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Re: TV Talk's The LOST Game
So I've made this pretty simple for myself:
Spoiler:
For this week: {029} Sayid is shown building/repairing/fixing something. (14:1) $558 :> |
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I believe I've got a balance of $186.
{022} Someone is shown underwater (camera/point-of-view is also underwater). (8:1) $12 {023} The word "accident" (or "accidentally") is used. (6:1) $15 {026} All scenes in an episode are off the island. (17:1) $10 {028} No new characters (with speaking lines) are shown. We've seen every speaking character in this episode before. (7:1) $13 {029} Sayid is shown building/repairing/fixing something. (14:1) $16 {030} Sayid kills a "named" character (not a red-shirt or new-to-that-episode) character. (20:1) $20 I spent $86, leaving a balance of $100. |
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Originally Posted by Damfino
(Post 9305333)
Here are my results if anybody wants to double check, followed by a simple formula that we can use
Base Money = $78 Paid: $16 {001} A foreign language is spoken. (2:1) $48 {002} A gun or firearm is fired. (3:1) balance = 142 minus active bets {011} A Dharma logo is never shown during the episode. (5:1) - $12 {016} It is shown what caused Ben's bruises/cuts before he got on the plane. (6:1) - $12 142 - 24 (active bets) = 118 available this week -- This formula should work for everybody: where BM = $78 (Base Money), W = Winnings, A = Active Bets: Available money = (BM + W) - A |
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Here's mine
$50{023} The word "accident" (or "accidentally") is used. (6:1) $50{024} Someone gets knocked out. (4:1) $50{025} All scenes in an episode are on the island. (3:1) $50{029} Sayid is shown building/repairing/fixing something. (14:1) |
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Previous Bets:
Spoiler:
Week 3: Starting Total: $480 (from previous bets) + $30 (week 3 base money) = $510 New Bets: $040 {024} Someone gets knocked out. (4:1) $020 {025} All scenes in an episode are on the island. (3:1) $050 {027} Juliet makes her default wide-eyed perma-smirk face. (5:1) $400 {029} Sayid is shown building/repairing/fixing something. (14:1) |
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Palaver, thanks for that spreadsheet.
My bets for this week: {024} Someone gets knocked out. (4:1) $100 {027} Juliet makes her default wide-eyed perma-smirk face.* (5:1) $300 {029} Sayid is shown building/repairing/fixing something. (14:1) $100 |
Re: TV Talk's The LOST Game
Originally Posted by Palaver
(Post 9305777)
This doesn't look right to me. You're essentially counting some of your base money twice. You're getting some your base money back in your winnings.
W = Previous Winnings BMn = Base Money for Week n ($30 this week) A = Active Bets Updating my post... |
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Are you sure we should be subtracting our active bets? I would think it'd be a simple (Amount Won + This Week's New Money)?
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Originally Posted by aktick
(Post 9305937)
Are you sure we should be subtracting our active bets? I would think it'd be a simple (Amount Won + This Week's New Money)?
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You can bet your winnings, though. You have to keep track of what you have in play.
Maybe we shouldn't have been adding constant money every week :) |
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I guess it just seems like there should be 2 "pots" - pot 1 has the unspent winnings + the week's new money, pot 2 has your still active bets (so it would include both "original money" and "winnings" that were bet).
So for example, in my case, week 1 I won nothing, last week I won $372. I still have $10 out in active bets. $30 is the new amount we get this week. So my "pot 1" would have $402. "Pot 2" has the $10 in active bets for now. Say I bet my entire $402 this week, and nothing comes true, plus we get $30 again next week. Before next week's betting, I have $30 in pot 1 (money available to spend), and $412 in pot 2 (still active bets). But I don't really think it's a big deal, so whatever you guys think I'm sure will be fine. :) |
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Previous bets:
Spoiler:
Round 3 - $250 winnings +30 seed = 280 $0 {021} A fake commercial / alternate-reality game is shown. (13:1) $10 {022} Someone is shown underwater (camera is underwater). (8:1) $5 {023} The word "accident" (or "accidentally") is used. (6:1) $5 {024} Someone gets knocked out. (4:1) $0 {025} All scenes in an episode are on the island. (3:1) $40 {026} All scenes in an episode are off the island. (17:1) $100 {027} Juliet makes her default wide-eyed perma-smirk face.* (5:1) $0 {028} No new characters (with speaking lines) are shown. (7:1) $100 {029} Sayid is shown building/repairing/fixing something. (14:1) $20 {030} Sayid kills a "named" character (not red-shirt/new-to-episode). (20:1) |
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My bets for this week...I'll hold on to a good chunk of my money:
$25 {021} A fake commercial / alternate-reality game is shown. (13:1) $10 {022} Someone is shown underwater (camera/point-of-view is also underwater). (8:1) $10 {023} The word "accident" (or "accidentally") is used. (6:1) $10 {028} No new characters (with speaking lines) are shown. We've seen every speaking character in this episode before. (7:1) $75 {029} Sayid is shown building/repairing/fixing something. (14:1) So I'll bet $130 this week, and have either $272 or $262 left. |
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Active bets from previous weeks (why are we spoilering these?)
{003} Lost Numbers mentioned or used, directly or indirectly.(7:1) - $10 {011} A Dharma logo is never shown during the episode. (5:1) - $4 {017} Someone other than Jack is shown drinking alcohol. (3:1) - $4 Amount available ($30 base money + $250 winnings - $18 current bets = $262 Bets for Week Three {022} Someone is shown underwater (camera/point-of-view is also underwater). (8:1) - $32 {023} The word "accident" (or "accidentally") is used. (6:1) - $40 {024} Someone gets knocked out. (4:1) - $80 {025} All scenes in an episode are on the island. (3:1) - $60 {028} No new characters (with speaking lines) are shown. We've seen every speaking character in this episode before. (7:1) - $50 |
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I have $408 won dollars plus my $30 this week, for $438.
{022} Someone is shown underwater (camera/point-of-view is also underwater). (8:1) $35 {023} The word "accident" (or "accidentally") is used. (6:1) $20 {024} Someone gets knocked out. (4:1) $10 {025} All scenes in an episode are on the island. (3:1) $100 {026} All scenes in an episode are off the island. (17:1) $13 {028} No new characters (with speaking lines) are shown. We've seen every speaking character in this episode before. (7:1) $75 {029} Sayid is shown building/repairing/fixing something. (14:1) $15 I'll keep $170 in the bank. |
Re: TV Talk's The LOST Game
Originally Posted by Palaver
(Post 9305777)
This doesn't look right to me. You're essentially counting some of your base money twice. You're getting some your base money back in your winnings.
$8 {001} A foreign language is spoken. (2:1) = $16 in winnings $16 {002} A gun or firearm is fired. (3:1) = $48 in winnings I don't lose the $24 wagered, that returns to my base money doesn't it? |
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You don't lose the $24. You turned it into $64 of winnings.
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I've got $112, since {001}, {002}, {004}, {006}, {007}, {008} all came true.
I also have $30 from this week. These are my wagers: {025} $40 {026} $30 {027} $72 |
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Originally Posted by The Bus
(Post 9306286)
I've got $112, since {001}, {002}, {004}, {006}, {007}, {008} all came true.
I also have $30 from this week. These are my wagers: {025} $40 {026} $30 {027} $72 008 came true? Penny is dead? |
Re: TV Talk's The LOST Game
Originally Posted by Palaver
(Post 9306282)
You don't lose the $24. You turned it into $64 of winnings.
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Originally Posted by Damfino
(Post 9306898)
Exactly. I won $16 on an $8 play at 2 to 1 odds and $48 on a $16 play at 3 to 1 odds. That's $64 in WINNINGS. That is added to my Base money of $78 (24 + 24 + 30) for $142. From this I subtract $24 for the 2 undecided plays from last week leaving me with $118 for this week.
Let's say I walk into a casino with $2. I bet $1 dollar on the roulette which pays off 2:1 and I win. I should now have $3. Right? The way I understand your way, it would seem I would say I started off with $2 and I won $2 and I should now have $4. Does this analogy work here? Somebody please point out where I'm going off track, here. Sorry to be a pest. |
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I would like it cleared up as well. Also Juliet wide-eyed perma-smirk face paid off last night correct? Any other bets that paid off?
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Originally Posted by outcastja
(Post 9307181)
I would like it cleared up as well. Also Juliet wide-eyed perma-smirk face paid off last night correct? Any other bets that paid off?
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Sawyer and crew got knocked out by the sonic fence. Does that count?
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Originally Posted by Palaver
(Post 9307328)
Sawyer and crew got knocked out by the sonic fence. Does that count?
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My understanding of betting has always been the same as Palaver's also (unless we're using different rules for this game).
If you bet $10 on something that pays off 5 to 1, you will have $50 if you win. You do not get to keep your original $10 and get another $50 on top. You are paying $10 in order to make the bet. If you lose, you lose the $10. If you win, you collect $50 - you do not get $60 back. |
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Originally Posted by Palaver
(Post 9307039)
I guess I'm really confused somewhere. Help me work through this.
Let's say I walk into a casino with $2. I bet $1 dollar on the roulette which pays off 2:1 and I win. I should now have $3. Right? The way I understand your way, it would seem I would say I started off with $2 and I won $2 and I should now have $4. Does this analogy work here? Somebody please point out where I'm going off track, here. Sorry to be a pest.
Originally Posted by dvdhook
(Post 9307406)
My understanding of betting has always been the same as Palaver's also (unless we're using different rules for this game).
If you bet $10 on something that pays off 5 to 1, you will have $50 if you win. You do not get to keep your original $10 and get another $50 on top. You are paying $10 in order to make the bet. If you lose, you lose the $10. If you win, you collect $50 - you do not get $60 back. If you have $2 and bet $1 on a 2 to 1 roulette play (a column or 1st, 2nd or 3rd group), you receive $2 in winnings, you keep the $1 bet and would now have $4 ($2 won, the $1 bet and the $1 you saved) Also, if you bet $10 on a Sports prop at 5 to 1 odds, you will collect $60 if you win. That equates to $50 in winnings and your $10 returned. This is the standard for most games (sports, horses, and table games), however, some casino games will trick you a little by quoting odds as x for 1 (slots, keno and parlay cards). I think this is the source of our confusion. odds of 2 for 1 is the same as 1 to 1 or even money. I think The Bus needs to clarify how his odds are quoted. I just assumed we were talking x to 1 not x for 1. |
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Originally Posted by Damfino
(Post 9307937)
OK, Take from somebody that lives in Las Vegas:
If you have $2 and bet $1 on a 2 to 1 roulette play (a column or 1st, 2nd or 3rd group), you receive $2 in winnings, you keep the $1 bet and would now have $4 ($2 won, the $1 bet and the $1 you saved) Also, if you bet $10 on a Sports prop at 5 to 1 odds, you will collect $60 if you win. That equates to $50 in winnings and your $10 returned. This is the standard for most games (sports, horses, and table games), however, some casino games will trick you a little by quoting odds as x for 1 (slots, keno and parlay cards). I think this is the source of our confusion. odds of 2 for 1 is the same as 1 to 1 or even money. I think The Bus needs to clarify how his odds are quoted. I just assumed we were talking x to 1 not x for 1. |
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Originally Posted by aktick
(Post 9308006)
I understand how the casinos typically do it, but for our purposes, might it be easier to do it the other way (win a 5:1 bet with $10 on it, you get $50 back)?
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So what won last night? I think 24 (KO by the fence), 25 (entire episode was on the island and 27 (Juliet smirk) all won.
Also, did 17 (someone other than Jack consuming alcohol) happen? I remember seeing a can of Dharma brand beer, and there was talk of drinking, but I didn't pick this one, so I'm not sure. (especially since I was listening closely for the word 'accident') |
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Thanks for clearing up the confusion Damfino. I live close to casinos myself, but obviously never frequent them. ;)
Either way we figure it is fine with me. I just wanted to be clear on how we are doing it. |
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I think 17 won, because we saw Horace taking a chug from his bottle on the video monitor right before setting the bottle down in the grass at the beginning.
17, 24, 25 and 27 are winnarz! Insofar as the odds go, I think everywhere outside of Vegas it's pretty firmly established that if I tell you I'm giving you ten to one odds and you bet ten bucks against me and win, you have a hundie coming your way. Which is the way I'm pretty sure we've been doing it. |
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{024} Someone gets knocked out. (4:1) $10
{025} All scenes in an episode are on the island. (3:1) $100 My winners, for a total of 40 + 300 = 340, plus my 170 reserve. $510, plus my riding bets: {022} Someone is shown underwater (camera/point-of-view is also underwater). (8:1) $35 {023} The word "accident" (or "accidentally") is used. (6:1) $20 {026} All scenes in an episode are off the island. (17:1) $13 {028} No new characters (with speaking lines) are shown. We've seen every speaking character in this episode before. (7:1) $75 {029} Sayid is shown building/repairing/fixing something. (14:1) $15 Damn. I KNEW I shoulda put a hundred on permasmirk. |
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Originally Posted by DarkestPhoenix
(Post 9308408)
I think 17 won, because we saw Horace taking a chug from his bottle on the video monitor right before setting the bottle down in the grass at the beginning.
17, 24, 25 and 27 are winnarz!.
Originally Posted by DarkestPhoenix
(Post 9308408)
Insofar as the odds go, I think everywhere outside of Vegas it's pretty firmly established that if I tell you I'm giving you ten to one odds and you bet ten bucks against me and win, you have a hundie coming your way.
Which is the way I'm pretty sure we've been doing it. Anyway, I'm tired of talking about odds... We now have 2 weeks until the next new episode, so hopefully we'll get everybody's balances updated by then. |
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Looks like I won the following:
{017} Someone other than Jack is shown drinking alcohol. (3:1) - $4 {024} Someone gets knocked out. (4:1) - $80 {025} All scenes in an episode are on the island. (3:1) - $60 For a total of $12 for #17, $320 for #24 and $180 for #25 = total $512 Didn't hear the word accident, but would appreciate independent confirmation. |
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Here's my updated stats
Paid Bets Round One $5 {007} John Locke is referred to by someone as Jeremy Bentham (or Jeremy or Mr. Bentham). (5:1) $25 Round Two $8 {002} A gun or firearm is fired. (3:1) $24 $6 {004} A dead character has a scene.* (9:1) $54 $2 {006} Walt appears. (13:1) $26 $20 {014} Two or less major characters are shown before the "Lost" title sequence begins (13:1) $260 $10 {020} An entire episode passes without Sawyer calling someone by a nickname. (10:1) $100 Round Three $297 {027} Juliet makes her default wide-eyed perma-smirk face.* (5:1) - $1485 Active Bets $3 {008} Penelope Whidmore dies. (50:1) $7 {011} A Dharma logo is never shown during the episode. (5:1) $8 {013} The smoke monster appears. (7:1) $4 {016} It is shown what caused Ben's bruises/cuts before he got on the plane.(6:1) $200 {029} Sayid is shown building/repairing/fixing something. (14:1) |
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I updated my spread sheet if ya'll want to check it out:
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?k...8aPuDsaVfczHOA I continued using my original formula for now, until it is decided how to handle the odds/payout thing. I went with 17, 24, 25 and 27 being this week's winners. Let me know about any errors. I know there must be a bunch. |
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Wow, awesome. So how much to I have to bet for next week? 496 or 210 (496-286) or something else entirely?
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$2042 :D
pinata, my understanding is that you can bet $496 plus whatever they give you for that week ($30?) |
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That can't be right because I still have money invested in active bets. It's like I need a sum of active bets to deduct from to-date "score".
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