calhoun, what you just said made little to no sense. Basically, Hanzo/wife thetans inhabit Jacob?

I mean "they" as in Adam and Eve.

Symbolism. 1 black & 1 white stone, = Rose and Bernard also 1 black & 1 white.

The most logical suggestion right now as to Adam and Eve is silly? Right now everything points at them being Adam and Eve.

This statement must have been referring to time travel. Even if it's not Rose and Bernard, they certainly are not going to have Adam and Eve be a character that we saw on screen for one second during a Dharma video!

IM going to put this in spoilers, but it is total speculation...

Jacob was the most gifted child on the island. He was able to move small objects with his mind, which is shown in the Orientation film.

It was hoped that if the black rock could store human memory electromagnetically then, perhaps, the reverse could happen and a human mind could absorb this electromagnetic memory from the rock. The intention was always to change Destiny.

Jacob was placed at the epicenter of the island's power in an underground chamber. Powered up, wired up, and observed by a team of scientists including Dr Marvin Candle, Jacob attempted to absorb Destiny from the black rock. Unfortunately, he failed; there was an explosion, referred to later as the "incident".

At that moment, Jacob lost all corporeal form and was merged with the black rock itself. But he survived. His consciousness was embedded in broken fragments of the rock. His consciousness was able to move objects - as he had in human form… but now it meant he could lift himself - in the form of rock fragments and move freely. The naturally-occurring electromagnetic field around the area of the Swan assisted in his mobility and sustained his life.

Jacob was able to move as a black cloud of dust and re-form himself into different shapes. He soon learned that he could also use electromagnetism to conjure up images and sound. And later still, that he could 'read minds' as we saw he did with Eko.

DHARMA had failed in changing Destiny for the better and had actually made things worse by creating a massive anomaly. Alvar was despondent. He and his wife returned to the island to die. They laid themselves down in two alcoves and allowed Jacob to peacefully end them. In Alvar's pocket was a pouch containing two stones - one black and one white - one for him and one for his wife. They thought that if they could, after death, find these two stones and reside in them as separate consciousnesses then they would allow Jacob to absorb them into his form. As long as the black rock existed, they would be immortal. It worked; and Jacob became a 'three-headed' entity, referred to as 'Cerberus' on the blast door map created by Radzinsky. (Cerberus was the three-headed guard dog of Greek mythology).

The idea that Rose and Bernard are Adam and Eve and the black and white rocks were simply put there to identify their skin color is, as I said earlier, silly. You really think that mystery was introduced way back in season one because the writers knew a black man and a white woman who just faded out of the story died there some time in the past during some time jumps?

That may be the craziest theory I've seen on this site yet. Your entire theory is based off characters we know next to nothing about.

I don't think he will suddenly sit up and 'remember' it...

I think he's known all along, and has just kept that card up his sleeve until such a time presented itself that disclosing that info would help him in some way.

In fact Ben has probably jumped all over the place, as have others (like Alpert) and they probably have a lot more information than they are letting on in the 'main' time-line/story-line.

imo, Ben pretty much knows everything, with few exceptions... to the point that - even when he gets beaten up or conked on the head with an oar... he knows it's coming and if he allows it to happen, that just means that it somehow benefits him in the long run.

Ben is running the ultimate long-con.

In fact that was the first time I've felt pretty sure that WAS actually his real name.

I'm not sure about the rest of your theory.. but I agree 100% with this. I see this idea floated so many times over and over, and every time it just makes me cringe. It's such an oversimplified and frankly, rather inane connection to make - especially in light of how careful the writers have been to intricately weave the story together, over time... I might be venturing into delicate territory here, but honestly when people tell me that they 'know' Rose and Bernard are Adam and Eve it kind of makes me think they simply aren't used to seeing many mixed race couples and see that as some sort of really unusual or special thing that stands out - so it must be a 'clue' or a piece of the puzzle. Basically it rubs me the wrong way.

Black and White can symbolize SO many things, and on top of that, the motif of Black and White carries FAR beyond just A&E and the rocks. Just off the top of my head... Locke and Walt playing backgammon... it's totally and utterly irrelevant to the storyline that Locke is white and Walt is black. The symbolism there (to my mind) goes SO much deeper, that to think of only the skin color(s) of one particular couple seems to be silly indeed.

Perhaps you are the one that thinks that way since you brought it up.

I, myself, specifically believe they are the best bet at this point because it makes the most sense story wise given what has happened this season.

I hope to hell none of this is true, because 99% of the viewership will be pissed as shit.

I'd almost rather have a floating island in space.

Okay, when flight 316 was going through turbulence it was dark and in a storm. The plane must have entered the window at the storm front and immediately went to 1977. That's why we can hear the numbers being broadcast over the radio. Sayid, Kate, Hurley & Jack were flashed off the plane. Then, the plane broke through into daylight which was 2008 where Frank crash-landed.

Did anybody listen to this week's podcast?

They shed some light on how Daniel could have seen Charlotte in 1974 when she was born in 1979.

That theory has been floating around the web since 07. I would link to it but apparently you need more than 30 posts. What BS.

Why do you say that? What proof do you have that they're in 2008? Maybe they heard it because they crashed in 2000. Or 1994. Or 2002. Or anytime before Rousseau deactivated the signal. Maybe even before the Others decided to move into the old Dharma cabins. Which may explain why Ben thought they'd be there and they weren't.

The cabins' condition mean nothing.

Just because they're in disrepair does not mean the processing structures were collocated with the houses.

Apparently we have entered the "nutty theory" part of the thread.

goddamn calhoun - nicely put. Where'd you gank that from?

Thanks to Blank for tracking it down here.

Everything mentioned about A. Hanso is incorrect given the timeline information presented during the Lost Experience. This info can be found on Hanso's Lostpedia page.

I keep going back to Sayid and Hurley sitting on the beach during season 1, trying to pick a radio signal up. What they eventually got was a very old signal coming from a radio station that was probably long gone.

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Maybe the radio waves bounce around the island the same way Faraday proved time was distorted with his payload test.

On the same note, I think that the losties that are currently in Dharma time are going to set the food drops up so that they get supplies in 2004.

Why are they in 2008? Because that's when the runway was done and ready. It was started in 2004. The Others went back to the Temple to live having abandoned the barracks. The 815 survivors are stuck in 1977 so there's no one left anywhere else on the two islands except for Christian, Jacob, Claire & Richard (with the Others). All the buildings are overgrown with vines because no one's there. It's 2008 because that's when the left. They were briefly in 1977 while in the window so the O6 could exit.

If they were all there on the plane then my guess is that there never would've been a storm and they would've flashed off as they passed near the island and everyone would be together in 2008. Because the 1977 people would flash as well to 2008. But we would get a lot fewer episodes that way.

Did anyone else watch the Sky One interview with Damon and Carlton? Carlon said, rather seriously, that they are DONE with Libby's story and that there are more important story threads for them to tie up. They also said that when Locke said Walt had been through enough that it was like him answering the question for them as to whether or not Walt would be a regular big player later in the show. They said he wouldn't be a regular again but that they wouldn't answer whether or not we will be seeing him again on the show.

Man this just makes me mad. They better resolve these HUGE aspects of the show! We still don't even understand why the "Others" took Walt at the end of Season One. What a joke. And they have teased the Libby reveal for YEARS NOW!

Yea, they mentioned that about Libby once last year. I hope they are saying they are done with her to throw us off. Not finishing Libby's backstory would make the show incomplete in the end IMO.

We need to find out:

1.) Why she was in the mental hospital with Hurley.
2.) About her marriage to 'David'
3.) The entire story on her running into Desmond and just giving him an expensive boat, something many people think was constructed by Widmore to get Desmond to the island.
4.) Libby is also the only character to not have a reason for being on flight 815.

Well, they said it again in a video done this past week or so. And Carlton said it and sounded like a big meanie. Seriously. Not to point fingers, but... I was upset with the way he addressed those points.

I guess I'm missing something but what is with the whole Adam and Eve thing, ignoring any connection with Bernard and Rose? Is it something that's been mentioned on the show or just some theory that someone came up with?

http://www.petitiononline.com/libby423/petition.html

Sign it if you at ALL want to find out more about Libby and why she was in the mental institution with Hurley and gave Desmond the Boat. We need to know. It seems like an essential puzzle piece. They have promised it repeatedly over the years and need to deliver.

Lostpedia says they're in 2008, as well. However, the signal was deactivated by Rousseau on 23 December 2004. Meaning IT IS POSSIBLE they could have landed in 2004 after the runway was constructed (Given the fact the Others abandoned Hydra Island after the escape of Kate/Sawyer and left Jack there), but before the signal was deactivated.

For sure they're not in the same day they were when they flew in, so there has to be some time-displacement, if even just a few hours. My point is that we don't definitively know they're in 2008. Nothing has said that or, moreover, has even pointed to that. With your reasoning that they just 'stopped by' 1977, they could be in 2012 or 2050...it doesn't HAVE to be 2008, just any point after the runway was constructed.

BLANK sent me the link. Crazy, fucked up shit.

http://www.lostreview.com/2007/05/an...-abcs-lost.cfm

Ridiculously long and....ridiculous.