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Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
Originally Posted by GenPion
(Post 9349694)
Secondly, I bet Ben lives as a kid. He will grow up having known various Losties and will find out that they are from the future and will patiently wait for them to end up on the island. He knew them all along, and when he found out about them being from Oceanic Flight 815 he will live knowing what passengers were on the plane when it originally crashed on the island. That is also why he was so quick to have a plan in the scene at the beginning of Season 3 -- because he was expecting a plane to someday crash. All this time he has kept quiet about knowing that these "Past" events have already played out.
I guess it also helps to explain why adult Ben gives Sayid a lot of torment. :lol: "You shot me when I was a kid! Well, you haven't yet, but you will, in your future...which is my past." |
Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
Greatest. Twist. Ever.
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Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
Originally Posted by GenPion
(Post 9349694)
First off: My head exploded. My heart raced. This show is INSANE! In a good way of course.
This episode was amazing and the ending was one of the best and strongest of the entire series. Great episode. Secondly, I bet Ben lives as a kid. He will grow up having known various Losties and will find out that they are from the future and will patiently wait for them to end up on the island. He knew them all along, and when he found out about them being from Oceanic Flight 815 he will live knowing what passengers were on the plane when it originally crashed on the island. That is also why he was so quick to have a plan in the scene at the beginning of Season 3 -- because he was expecting a plane to someday crash. All this time he has kept quiet about knowing that these "Past" events have already played out. I can't wait to see next's week's episode! The rest of this season should be amazing! |
Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
Originally Posted by tr0n
(Post 9349722)
The question I have is how can Season 2 Ben know about what happens in 1977 with the O6 when Desmond didn't know about meeting Farraday until we saw their encounter?
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Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
Careful blaming the Dharma purge on Ben.
In S4's 'Cabin Fever', Hurley asked Ben if he was the one that killed the Dharma members in the pit. Ben remarked that he wasn't always their leader. Now, Ben has a rich history of lying, but Widmore might have led the purge before getting booted off the island by Ben/Richard. |
Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
Originally Posted by cracksky
(Post 9349729)
Because it was a memory from 1977. He remembered the meeting. Ben can't be dead because he didn't die and he's still alive in 2008.
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Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
In any event, I just want to point out that one whole day as the leader of all the losties and Sawyer lets the entire universe possibly crumble.
Good job James! |
Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
Originally Posted by DthRdrX
(Post 9349733)
Careful blaming the Dharma purge on Ben.
In S4's 'Cabin Fever', Hurley asked Ben if he was the one that killed the Dharma members in the pit. Ben remarked that he wasn't always their leader. Now, Ben has a rich history of lying, but Widmore might have led the purge before getting booted off the island by Ben/Richard. |
Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
I think that "The Purge" and "The Incident" are two different things.
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Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
Great episode...one thing bothering me.
Ben said about his dad: I hated him...implying that he's dead...which doesn't fit with what we've seen before. I think we can safely assume that the Losties aren't part of the original timeline and that they are disrupting it...based not just on this but on other incongruencies as well. |
Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
One thing worth mentioning is that several people noticed in last week's episode that the Barracks that Sun visited did not look like the Others had been living there. There were an Orientation sign dangling and the Dharma pictures were still on the walls. Also, the numbers were still being transmitted during the plane crash. Technically, Rousseau's message should have been there instead.
It's very likely the time line that Sun is in, is the one where Ben died. There may be more than one time line existing on the island. |
Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
Originally Posted by cracksky
(Post 9349752)
The purge was said to have taken place in '92, well after Widmore would have been exiled from the island in the mid-'80's. Still, I said before that I think Ben was only responsible for his father's death during the purge since, by the time he walked back down to the barracks from the van, everyone else was already dead from other canisters of gas tossed around.
Then again, I guess there was a truce while Widmore led the Others .... The problem with Sayid killing young Ben is that if Ben doesn't turn the FDW, or influence Sayid to kll Widmore's people, Sayid has no reason to go back in time and kill Ben in the first place. My opinion is that Sayid just did more harm than good. This could probably push Ben to become as dangerous as he is. He certainly isn't going to die as that wouldn't make any sense. |
Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
Originally Posted by Palaver
(Post 9349771)
One thing worth mentioning is that several people noticed in last week's episode that the Barracks that Sun visited did not look like the Others had been living there. There were an Orientation sign dangling and the Dharma pictures were still on the walls. Also, the numbers were still being transmitted during the plane crash. Technically, Rousseau's message should have been there instead.
It's very likely the time line that Sun is in, is the one where Ben died. There may be more than one time line existing on the island. |
Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
I don't believe there are different timelines. I still think the scene where Faraday explained that nothing in the past can be changed was put there to give a foundation for everything to come.
If the 815 crew do alter past events in any way, they are events that have always been. If they caused the Incident, it was always that way and we just are discovering that. Likewise, Ben isn't dead then either, or is miraculously healed by the island ala Locke. It may have no interest in healing Ben in today's world, but back then, he is killed as an innocent, which the island seems to prevent. I also don't believe the series will end with the 815 crew never meeting and their lives going on as normal. That's too expected of an ending for the LOST writers to succumb to, IMO. |
Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
Originally Posted by DthRdrX
(Post 9349733)
Careful blaming the Dharma purge on Ben.
In S4's 'Cabin Fever', Hurley asked Ben if he was the one that killed the Dharma members in the pit. Ben remarked that he wasn't always their leader. Now, Ben has a rich history of lying, but Widmore might have led the purge before getting booted off the island by Ben/Richard. |
Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
What if instead the plane crashed into the ocean and they all died -- including Frank, as their original pilot... Wouldn't that be an even more controversial ending? That could be the "planted" plane that we've seen since towards the end of season 3.
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Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
Originally Posted by GenPion
(Post 9349789)
What if instead the plane crashed into the ocean and they all died -- including Frank, as their original pilot... Wouldn't that be an even more controversial ending? That could be the "planted" plane that we've seen since towards the end of season 3.
But you're getting me back into that line of thinking...perhaps Faraday was crying when he saw the footage on TV because he realized it was the result of some time paradox, a paradox he's been investigating for the better part of his life. |
Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
I'm going to guess that Richard is going to find wounded Ben. Ben somehow ends up surviving the gunshot wound, which will lead Richard and his group to believe he should be their leader. Maybe by shooting Ben, Sayid set all the later events in motion.
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Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
Originally Posted by dvdhook
(Post 9349796)
I'm going to guess that Richard is going to find wounded Ben. Ben somehow ends up surviving the gunshot wound, which will lead Richard and his group to believe he should be their leader. Maybe by shooting Ben, Sayid set all the later events in motion.
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Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
great ending tonight! though I don't think Sayid is responsible for anything, since you can't change the past... damn it, where's Faraday when we need him?
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Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
Your right. You can't change the past. "Whatever Happened, Happened." ;)
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Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
Originally Posted by GenPion
(Post 9349805)
Your right. You can't change the past. "Whatever Happened, Happened." ;)
I love Lost! |
Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
Originally Posted by tr0n
(Post 9349742)
Yes, but if it holds true to the Desmond/Farraday conversation, Ben should be remembering his time with the O6 in 1977 in his current time and place. Farraday created a new memory for Desmond in which he met with him during his time in the hatch, but Desmond didn't "remember" this memory until it took place for Farraday.
We've seen many instances of time travel to the past where if the O6 hadn't been there to do something then future events wouldn't have occurred. It seems everything has already happened before. If Locke hadn't had his conversation with Richard in '54 would he have visited him as a child? Would they have buried the bomb? So, if the bomb is already buried before they go back to tell them to bury it then that's the same thing as the memory always being there. That's why Ben could have knowledge of the future. He knew Sayid. As Henry he recognized him no doubt. |
Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
Must... Stop.... Reading compelling thread.....getting a headache!
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Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
I don't think anyone has mentioned that we now know Ben was not injured in the 2007 time from getting Sayid on the plane somehow. That seems to increase the possibility that he was injured killing or trying to kill Desmond and/or Penny.
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