Wow, not sure how the actual point went straight over your head. But it did.

I'll concede the point. At times, it did suck. There were also times when it approached greatness.

I don't see any possibility of greatness in Dollhouse, and that's why I'm personally disappointed that it's coming back intead of Terminator. It's probably unfair to Dollhouse that it's getting saddled with this, but I'll be honest and say that that was the first I thought of when I heard Terminator was officially cancelled.

Assuming this isn't sarcasm... the Networks try to actually make some money. Thus it's not simply about ratings (which translates to Ad dollars), it's about cost per rating point (effectively). If you have a show which brings in double the Ad revenue, but cost 3X to produce, you are better off financially with the cheaper show and the lower ratings. See the NBC decision to put Jay Leno on at 10... they are assuming lower ratings, but substantially lower production costs.

So even if TSCC had better ratings than Dollhouse, it comes down to does the additional Ad revenue from the higher ratings offset the higher production costs? If the answer is yes, then you keep the more expensive show, if not you are better off with the cheaper show.

Obviously, there are non-financial impacts considered in the renewal decisions, but the cost part is pretty simple. Considering these shows are languishing on Fridays and the ratings upside is probably not huge for either show, the cost of the show probably was a significant factor (in addition to whatever internal politics, projections, opinions from the network executives' kids, etc)

This is why no shows should EVER end on cliffhanger, also another reason I am suppose to wait until a DVD released to make sure it has a complete story.

Cancel a show based on a hot film coming out on the weekend? Geniuses.

It had three other "hot films" come out before it. That didn't help its ratings. Plus, the show wouldn't be back on the air until several months after the new Terminator film had come and gone from theaters. It really wouldn't have done anything for the show.

ok since it's cancelled,

do you all think they will push up the s2 DVD/Blu ray release date

no point in waiting till september when there is not another season coming where they will normally drop it right before the new season starts

Wow, a lot of people complaining about the show going out with a cliffhanger. I think it works as both a season and a series finale. These people probably hated the Angel series finale as well.

I'm the first one to complain when a season ends with a cliffhanger. Season one ended with one. The first half of season two also did. I don't think the series finale was cliffhanger. Sure, the show can continue but it brought Connor to his first encounter with the resistance. We can then assume that from this point he rises to become the leader and the rest is history that we know from the films. We can also assume that Sarah died of cancer as they brought this up repeatedly towards the end. It doesn't tie into the 3rd and likely the 4th movie but it doesn't have to. This was always a tangent project that branched off of T2 and I think this is a successful conclusion in that regard. I'd like the show to continue but I'm just grateful that I have another 20+ hours of Terminator action to compliment the movies.

Yes, but the rest of the country may not have been ready for a show about cougar incest.


Sorry to see SCC cancelled. Although we liked both it & Dollhouse, we felt that both were expendable. Having said that, they were a bright spot on Friday nights (well, FNL was okay, too). Just glad to see something besides crime procedurals or reality shows even if the shows are far from perfect (felt the same about Jericho).

I don't get the argument that Fox is dumb for canceling the series the week before Salvation comes out. First of all, the season was already over, so it's not like that would have helped this season's ratings. Second, does anyone really think that what looks like a Terminator video game is going to spark such a revitalized interest in the franchise that those feelings will last until the fall? I mean honestly, people. Plus, TSCC had the two seasons to work their shit out that Dollhouse is getting (except DH might never make it past mid-season), so it's not unfair that DH got renewed. Then again, the two are totally unrelated, so I don't know why people keep bringing it up that Joss Whedon is the reason TSCC got canceled.

Sarah Connor's Story Is Really Over, Producer Tells io9
http://io9.com/5271481/sarah-connors...ucer-tells-io9

Do the studios have any concern for the paradox they've created?

Someone must have cared enough about the Terminator storyline to create TSCC in order to overwrite the cataclysmic monstrosity that was T3. To say nothing of the fact that Lena Headey, Thomas Dekker, Summer Glau and Brian Austin Green gave outstanding performances. How exactly are subsequent Terminator films to be made with the canon story completely trashed?

(SPOILER ALERT) The series was "terminated" at the end of the second season when John Connor jumps forward past Judgment Day. That means that in the future, John is not the leader of the Human Resistance and mankind is screwed.

Think about it, How can Christian Bale's role as John Connor in TS be canon if he isn't the leader of the Resistance. If TS is canon story, then TSCC isn't, which makes T3 canon by default.

Think of it as alternate universes, like the Multi-Verse in DC Comics. Then it works.

It's a sci-fi series. The beauty of serialized sci-fi, to me at least, is that you can do all of these "multiple pathways" with different mediums and not necessarily destroy the foundation. The canon for Terminator is easy:


Terminator --> Terminator 2 --> Either (T3 -> Terminator: Salvation) or (Terminator: Sarah Conner)

Honestly: nobody cares about "continuity" or "canon" but Internet nerds. And FWIW just treat the show like it was in some alternate universe from the first two movies, and you're good to go.

Did Salvation do anything to acknowledge the events of T3?

I thought the only condition for a Terminator story being canon was that Arnold was in it.

No, it's James Cameron as director.

But I'll treat T:SCC like Timothy Zahn's Star Wars novels -- good enough to be canon.

Only character that came from T3 is Kate Brewster - the character appears in Salvation. I haven't watched Sarah Connor Chronicles last season, I don't know if Kate Brewster ever appear in Sarah Connor Chronicles...

Off the top of my head...the inclusion of Kate Brewster. And the fact that Judgment Day happened.

To me, T:SCC is canon, and T3 and Salvation never happened.
The only thing I didn't like about the TV series was the ending but it doesn't really count since the producer tried to wrap up too many things in one episode. You can tell that had the series had better ratings, the different plots would have progressed much naturally, ie the 3 dots mystery.

T:SCC actually felt like it was continuing the story from T2 whereas T3 had way too much comedy and Salvation felt more like Transformers.

I don't remember Rise of the Machines having any more comedy than Terminator 2...which, let's face it, has some uncomfortable moments of "hip" slang.

T:TSCC was pretty good but I just looked at it as a show that borrowed elements from them first two films. T1 and T2 are all that matter.

T2 did have alot of comedy moments typical of action movies from that era.

T3, IMO however, set the tone of the movie with Arnold talking to the hand and putting on some Elton John shades. The comedy in T3 seemed more constant than in the previous film. At one point it almost broke the fourth wall with John asking," you don't remember, Hasta la vista baby??"

I thought it introduced some interesting elements to the franchise like