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Old 04-06-10 | 10:04 PM
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Re: Lost -- "Happily Ever After" -- 04.06.10

Desmond's episodes are always MONEY.
Old 04-06-10 | 10:05 PM
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Re: Lost -- "Happily Ever After" -- 04.06.10

It seems like the show is representing The Man in Black as the Sideways Timeline with Widmore fighting to preserve the current timeline.

MiB promising Sayid a world with Nadia again and Claire getting Aaron back would both be promises kept in the sideways timeline.

Widmore, on the other hand, warned Desmond and Jin that they would lose their wife and child, which we've seen to be true in that same sideways timeline.

In general, the sideways timelines have appeared happier for the castaways, but if Jacob is telling the truth about MiB, the end may not be as sunny as it seems. Not to mention, Jin/Sun's sideways reality is already in peril and Desmond was definitely more content in the current timeline.

I'm not sure how the candidates factor into this theory and it likely will be completely wrong, but it is fun to speculate nonetheless.
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Re: Lost -- "Happily Ever After" -- 04.06.10

hands down the best episode this season. top three of the entire series. desmond is LOST. seeing him, faraday, and charlie is breath of fresh air. this is what made this show special in the first place. can't wait until desmond gets the rest of the crew together.
Old 04-06-10 | 10:08 PM
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Re: Lost -- "Happily Ever After" -- 04.06.10

Originally Posted by DthRdrX
Yea, it's hard to explain. When we saw Desmond in 'LA X' he was on the plane talking with Jack. We also saw him with a few ladies, one or more stewardess, I think.

In this episode we see Desmond from the OT zapped into the ALT, but he did not show up on the plane. He is shown at the bag claim near Claire. He was alive and well in the ALT timeline prior to OT Desmond's mind getting there.

At the end, he touches Penny and falls down, waking back up in the OT knowing about this ALT universe. However, Desmond is then shown in two realities at the same time. In the OT he goes with Sayid, and in the ALT he goes on a mission to find the 815 losties.

Two Desmonds, both seemingly know what they are supposed to do.
seems right. both desmond's know the truth.
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Originally Posted by StephenX
I don't agree with you. Desmond knows damn well he is special. He knew Charlie was going to die, and was able to postpone it a number of time. So no, you are wrong about that, Desmond is well aware of what the implosion of the Hatch did to him (or that at least did SOMETHING to him).

I will, however, concede this: I need to watch it again, but I am also leaning towards the side that Desmonds consciousness in the OT switched with the AR Desmond. Notice how willing Desmond was to listen to Widmore in the OT at the end, and how the AR Desmond knew EXACTLY what to do. Maybe this was Widmore's sacrifice? Giving up your consciousness and switching realities. That, or Widmore told Desmond to go with Sayid. Idk.
How can one person switch consciousness with themselves? That's right, because they are the same person living two completely different lives.

Desmond didn't care about being 'special'. Just because he saw flashes didnt make Desmond view himself as special. If you recall, Charlie directly asked him on the beach in S3 how he knew future events. Desmond clearly stated to Charlie that he was in fact a coward!

Finally, if Desmond thought he was special he wouldn't have stated "They're just using you brother" and "I'm through with the island". He also wouldnt have been kicking and screaming to be let go when he was put in that box.
Old 04-06-10 | 10:09 PM
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Re: Lost -- "Happily Ever After" -- 04.06.10

Funny how 'See you in another life, brotha' from season 2 kinda has a whole new perspective now, in a way.
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Re: Lost -- "Happily Ever After" -- 04.06.10

Originally Posted by tr0n
It seems like the show is representing The Man in Black as the Sideways Timeline with Widmore fighting to preserve the current timeline.

MiB promising Sayid a world with Nadia again and Claire getting Aaron back would both be promises kept in the sideways timeline.

Widmore, on the other hand, warned Desmond and Jin that they would lose their wife and child, which we've seen to be true in that same sideways timeline.

In general, the sideways timelines have appeared happier for the castaways, but if Jacob is telling the truth about MiB, the end may not be as sunny as it seems. Not to mention, Jin/Sun's sideways reality is already in peril and Desmond was definitely more content in the current timeline.

I'm not sure how the candidates factor into this theory and it likely will be completely wrong, but it is fun to speculate nonetheless.
I'm damn confused on what Widmore's intention is with Desmond.

He's obviously against the MiB in the OT, but ALT Widmore and Hawking HAVE THEIR ENTIRE FAMILY alive and well. Hawking goes out of her way in the ALT to prevent Desmond from meeting Penny, similiar to how she tried to stop him from marrying her in FBYE.
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Re: Lost -- "Happily Ever After" -- 04.06.10

Originally Posted by tr0n
It seems like the show is representing The Man in Black as the Sideways Timeline with Widmore fighting to preserve the current timeline.

MiB promising Sayid a world with Nadia again and Claire getting Aaron back would both be promises kept in the sideways timeline.

Widmore, on the other hand, warned Desmond and Jin that they would lose their wife and child, which we've seen to be true in that same sideways timeline.

In general, the sideways timelines have appeared happier for the castaways, but if Jacob is telling the truth about MiB, the end may not be as sunny as it seems. Not to mention, Jin/Sun's sideways reality is already in peril and Desmond was definitely more content in the current timeline.

I'm not sure how the candidates factor into this theory and it likely will be completely wrong, but it is fun to speculate nonetheless.
You may be onto something. I never thought of that, but everything the MIB promised is occuring/preserved in the alternate timeline. Hence, why Widmore is desperate to send Desmond into the Alt to make everyone aware that it can't happen: if the Alt happens, MiB wins. However, if the MiB has won, but Desmond can reverse it, this would give reason for Widmore to go to all this trouble to stop him.

I'm in the boat that is hopeful that the real John Locke can be brought into the OR. After all, he is supposed to protect the island, and the MiB, from what we have seen, wants it destroyed. Hopefully Desmond can find him. If so, this throws a ton of wrenches into the MiB's plan.
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Re: Lost -- "Happily Ever After" -- 04.06.10

Wonder if the the losties will instantly become aware of what's going on when Desmond interacts with them (is he everyone's "constant").
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Re: Lost -- "Happily Ever After" -- 04.06.10

Originally Posted by DthRdrX

1) How can one person switch consciousness with themselves? That's right, because they are the same person living two completely different lives.

2) Desmond didn't care about being 'special'. Just because he saw flashes didnt make Desmond view himself as special. If you recall, Charlie directly asked him on the beach in S3 how he knew future events. Desmond clearly stated to Charlie that he was in fact a coward!

3) Finally, if Desmond thought he was special he wouldn't have stated "They're just using you brother" and "I'm through with the island". He also wouldnt have been kicking and screaming to be let go when he was put in that box.
1)Correct. Same person, not two.

2)I didn't say he cared. I said he knew. Seeing the future, meeting your wife in a different timeline to tell her to call you on the phone, all signs you are special. Whether you like it or not. Watch past S3 and you'll see Desmond becomes more aware of this.

3)Desmond is done for two reasons 1)Penny 2)Charlie. His wife, his son. He is happy. He simply doesn't care. And he was kicking and screaming because the last guy was cooked to a crisp and was now dead. So, that point is moot.

I'm not trying to argue. This show is all about theories.

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Old 04-06-10 | 10:29 PM
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Re: Lost -- "Happily Ever After" -- 04.06.10

Okay, if the alternate reality is not real, then what happens to the people that are dead (ie charlie, daniel, etc). Do they even matter at this point? Would they know they are dead in the island timeline if they can sense something is off?

I can't believe its almost over. It seems like this could go on forever.
Old 04-06-10 | 10:33 PM
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Re: Lost -- "Happily Ever After" -- 04.06.10

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Okay, if the alternate reality is not real, then what happens to the people that are dead (ie charlie, daniel, etc). Do they even matter at this point? Would they know they are dead in the island timeline if they can sense something is off?
It was mentioned already, but I just keep thinking what happens when Locke becomes aware? Can he become aware, how the hell does he even exist in the flash-sideways anyway? Will he know that MiB has inhabited his "real" body? Can he destroy him from the inside ala Neo in The Matrix? And what did MiB do that allowed him to take over Locke's body? Too many questions, but the idea of an awakening certainly leaves more room to consider real Locke's reappearance than previously thought.
Old 04-06-10 | 10:35 PM
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Re: Lost -- "Happily Ever After" -- 04.06.10

Originally Posted by jwb0323
Okay, if the alternate reality is not real, then what happens to the people that are dead (ie charlie, daniel, etc). Do they even matter at this point? Would they know they are dead in the island timeline if they can sense something is off?

I can't believe its almost over. It seems like this could go on forever.
Charlie and Daniel are dead, and both of them put Desmond on the correct path of finding out the ALT is a sham. Remember when Charlie told Hurley, "I am dead, but I'm also here." Something tells me that dead people seem to be more in tune with what is going on. Not completely, but enough to figure things out.
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Re: Lost -- "Happily Ever After" -- 04.06.10

Originally Posted by StephenX
Hence, why Widmore is desperate to send Desmond into the Alt to make everyone aware that it can't happen: if the Alt happens, MiB wins. However, if the MiB has won, but Desmond can reverse it, this would give reason for Widmore to go to all this trouble to stop him.
I don't think Widmore intentionally sent Desmond to the other timeline. I didn't even get the impression that he was aware of it.

I think the ability that he thinks Desmond has is the ability to withstand those electromagnetic energy bursts. Widmore must feel that those energy bursts are key to defeating the man in black.

The timeline jumping is just a fortunate side effect.
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Re: Lost -- "Happily Ever After" -- 04.06.10

Originally Posted by BravesMG
It was mentioned already, but I just keep thinking what happens when Locke becomes aware? Can he become aware, how the hell does he even exist in the flash-sideways anyway? Will he know that MiB has inhabited his "real" body? Can he destroy him from the inside ala Neo in The Matrix? And what did MiB do that allowed him to take over Locke's body? Too many questions, but the idea of an awakening certainly leaves more room to consider real Locke's reappearance than previously thought.
So far, most of the dead characters have popped up in the ALT. Some seem to have a clue what is going on, some don't. (Boone/Keamy/Omar ... )

I keep wondering if this is all going to tie into Locke being able to walk again in S1 (ALT Body + OT Mind). I really agree with StephenX with regards to Locke. They wouldn't give the man ANOTHER centric this season (The Substitute)if they didn't have a plan for him.
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Re: Lost -- "Happily Ever After" -- 04.06.10

Originally Posted by BlackCapTen
Wonder if the the losties will instantly become aware of what's going on when Desmond interacts with them (is he everyone's "constant").
I'm curious about how this might work as well.
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Re: Lost -- "Happily Ever After" -- 04.06.10

I don't think Charles Widmore hates or even dislikes Desmond. He was an asshole to him because he knew that Desmond couldn't hook up with Penny because he had to end up on the island in the hatch. He was doing that for the sole purpose of pushing Desmond toward his destiny.

I wonder who in the alt-timeline knows what, and how much they know. Eloise and Desmond seem to know quite a bit, Widmore seems clueless though that may be feigned.

There was a scene in the Jin/Sun episode where Sun looked in the mirror and seemed to see something... wondering if that might be her having a flash of memory like Jack did a couple of times.

I wonder if everyone won't end up getting killed in the prime timeline, only to "wake up" in the alt-timeline. Charlie and Daniel seem more "aware" of their other lives than people like Jack, Sayid, Sun, etc. Also, remember what Juliet was said before she died, like she was slipping into the alt-reality.
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Re: Lost -- "Happily Ever After" -- 04.06.10

Dead people provide guidance in both worlds.
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I will no longer dis the 'flash sideways.'
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Re: Lost -- "Happily Ever After" -- 04.06.10

I wonder if the Losties will get a choice at the end of which timeline they want to live. Also, how far back do we have to go to where the event changed their lives in the ALT? Because obviously it wasn't just never getting on that plane. I assume it was before any of them ever met Jacob?
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Re: Lost -- "Happily Ever After" -- 04.06.10

Did anyone mention that Desmond and Charlie sank in the same marina that Ben tried to kill Desmond?

I also remember noticing another painting in Widmore's office, a scale with two rocks on it.
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Re: Lost -- "Happily Ever After" -- 04.06.10

Posted this a few weeks back also.

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Re: Lost -- "Happily Ever After" -- 04.06.10

A boat illusion?

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Re: Lost -- "Happily Ever After" -- 04.06.10

How ummm....did he open a car door under water?
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Re: Lost -- "Happily Ever After" -- 04.06.10

Originally Posted by DthRdrX
I keep wondering if this is all going to tie into Locke being able to walk again in S1 (ALT Body + OT Mind). I really agree with StephenX with regards to Locke. They wouldn't give the man ANOTHER centric this season (The Substitute)if they didn't have a plan for him.
That makes absolutley perfect sense now. Season one I didn't think was all that amazing, but if that were true, that would blow my fucking mind.


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