Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
 

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Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
 

And Letterman also got more ratings as a result of his sex scandal. In October 2009, mind you, right when Letterman's ratings spiked big time. Yes, I note a gradual increase in Letterman's ratings after the Leno show premiered in September but it wasn't until the sex scandal that Letterman overtook Conan. Then they were neck and neck. Up until then Conan was holding his own against Letterman.

But I know, Jay Leno is the only reason on the entire planet that Conan lost the Tonight Show. Nevermind the bone headed decisions of the network execs, never mind that Conan resigned from the show on his own free will. Jay Leno is the most evil man in the universe.

Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
 

Any way you slice it though, by your own admission, that graph does disprove your statement:
Before the Jay Leno Show premiered, Conan was beating Letterman, which counts as "strong," and really the most one could expect from a new host.

Remember, nobody was complaining about Conan's ratings - not the network, not the affiliates - until The Jay Leno show had already gone down in flames.

The execs are more to blame than Leno, since they approved The Jay Leno Show, and opted to move Jay back to 11:35pm, and decided to let Conan go. However, none of this would've happened if Leno had either:

A) Kept his promise to retire.
B) Never made that promise to begin with (if he truly never intended to).

Conan didn't "resign" though. He gave NBC an ultimatum: Keep the Tonight Show at 11:35pm (as per his contract), or let him go. It was NBC that made the decision for Conan to leave, he didn't "resign."

Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
 

Conan's ratings dropped off quite a bit after his premier episode compared to what Leno pulled in before. Sure, he was winning against Letterman up until the "perfect storm" of the Leno show and the sex scandal sent millions of viewers to NBC. But he was trailing in the ratings game even up to that point compared to Leno. I wasn't referring to any chart when I made that statement so it disproves NOTHING.

It's not a statement against Conan...I hope he does well on Fox or wherever he lands on his feet...but he simply didn't get the numbers NBC wanted for that show. Again, I go back to the NBC execs and their decision making process...it seemed too quick and knee jerk to pull the plug on all of this just 8 months in...and I really do think the bulk of the criticism needs to land on their laps.

Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
 

Conan didn't have to reach Leno figures to be considered "strong" ratings though. Being #1 in a timeslot is considered "strong."

You were stating an apparent "fact," that his ratings weren't "strong" before the Jay Leno Show premiered. The graph disproves your statement.

Again, nobody at NBC was complaining about Conan's numbers until the Jay Leno Show tanked, and suddenly they had a host with a $104 million contract without a show. NBC had to make a choice between the two hosts, and they kept the one that'd be more expensive to let go. It had very little to do with Conan's ratings.

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Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
 

Will he have a nightly show? Fox broadcasts its news an hour before the other networks, then backfills with syndicated shows... Whoa, wait, I just went to go see what those syndicated shows are here and I see that they actually have 1.5 hours of news now. So I guess that means we'll be seeing Conan compete directly with Leno and Letterman at 11:30ish?

Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
 

You mean compared to the ratings Leno was getting with 17-years to establish himself and find his audience? There's a reasonable comparison. :sarcasm:

Just admit it: your statement was incorrect. Conan's ratings were plenty strong before the Jay Leno show started. No matter what may have impacted them after that (the Jay Leno show as a poor lead-in, Letterman's scandal, etc), nothing changes the fact that his ratings were strong up to that point in time. No one expected Conan's ratings to immediately match the ratings Leno was getting after such a long tenure. To do so would not have been merely "strong" ratings - they would have been unbelievable.

Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
 

I don't see Conan going into any timeslot that isn't 11:30 or earlier... that's the whole reason he left NBC!

Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
 

I read last week that the FOX affiliates have already been contacted and told to clear the 11 pm hour in the fall.

Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
 

This is what I was expecting before I saw the 11pm (ET) news. I guess they just get rid of that.

Getting the jump on the others would be nice for his monologue, but by 11:35-11:40, the headlining guest has already been there for a while. There's going to be a dip in the back-end of Conan's show if they go with a traditional format.

Any chance they'll change it up and have the big name come out last? For argument's sake, let's say they are strict with the timing of the first 40 minutes so there's no risk of "bumping" <s>Matt Damon</s> Tom Hanks.

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yay for conan being on fox! :banana:

Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
 

I just looked at our local FOX station here in Austin and the 10pm hour (11pm for you coasters) is already free. All they have playing there are re-runs of The Simpsons and Family Guy.

Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
 

no, that's not free. that's the reason why Fox informed affiliates. most of them run reruns like Office, The Seinfeld, Simpsons, FG, etc. at that time and make a shit ton of money doing it. many were and still are hesitant to give up that source of revenue.

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IIRC they kept to keep a large % of the ad money there so I'm guessing in order to get them to agree to teh deal fox will let them keep a greater % of the money during the time that remains

Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
 

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Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
 

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think staying on at 10pm to do a show not that much different than the one you claimed to be leaving, was, in fact, impeding Conan from doing his job.

I know that pov has been brought up before, but Leno's just full of shit and he didn't let the Kimmel thing roll off either. He keeps referring to how badly he was treated and by that he can only be talking about NBC's decision to ask him to step down from a show that was number 1 and had been for some time in the first place.

Why no one seems to call him on the fact that he had years to go back and say, "You're treating me wrong and I'm not going to give up the show, you're going to have to fire me or I'm taking my brand elsewhere" is beyond me. He has no one to blame but himself.

I really can't stand anything about him. It's painful when he has a guest on and I must watch. What a terrible interviewer he is, worse than Kimmel. I think Ferguson has become the best, Letterman is second, then Kimmel and Leno would be last. Conan get an "I" for now, as I don't really know how he'll change over the first important couple of years when he gets back on the air.


What's clear is that I don't think you can do late night humor the same way you can do late late night humor, which seems to be one of the reason's people complain about Letterman not being as good (which I think is true but overblown and the man is getting old, I don't think Conan will have masturbating animals when he's a 60 year old man).

If you could potentially get good ratings doing what Ferguson does an hour earlier, I would hope CBS would give him Dave's job after he retires. But I don't think it would and I don't CBS thinks it would, which is why Jon Stewart is probably the leader of the pack as of now. It even makes sense that in about 3 years, Stewart will probably think he's done all he can do at TDS (if he hasn't already).

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Awesome. "You don't impede somebody elses opportunity." What a fucking **** of a liar assbag he is. He did exactly that by having that fucking escape clause in his contract AND by agreeing to take back the Tonight Show.

Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
 

I guess there's talk of turning his tour into a documentary. Awesome.

http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-1...tour-into-film

Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
 

The tour was sold out in my neck of the woods, Minneapolis, within like a day. Looks like I won't be going.

Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
 

That's too bad man. I was able to grab a pair off of eBay for the Minneapolis show (spent a little more than I wanted but it should be worth it) so I'm really looking forward to seeing this!

Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
 

I've seen tickets on eBay and Craigslist and they're just too expensive for me. It's okay, I hope they do the documentary that I've heard buzz about.

Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
 

You can rest assured there will be some kind of home video release of this tour. Conan is far, far too greedy to let that money slip through his fingers.

Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
 

yeah, because he's doing this for the money. :rolleyes:

Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
 

Then why are the tickets so expensive?