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Old 05-12-10 | 08:51 AM
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Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10

Originally Posted by chanster
Yea, I was waiting for this kind of episode, to make everybody's panties bunch up. The answer to Smokey was never going to be really satisying and was always going to be some magic thing...pure and simple. How can a man be a smoke monster? Seriously. Is it any more credible if the writers had say it was Osiris , the ancient Egyptian god? Just because the mythology does not appear to be routed in some previous explanation - people get mad - because they can't do wikipedia research and find the answer.

This is like the Battlestar Galactica Starbuck syndrome - either you go with the flow of the unexplained or you get stuck hating it.

Personally, I kinda of liked the episode. It was refreshing to step back from the main characters for a bit. Seeing Season 1 Kate in HD (I didn't have HD until Season Two) was nice as well.
IMO it would've been better if they went the Egyptian root.

I'd rather have seen the mythology tied to something real than that contrived crap from last night. It would have saved us from that terrible writing. The island has a 100 foot Egyptian statue on it. We'll just kinda pretend it doesn't exist though right?

These last two episodes better be something really good.
Old 05-12-10 | 09:06 AM
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Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10

Even Jimmy Kimmel is kinda of goofing on this episode:

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Old 05-12-10 | 09:08 AM
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Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10

Pretty good interview with Darlton:

http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment...n_lindelo.html
Old 05-12-10 | 09:19 AM
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Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10

Originally Posted by Cardiff Giant11

So I guess Smokey isn't really the actual "man" in black but some sort of force that takes his form (like it later does with Locke).
No he definitely is. If he wasn't, he would have simply killed Jacob and not gone through some long drawn out process where Ben has to because of the "rules".
Old 05-12-10 | 09:19 AM
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I enjoyed it. Did you people all turn into Comic Book Guy or something? You'll be pissed if they don't explain everything, then when they do explain something you get all offended and act like they're insulting your intelligence...
Old 05-12-10 | 09:20 AM
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Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10

Originally Posted by calhoun07
To all the haters: this entire SHOW has been about characters with daddy/parent issues. All along, every character. Name a Lostie or one of the main characters on the show and you can match them up with some kind of daddy/parent issue. Any one of them.

The fact that Jacob/MIB stems from a similar parent issue does not shock me in the least. I knew it was going to come down to this...
So? It was badly executed. Any episode that was written and directed like this would get a similar reaction.
Old 05-12-10 | 09:26 AM
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Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10

The answer to LOST is now obvious!



"A Wizard Did it!"
Old 05-12-10 | 09:27 AM
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Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10

Originally Posted by Deftones
The more I think about this episode, the more I am glad I watched shows like The Shield and The Wire. In their last seasons, they tied up all the loose ends in a fantastic way so that fans could get some closure. Makes this shit that Lost is feeding us a complete and utter ridiculous mess.
Lost is making me feel better about the last season of The Sopranos.
Old 05-12-10 | 09:28 AM
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Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10

Originally Posted by Anubis2005X
I enjoyed it. Did you people all turn into Comic Book Guy or something? You'll be pissed if they don't explain everything, then when they do explain something you get all offended and act like they're insulting your intelligence...
My beef is they never offer satisfying resolutions. Like Why doesn't Richard age? Jacob gave him the ability. So how did Jacob get the ablity? His mother gave him the ability. How did she get the ability then? Why did his mother die?

It's always one step forward and 10 steps backwards with Lost.

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Old 05-12-10 | 09:33 AM
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Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10

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My beef is they never offer satisfying resolutions. Like Why doesn't Richard age? Jacob gave him the ability. So how did Jacob get the ablity His mother gave him the ability. How did she get the ability then? Why did his mother die?

It's always one step forward and 10 steps backwards with Lost.
They can't keep going further and further back. "Our" story has to start someplace and that's with Mother. If they show us how she got there they would need to show us how that person before her got there as well. Mother died because she was done with her job, she found her replacements so she wasn't needed. I think it's that simple but we all want to make it more complicated then that.
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Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10

Originally Posted by outcastja
Pretty good interview with Darlton:

http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment...n_lindelo.html
Wow, looks like I was wrong. They didn't start thinking up the mythos of the Island until season freaking 3?? I can't tell if Darlton is saying that they made the stuff up as they went along or there was a plan in place. The guy is so cryptic in his answers.


I still have a hard time accepting that the finale is going to blow and disappoint. ABC has too much riding on this, and dvd sales alone will plummet if the endgame stinks. I know I'll be selling my collection immediately if this happens.
Old 05-12-10 | 09:35 AM
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Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10

Originally Posted by Timber
They can't keep going further and further back. "Our" story has to start someplace and that's with Mother. If they show us how she got there they would need to show us how that person before her got there as well. Mother died because she was done with her job, she found her replacements so she wasn't needed. I think it's that simple but we all want to make it more complicated then that.
No. A simple "I licked a magic toad and woke up with magic powers" would be more satisfactory than "I could answer your question but you will have 10 more questions."
Old 05-12-10 | 09:39 AM
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Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10

Originally Posted by Michael Corvin
No. A simple "I licked a magic toad and woke up with magic powers" would be more satisfactory than "I could answer your question but you will have 10 more questions."
You'd have preferred "hard start" to our story with a Midichlorians explanation? Same problem that Lucas had, if you get into who Anakin's father is you have to explain him as well. Both Lucas and this failed at giving us a beginning but I guess I'm more satisfied with this method.
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Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10

Totally makes me think of Star Wars too. What the heck is this mystical force business? Don't really know, but it's pretty nifty!

Lucas's explanation in Episode 1 made me shudder. Sometimes keeping the mysticism/mystery is a good thing. Midi-chlorians my arse...
Old 05-12-10 | 09:47 AM
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Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10

Originally Posted by Timber
You'd have preferred "hard start" to our story with a Midichlorians explanation? Same problem that Lucas had, if you get into who Anakin's father is you have to explain him as well. Both Lucas and this failed at giving us a beginning but I guess I'm more satisfied with this method.
Maybe not something so definitive but definitely better than "fuck you we aren't going to touch it with a 10-foot pole."
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Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10

It's not a mystical force, it's the electromagnetic energy

for whatever reason they are showing it as a yellow glowing light, we first saw it when Ben turned the donkey wheel
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Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10

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Maybe not something so definitive but definitely better than "fuck you we aren't going to touch it with a 10-foot pole."
The Triforce was in the cave, giving off a golden light. Once MIB touched it, he became Ganon, gaining some crazy powers. There ya go...
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Didn't they also speak of pockets of energy around the world early on in the series, specifically when they had a Rose flashback and she traveled to australia?
Old 05-12-10 | 10:23 AM
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Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10

Originally Posted by RocShemp
Well then you guys just saved me $3. Shame since I was hoping it'd be good.
You actually pay to download episodes? Hulu is free...
Old 05-12-10 | 10:25 AM
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Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10

Originally Posted by wendersfan
I really didn't think it was that bad.
Yeah, I actually thought it was pretty interesting and it started tying everything together.
Old 05-12-10 | 10:34 AM
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Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10

Originally Posted by redrum
It's not a mystical force, it's the electromagnetic energy

for whatever reason they are showing it as a yellow glowing light, we first saw it when Ben turned the donkey wheel
You wouldn't call something that's "life, death, and rebirth...worse than dying if you see it" a "mystical force"? We did see the smoke monster come out of there. I'd call that a "mystical force".
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Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10

I honestly couldn't give two shits about questions being answered or unanswered. I could live the rest of my life and still not care who Adam & Eve were, where the donkey wheel came from, and why Jacob is immortal.

As long as the show is entertaining and has got me hooked into the story, that's what matters. This episode failed to do that for me and that's why I didn't like it.
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Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10

Originally Posted by Meglos
I honestly couldn't give two shits about questions being answered or unanswered. I could live the rest of my life and still not care who Adam & Eve were, where the donkey wheel came from, and why Jacob is immortal.

As long as the show is entertaining and has got me hooked into the story, that's what matters. This episode failed to do that for me and that's why I didn't like it.


There's no grand "answer" they could come up with that would satisfy everyone. I got hooked on the show because it's good drama with great performances and technical production. The fun for me has always been in exploring the mystery, not solving it.
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Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10

blech.
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Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10

Originally Posted by Meglos
I honestly couldn't give two shits about questions being answered or unanswered. I could live the rest of my life and still not care who Adam & Eve were, where the donkey wheel came from, and why Jacob is immortal.

As long as the show is entertaining and has got me hooked into the story, that's what matters. This episode failed to do that for me and that's why I didn't like it.
I agree. I'd be more satisfied with mysteries left unsolved than getting half-assed fanfic-level "answers" like we got last night.

By trying to demystify some of the most intriguing, complex issues on the show, they've left us with silly bullshit that completely obliterates any of the dramatic street cred they've built over six seasons.

I'd rather the Emperor be wearing NO underwear than finding out he wears the stupidest fucking underwear imaginable.


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