Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
05-12-10 | 02:20 PM
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Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
And I know many who don't remember it. I guess they are all "retarded."
05-12-10 | 02:21 PM
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05-12-10 | 02:22 PM
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Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
And are we sure (not sure I even watched the episode) that when Jack saw A&E's skeletons, he didn't say they were the bones of a 50 year old, not that they were bones decomposing for 50 years? Just a question. Only thing that would make the 50 year decomposition make sense would be the death of the mother and brother and the transfer of their corpses via time travel...
05-12-10 | 02:33 PM
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Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
This was posted before, really good link, basically I agree with the writer:
You want answers? You think you're entitled? Well here are a bunch of them, all packed into a one-hour "Lost" flashback extravaganza that taught us the following:
* Jacob and Smokey are twin brothers, born to a woman who was then murdered by the island's unnamed guardian so she would be able to rear two potential successors, then choose between them.
* Smokey is determined to get off the island because he spent a childhood being lied to by his "mother" about the rest of the world, and has been spending centuries trying to prove her wrong.
* The island is home to a glowing body of water that is basically The Force (making all of Darlton's pre-season talk of midi-chlorians make much more sense).
* The "rules" between Jacob and Smokey date back to Mother tapping into the island's powers to ensure neither could ultimately kill the other. (And if these are the same rules that govern the Ben/Widmore war, then are we meant to think Ben is more of a candidate than anyone's been led to believe?)
* The crazy mother Smokey referred to earlier this season wasn't John Locke's schizophrenic mom, but the obsessive, homicidal, superhuman woman who raised him so many centuries ago.
* The donkey wheel - which taps into the power behind the golden spring - was constructed by Smokey as one of his many futile attempts to get off the island (and was not, for that matter, his first attempt to build such a thing).
* The Man in Black was turned into a smoke monster when Jacob, distraught over his brother committing matricide, threw him into the golden spring, which Mother had warned him was "much worse" than dying.
* The Adam & Eve corpses Jack and Kate found back in season one are the original remains of Man in Black and Mother, left lying in their old cave home by Jacob, along with a black and white piece from the game of senet that the brothers loved to play together. (And making the skeletons less Adam & Eve than Cain & Eve.)
And I am sorry for insinuating that people who you know are retarded.
BUT, it was a very significant part of season 1, AND it was recently talked about this season, so I am going to just push the "submit reply" button, before I change my mind about apologizing........
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05-12-10 | 03:10 PM
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Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
Wow. There are some major elitist feelings floating around this thread. So sorry that the writers "insulted" all of you.
05-12-10 | 03:19 PM
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Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
Something that doesn't make sense - why does Smokey want to get off the island? That was a desire that MIB had...but Smokey killed MIB. So why does Smokey want out?
05-12-10 | 03:27 PM
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05-12-10 | 03:30 PM
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Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
I thought the episode was ok, but it didn't have what makes Lost great. I like the ones where you really feel like you learn about the characters, like the one where you find out Locke is in a wheelchair or the Richard one from last month or the Desmond episodes. Lost doesn't do answers well, I guess.
05-12-10 | 03:36 PM
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Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
Did you just want to know where it came from?I'm trying to hold back as much as possible till it's over as some stuff setup here could still payoff in the next 3 hours of show, but I'm doubtful.
05-12-10 | 03:36 PM
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Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
If they didn't explain that damn wheel at some point I was going to lose my shit. That's all I demanded and they gave it to me; now they can wrap it up.
I thought the episode was ok, but it didn't have what makes Lost great. I like the ones where you really feel like you learn about the characters, like the one where you find out Locke is in a wheelchair or the Richard one from last month or the Desmond episodes. Lost doesn't do answers well, I guess.
I thought the episode was ok, but it didn't have what makes Lost great. I like the ones where you really feel like you learn about the characters, like the one where you find out Locke is in a wheelchair or the Richard one from last month or the Desmond episodes. Lost doesn't do answers well, I guess.
05-12-10 | 03:38 PM
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Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
Would it have been better if they had thrown in some Star Trek technobabble with a dose of midichlorians for good measure? We already know what the wheel does and the power it uses to do so.
05-12-10 | 03:47 PM
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Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
Either they wanted us to watch the entire run of the series or not. They should be safe in the assumption that people who cared about the show would know who Adam and Eve are without slapping it in our face. It is almost like showing a first grader a crayon and then explaining to them what it is.
05-12-10 | 03:48 PM
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Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
I don't think that's the point. I'm not a Lostophile, and I don't take notes. Hell, I usually have to run here to see what I missed after every ep. It just felt like the flashback ran contrary to the entire tone of storytelling that the show has kept up. It just felt forced in a way that hasn't really happened before.
05-12-10 | 03:50 PM
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Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
Something a little more profound would have been better than what they gave us. It would have been better than, "I'm going to take this wheel and put it where the light shines and give it a spin because I want out of here." Is it the island's Wheel of Fortune?
05-12-10 | 03:56 PM
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05-12-10 | 03:56 PM
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Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
One thing I'm trying to make sense of is if we now know the wine in the bottle has magical properties (and it would seem the wine is pretty rare), why then did Jacob give the wine to MiB and say "You're going to need it?"
05-12-10 | 03:57 PM
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05-12-10 | 03:58 PM
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Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
Either they wanted us to watch the entire run of the series or not. They should be safe in the assumption that people who cared about the show would know who Adam and Eve are without slapping it in our face. It is almost like showing a first grader a crayon and then explaining to them what it is.
I haven't seen this kind of bashing since the last time I visited a Heroes thread.
05-12-10 | 03:59 PM
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Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
They probably had hopeful ideas of what it could capably do, but more than likely they would not achieve what they hoped to do with it.
Learning what they were trying to build would probably be a waste of time for the viewer since we kind of know what it actually does...... and they were just experimenting with it, just like Dharma was.
I assume that what the men wanted to do with it, was different than what MIB wanted, and eventually did with it. So we found out that the donkey wheel was eventually created because of the curiosity of man.
05-12-10 | 04:00 PM
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05-12-10 | 04:01 PM
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Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
So is the light the forbidden fruit that unleashes the serpent (smoke)?
05-12-10 | 04:02 PM
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05-12-10 | 04:02 PM
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Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
I thought the episode was ok, but it didn't have what makes Lost great. I like the ones where you really feel like you learn about the characters, like the one where you find out Locke is in a wheelchair or the Richard one from last month or the Desmond episodes. Lost doesn't do answers well, I guess.
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* The Man in Black was turned into a smoke monster when Jacob, distraught over his brother committing matricide, threw him into the golden spring, which Mother had warned him was "much worse" than dying.