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Old 02-20-09 | 05:11 PM
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Re: Lost -- "316" -- 2/18/09

Originally Posted by cracksky
According to Hawking, the island has always been moving yet Ben has been to Tunisia more than once and the bear made the trip. It's safe to say that Tunisia will always be the exit point. It makes sense because it's wide open desert and they're not likely to build anything out there to get in the way of the landing.
If Tunisia turns out to be a consistent exit point maybe the island has some connection to the region, like maybe this is where the original land mass that constitutes the island came from. Google Maps shows some big inland seas or lakes there. Could that be from the gap left where the island was back in ancient times.
Old 02-20-09 | 05:17 PM
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Re: Lost -- "316" -- 2/18/09

Originally Posted by Draven
Because she was acting like whatever she did was horrible and seemed to be in a fragile state. I would be concerned enough in that situation to demand to know what she had done to my nephew, and not immediately jumped in the sack with her.
Gotta be honest. Think I would immediately jump in the sack with her...
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Re: Lost -- "316" -- 2/18/09

I believe the reason Kate doesn't want Jack to ask her about what happened to Aaron anymore is because she gave him to Sawyer's daughter's Mom, Cassidy in Albuquerque. Sawyer told Kate he had a daughter before jumping from the helicopter and now she's had three years to track her down. I bet it was quite a surprise when she found Cassidy there whom she had previously bonded with over visiting her own Mother while scamming the Feds. I'm sure she trusts her to keep Aaron safe.

Although, we all know that Aaron must be reunited with Claire.
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Makes you wonder with all this time jumping if it turns out Jack is actually Christian's father.
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Old 02-20-09 | 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by cracksky
Although, we all know that Aaron must be reunited with Claire.
I don't know if that is clear. Malkin told Claire she had to raise the kid prior to the crash, but she just walked away from Aaron when Christian showed up. We also have never found out if Claire is alive anymore or not. Remember Miles made a comment to her last season about it.
Old 02-20-09 | 09:45 PM
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Didnt the writers at one point say Claire wouldn't be back until next season?
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Re: Lost -- "316" -- 2/18/09

Originally Posted by Deadman31
Didnt the writers at one point say Claire wouldn't be back until next season?
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Old 02-20-09 | 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by tcoursen
The whole plane thing was just odd.

They didn't sit next to each other or anything like that. Kate and Jack spent the night together the night before, but then on the plane they were not really talking. Hurley who they are all friends with they were not talking to.

Lapidus sees all them and just keeps on flying the plane instead of just turning it around and saying F this.
Why would they sit together? They all had seat assignments. The stewardess seemed pretty strict; if they ignored their seat numbers and sat wherever they wanted, she'd probably throw a fit, and they probably don't want to call attention to the fact that they're O6 "celebrities."

What's Frank supposed to do? Radio the tower and tell them he has to turn back because he knows his plane's going to crash on a wacky island with polar bears and smoke monsters?
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Originally Posted by DthRdrX
I don't know if that is clear. Malkin told Claire she had to raise the kid prior to the crash, but she just walked away from Aaron when Christian showed up. We also have never found out if Claire is alive anymore or not. Remember Miles made a comment to her last season about it.
Claire was told she and she alone must raise Aaron. The psychic was so frightened by his vision that he bought her a plane ticket on a doomed flight instead of warning everyone on that flight. Aaron was counted as one of the O6 so he should have come back to the island on flight 316. After nearly 4 months, I'm sure Claire has probably forgotten about the prediction if she ever believed it.
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Originally Posted by cracksky
Claire was told she and she alone must raise Aaron. The psychic was so frightened by his vision that he bought her a plane ticket on a doomed flight instead of warning everyone on that flight. Aaron was counted as one of the O6 so he should have come back to the island on flight 316. After nearly 4 months, I'm sure Claire has probably forgotten about the prediction if she ever believed it.
I think this is an important plot-line, and a that Aaron is one of the show's big wild-cards. I don't know how, but something spooky is definitely going to happen with his character. Probably in season six I'd bet.
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Originally Posted by DthRdrX
BTW anyone find it odd that no one even bothered to ask Ben why it looks like he got the crap kicked out of him?
The characters rarely ask anything. I love the show, but that's the biggest hangup of all that I have (everyone has their own).
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Originally Posted by cracksky
Claire was told she and she alone must raise Aaron. The psychic was so frightened by his vision that he bought her a plane ticket on a doomed flight instead of warning everyone on that flight. Aaron was counted as one of the O6 so he should have come back to the island on flight 316. After nearly 4 months, I'm sure Claire has probably forgotten about the prediction if she ever believed it.
You think she 'forgot' about the man and his predictions after stating in one of her flashback episodes that she believed he knew the entire time that the plane would crash and they would be stuck there together?
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Re: Lost -- "316" -- 2/18/09

Originally Posted by pinata242
I think the antipodal explanation worked just fine when it was simply "South Pacific -> Tunisia", but that's just what the internet used to justify it, right? That was never confirmed in the show.
You're right, the antipode theory was never directly confirmed on the show but I think there's something to this theory. I found the following:

Damon Lindelof: Alright, I've got a question for you Carlton. This is from Acejace. As an avid U.K. follower of Lost I would like to thank you for the quality entertainment that you've helped produce over the last four years, I can't wait to see what you've got in store for us over the next few seasons. My question is regarding antipodes, or the regions which lie on opposite sides of the globe. Um, if you put a needle through uh, Tunisia it ends up coming out in the South Pacific; Interestingly enough.

Carlton Cuse: Hmmm...

Damon Lindelof: So, as we know, Ben and possibly a DHARMA polar bear appear to have warped from the island to Tunisia. Unfortunately the bear's Bedouin ambushing skills weren't as up to scratch as Mister Linus's. However; does this mean that the transportation from or to the island via antipodal points on the globe is the Lost teleportation transport some sort of journey through the center of the earth? And if that's the case, could it also be possible that Yemi's light aircraft - this is the yellow drug smugglers' plane featured prominently in seasons one and two -

Carlton Cuse: Right.

Damon Lindelof: ... ended up going through this antipodal wormhole to the island on its way from Nigeria to Europe, via Tunisia? Anyway thanks again and continue the good work with the show, Jason.

Carlton Cuse: Wow. That is an excellent question, and uh, I would say that the antipode part of that theory is very intriguing; however some of the conclusions derived regarding the application of antipode theory might not be exactly correct.

Damon Lindelof: Good answer.

Carlton Cuse: Ok.

Damon Lindelof: Very thorough, and completely vague.
Note that they never dismiss the antipode theory outright, just the way it's interpreted by the questioner.

Also, remember when Hawking was using the pendulum to find the island? She had a computer screen with a number of locations (marked by intersecting lines) on a world map:



What if the island only jumps amongst a fixed number of locations? Those locations being the ones Hawking had on this map.

Also, as the questioner above brings up, they've never explained how a dinky little short-range airplane (the drug plane) flying out of Nigeria ends up on an island in the middle of the South Pacific. Maybe one of these positions is just off the coast of Nigeria (we can't see this on the map). So, could the island have been at this position when the Nigerian plane crashed on the island?

And finally, here's an interesting interview snippet the guys did with EW:

EW: Lost has always walked this balance between being a character-driven survival show that everyone can appreciate and being a sci-fi/fantasy show best appreciated by fans of that genre. This season, you’ve really pushed the sci-fi/fantasy angle. Does this approach come with risk?

CARLTON CUSE: We’re trying to be bold. We realized we were going to shed some viewers by being more overtly [sci-fi] this season perhaps, but that we would reward the viewers who have stuck around for the turn in the show with some really good and interesting storytelling.

DAMON LINDELOF: But the show has gotten to that point now where it had to let its freak flag fly. It kind of needed to begin to announce, “You wanna know what the island is? You wanna know why these people were brought to the island? You wanna know what their purpose in being brought there is? It might be a little weirder than you would’ve hoped.” In addition, there’s always been this risk of what happens when you start giving people answers. You know, once you start telling people who the last Cyclon is, they all start whining about it. Now, the one thing that we didn’t ever want to do was not give our audience the answers. At the same time, it was really important to us this significant part of our show — the history of The Island — through the first-person perspective of characters that the audience cares about. Hence, time travel. And that’s what informed our storytelling this year. We hope that once you’ve sort of swallowed the bitter pill of skipping through time, you’ll really like it.

CC: I wouldn’t call it a bitter pill. I like to think of it as a good tasting piece of candy.

DL: It’s like one of those Lemonheads — it’s really sour in your mouth at first, but if you leave it there for a minute…

CC: It’s ultimately pretty sweet.

DL: Either way, we hope the audience is patient enough to get to the tasty part, because we’re trying to bridge this gap of what happened between the time the Oceanic 6 left The Island — and when John Locke left The Island — to when the Oceanic 6 decide to come back. The audience got a sneak peek of what the resolution to all this is last season, which is that Locke is going to die. We’ve seen him in the coffin. We know that his death triggered Jack to want to jump off a bridge and catalyzed him to get everyone back together to go to the island. Now we’re bridging the remaining gaps. By the seventh episode of this year [i.e., by next week’s episode, “The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham”], the audience will have all the pertinent data that bridges these events. And then we move into phase two of the season, and with phase two comes a new sense of sort of excitement and anxiety for us as writers because we’re changing the game again.

CC: I think that each season of the show has had a different flavor to it, but we’re not going to deny [that sci-fi] is in the DNA of the show. Look, this is a genre show. We’re very happy that it has attracted a big audience, we pay a lot of attention to the character stories, but we are not running from the fact that it’s a genre show. I think, in the same way that when you get to the end of an Indiana Jones movie and someone’s face melts off, the journey from A to Z in Lost is going to require that it get weirder and more overtly genre as it goes along. When you start asking questions like “What is The Island?” and “What is the smoke monster?”, the answers to those questions are probably not completely rooted in natural science.

DL: But honestly, the non-genre answer is just boring and not that interesting. How can Locke walk around on the island? The non-genre answer is his injury was primarily psychosomatic. He actually had the ability to walk for several years, but for some reason, crashing on the island psychologically freed him to walk again. That’s one answer to the mystery. If we gave that answer, people would throw their television sets out the window and then kill us. The actual answer is a genre answer, because if you’ve been in a wheelchair for four years and suddenly you’re doing jumping jacks, the natural world does not have a good response to that….Still, while this is indeed a genre show, we don’t feel like it’s weird or too science fictiony. I think if you think about a movie like Close Encounters Of The Third Kind, for some reason that doesn’t feel like it’s devoutly sci-fi because you’re treating it through this prism: “If Richard Dreyfuss really saw a UFO, and was sort of profoundly affected by it, what would happen? Let’s really treat this in a very real way.” We try to hold the show to the same standards. We don’t want to be putting out there a show that just gets weirder and weirder. We needed to do this story this year in order to set up where we need to go in Season 6, which although will still have genre elements, becomes much more grounded and character centric than it is this year. This year is a lot of setup, putting all the pieces on the chessboard where they need to be so that we can hopefully mate. And Carlton and I are mating right now.

CC: Please, put that metaphor out there into the world.

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Originally Posted by JZ1276
i still am confused why Eloise told Jack they had to try and re-create the original plane crash if she said there was already a window open for 36 hrs for them to get back to the island.
Maybe that was the time period where the island flashed to the time when Desmond caused the original incident that he believes caused the plane to crash? Eloise might have known something about the time flashes and knew that the island was in that time only for 36 hours. Then the plane comes towards the island just as a time shift is taking place, causing the original Losties to jump back in time with the rest of the Losties and the remaining plane crew went to normal time, or in the future from that perspective. Just pure speculation.
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Originally Posted by DthRdrX
You think she 'forgot' about the man and his predictions after stating in one of her flashback episodes that she believed he knew the entire time that the plane would crash and they would be stuck there together?
As I said, it's been 4 months and they've all been through a lot in that time. Claire has been (rightly) focused on caring for Aaron as her priority on the island. Maybe she hasn't forgotten the prediction because she is raising him so all is well (she thinks).

The real problem with Aaron being off the island and three years older now is that even if he was brought back he had already been Raised By Another (Kate) for those three years and if he and Claire were reunited would she even recognize him or want him (since she was going to give him up for adoption before anyway).

Side Note: Charlotte was born in 1979 so if everyone has traveled to the early 70's it'll be hard for Daniel to warn her. I'm guessing that when they flashed out of the plane they didn't end up in present day but in the mid to late 80's. Maybe '88 when Danielle arrives. Perhaps Kate, Jack, Jin & Hugo are there while Ben, Sayid, Sun & Frank landed in another time.
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Re: Lost -- "316" -- 2/18/09

there seems to be one episode worth of information missing here, regarding Hurley, Sayid and Kate's circumstances. Damon and Carlton did mention they wrote episodes 6/7 at the same time and "316" was written as the second part (episode 7), but they decided to air it as episode 6.
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Re: Lost -- "316" -- 2/18/09

Originally Posted by PopcornTreeCt
Makes you wonder with all this time jumping if it turns out Jack is actually Christian's father.
He may have done the nasty in the pasty.
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I think it's hilarious that Daniel named his lab rat after his Mom, Eloise. ::
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Easily the best ep of the season.
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easily the worst episode of the season.

there was zero sense of wonder. i thought getting back to the island would be something spectacular, something detailed, spread out over a number of episodes. this was lousy writing.
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Originally Posted by GenPion
I think this is an important plot-line, and a that Aaron is one of the show's big wild-cards. I don't know how, but something spooky is definitely going to happen with his character. Probably in season six I'd bet.
I'm starting to have my doubts about Christian as a good guy. Why would he separate Claire from Aaron and say, 'that's where he's supposed to be.' when we have both the psychic and Charlie in agreement (remember when Jack visited Hugo and he had the message from Charlie saying you're not supposed to raise him).

I'm starting to think Christian is the Devil. When Locke entered the cabin to get instructions from Jacob he found Christian sitting in the exact same chair, same position that Jacob was in when he said, 'Help Me,' to John previously. Perhaps Christian has found a way to take over Jacob maybe with the help of Claire. Jacob was trying to get through to Locke for help before but he didn't understand.

With Christian in Jacob's chair he can now safely say anything to John and be believed. 'I can speak on His behalf.' He wanted John to move the island but I don't believe that's what Jacob wanted.

Christian has been a bad dude while alive. How can we believe that he's so helpful on the island all of a sudden? Maybe Ben was right when he said they were they good guys.

It's possibly a crazy theory but I was also thinking about when Christian visited Jack in the Hospital and the smoke alarm went off. Maybe the heat from Devil would trigger the alarm. Who knows.
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Christian has been a bad dude while alive.
A flawed human being, a bad father perhaps, but he wasn't a bad guy in the scenes we saw so far.

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Originally Posted by cracksky
As I said, it's been 4 months and they've all been through a lot in that time. Claire has been (rightly) focused on caring for Aaron as her priority on the island. Maybe she hasn't forgotten the prediction because she is raising him so all is well (she thinks).

The real problem with Aaron being off the island and three years older now is that even if he was brought back he had already been Raised By Another (Kate) for those three years and if he and Claire were reunited would she even recognize him or want him (since she was going to give him up for adoption before anyway).

Side Note: Charlotte was born in 1979 so if everyone has traveled to the early 70's it'll be hard for Daniel to warn her. I'm guessing that when they flashed out of the plane they didn't end up in present day but in the mid to late 80's. Maybe '88 when Danielle arrives. Perhaps Kate, Jack, Jin & Hugo are there while Ben, Sayid, Sun & Frank landed in another time.
No way did she forget the man or what he said or did. Claire stated on the island that he knew the entire time what was going to happen and you don't forget something like that, especially after making that statement. He blames him for them ending up on the island. The man put her on the plane that crashed and gave her 6 grand to boot. It would be like Hurley forgetting his curse, Locke and Sawyer forgetting about the conman, or Kate forgetting she's a fugitive.

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Re: Lost -- "316" -- 2/18/09

Originally Posted by Michael Ballack
A flawed human being, a bad father perhaps, but he wasn't a bad guy in the scenes we saw so far.
I agree. Jack turns him in for drinking on the job and being responsible for a patient's death, but Jack himself wanted to perform a surgery to that bridge crash victim while still drugged out of his mind. The only difference is Jack was stopped by the new chief of surgery before he could do anything. Christian hasn't been proven to be any worse than Jack at this point.

Now Ben and Widmore have both been shown to be "bad guys" as they've been linked to multiple murders if not worse.


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