Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
 

Did any of you guys actually watch the Conan joke? Or do you actually watch Conan? I caught it on my DVR today.

It was a 20 second bit. Conan finished the joke by staring into the camera and giving the audience a few seconds to applaud.

He fits in a few 'snarky' edgy jokes every night. It could have just as well ended in a quick jab at Russia's anti-gay laws. Or fat people.

Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
 

All I care about in this conversation is the analysis of what the jokes mean, the semiotics of humor.

Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
 

Well the way your posts read make it seem like you have some issue with the fact that Conan might be a bit bitter or upset. I was just trying to unerstand why you have some beef with that when he has a pretty legitmate reason to be somewhat bitter. :shrug:

Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
 

Actually, I think Conan was quite reserved (as others have noted, this was a rare instance of his commenting about Leno in 2014) about expressing the bitterness he is entitled to feel. I just don't think Dave was making the same kind of joke.

People may not remember this, but when it was announced that Jay Leno was going to keep doing an NBC talk show after Conan took over The Tonight Show, comedians predicted that Jay was just waiting to take Tonight back. Norm MacDonald talked about it to Conan on Late Night.

Unless Jimmy Fallon actually physically dies soon, I don't think anyone seriously believes that there is a chance in hell of Leno coming back again to host The Tonight Show.

Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
 

No. I'm not saying that it would be a valid defense.

I'm just saying that for someone who went out of his way to brag about not caring about contracts or making a lot of money, he certainly seemed to care a lot about enforcing contracts and making lots of money.

Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
 

Congratulations! You are the first person to ever observe that Jay Leno is a liar and a hypocrite.

Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
 

Letterman finally gets to be the No. 1 late night talk show now that Leno is out of the way. Good for him.

I wouldn't be totally shocked if Fallon fell to No. 3 behind Letterman & Kimmel in the 11:35 time slot.

Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
 

Well, Fallon will certainly start at #1 and everyone will say how great he is and how smart NBC was. I'm not putting any weight into his ratings until about 3 months in. Heck, even Arsenio's new show had great ratings the first couple of weeks - now his ratings are horrible.

Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
 

Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
 

I hope he does Ian Rubbish. I might actually watch The Tonight Show if he does.

Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
 

Fallon will do better than Kimmel since Kimmel is horrible.

I don't think the Leno faithful will flock to Letterman and they might just tune out completely.

Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
 

But then you wouldn't see it :hscratch:

Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
 

Conan needs to get deported.

Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
 

Jack Parr needed to be sodomized by bears.

I should have posted this on Feb. 21 for added relevance.

Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
 

Bah. Kimmel and Conan are the best.

Kimmel seems to have become sociable friends with all of A-list Hollywood.

Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
 

I find Conan barely watchable these days. He still has the nice, easygoing personality that works in interviews, but the staff writing jokes for him has greatly declined in quality over the years since his prime on NBC. You can tell the staff writing jokes has gotten much younger. He also seems to have gotten more blatantly liberal, I guess in an attempt to capture some of Jon Stewart's audience.

I really thought he was the true heir at one time to Johnny Carson but I think the situation at NBC permanently damaged him.

Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
 

I think Fallon has potential and is what is needed for modern late night. Leno's time had passed a while back, and I think Letterman's schtick is getting old. Don't get me wrong, he too was great and IMO did more to revolutionize late night than Carson, but the time for people like him is passing.

Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
 

I like to think his material has gotten more liberal minded, because Conan is a liberal kind of guy. I don't think it's an attempt to attract, trick or persuade the audience.

The smaller budget and less stress on appealing to everyone has allowed him to be who he wants.

Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
 

I wonder if The Roots are changing the theme from "Here I Come" to something else

Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
 

Fallon's first two jokes were about Leno not going away. What a jaded bastard!

Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
 

Is Wiki Bear the new Triumph?

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Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
 

Speaking of which, I was just thinking about this the other night with SNL - where the hell is Robert Smigel? The guy's literally fallen off the face of the planet.

Once upon a time he had skits and characters wildly popular with the public consciousness. I still miss TV Funhouse on SNL.

Conan could do far worse than to hire the crap out of Smigel to save his brand/show. Like others were saying, the TBS skits/monologue are almost unwatchable.

But for somebody who had such success in so many different things with so many different concepts, it's illogical that Smigel by and large doesn't exist anymore in Hollywood/mainstream entertainment.

Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
 

:lol: awesome, thanks for posting

Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
 

That was pretty good, WikiBear seems like something fun that they could keep around.

Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
 

Hopefully he signals the end of Punxsutawney Dr. Phil.