about the show and it's plot makes me agree with him
Anyways, after I finished explaining what has happened so far this season, he told me if a stranger heard you talking like this, they would call the looney bin to book a room for me.
Looking back through this thread, hearing some of the discussions about the show and it's plot makes me agree with him
05-12-10 | 09:36 PM
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Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
So today I work I had a long talk with my co-worker about season 6. He gave up the show after season 5 (looking back now, I don't blame him).
Anyways, after I finished explaining what has happened so far this season, he told me if a stranger heard you talking like this, they would call the looney bin to book a room for me.
Looking back through this thread, hearing some of the discussions about the show and it's plot makes me agree with him
Anyways, after I finished explaining what has happened so far this season, he told me if a stranger heard you talking like this, they would call the looney bin to book a room for me.
Looking back through this thread, hearing some of the discussions about the show and it's plot makes me agree with him
