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Old 12-13-08 | 02:53 AM
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where was John in this ep ?
Old 12-13-08 | 03:36 AM
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The whole weaponry thing is my worst problem with the Terminator legacy. Ever since I saw the first movie.

Okay, so you can't sent anything inorganic back...however, they can send back a metal machine covered in skin. So, why don't you kill one of those guard dogs or take a dead one, cut it open and shove a laser gun or six inside it all Taun-taun-style?
Reese explained in the first movie that the tissue has to be living, so dead dogs presumably don't work. But to your point, I don't see why they couldn't have a weapon within their torso, then cut it out when they get here. Or you can go with Reese's explanation: "I don't know. I didn't invent the fucking thing."

But really, how can you nitpick over something like this? I mean, if they're sending so many terminators back in time, why not just send more and more back to keep trying to kill Sarah before John is born? It was a good plan. It's bound to work eventually.
Old 12-13-08 | 04:00 AM
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Yeah I mean, in reality, SkyNet sees that one Terminator failed to get the job done. They should've just sent back ten the next time. Are they only allowed to send one per mission or something? Is SkyNet on budgetary restrictions? That's consistently been my biggest problem with the series because it just seemed like such a simple and obvious way to eliminate John.
Old 12-13-08 | 11:43 AM
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Yeah I mean, in reality, SkyNet sees that one Terminator failed to get the job done. They should've just sent back ten the next time. Are they only allowed to send one per mission or something? Is SkyNet on budgetary restrictions? That's consistently been my biggest problem with the series because it just seemed like such a simple and obvious way to eliminate John.
The original timeline was that SkyNet sent back the one terminator, and then the rebels took control of the time machine and sent back Kyle Reese.

And then it was discovered that SkyNet actually sent back two.

And then we found out it was actually 53 billion.
Old 12-13-08 | 02:22 PM
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The easy answer to that is obviously that Skynet built a second machine. Clearly if they built one, they had the capacity to build another.
Old 12-13-08 | 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Salty
Reese explained in the first movie that the tissue has to be living, so dead dogs presumably don't work. But to your point, I don't see why they couldn't have a weapon within their torso, then cut it out when they get here. Or you can go with Reese's explanation: "I don't know. I didn't invent the fucking thing."

But really, how can you nitpick over something like this? I mean, if they're sending so many terminators back in time, why not just send more and more back to keep trying to kill Sarah before John is born? It was a good plan. It's bound to work eventually.
I originally liked the 'Seven Days' theory that you could only send a time traveler back SO FAR in time. That explains the Terminator mythos for me. As the future moves progressively FORWARD in time, so does their ability to alter the past become limited. We can visibly observe chronologically their attempts to change history. This is something that was even kind of confirmed by this series so far. Derek left AFTER Kyle. Also, Arnold in T3 (happening AFTER this...) killed John even FARTHER into the future. The only thing that doesn't fit in this is the Terminator who went back to the wrong year, and you could overlook that as a systems malfunction. Continuity-wise, the only thing I can't see fitting is why John would be so close to Cameron in the future while his wife was still there. Because I think they're boning.
Old 12-13-08 | 03:55 PM
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Skynet...for all it's logic, technological superiority, and lucky first strike on J-day simply cannot deal with the human race. I started thinking that even if Skynet did take out John is some time line another "john" would pop up and give them the same trouble.
Old 12-13-08 | 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Salty
Reese explained in the first movie that the tissue has to be living, so dead dogs presumably don't work.
So use a cow and a jar of Vaseline.
Old 12-13-08 | 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Shazam
The original timeline was that SkyNet sent back the one terminator, and then the rebels took control of the time machine and sent back Kyle Reese.

And then it was discovered that SkyNet actually sent back two.

And then we found out it was actually 53 billion.
I think that is the biggest flaw in the Terminator universe now. It is now not commonplace for people to go back in time. That just opens up a can of worms.
Old 12-13-08 | 10:14 PM
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So use a cow and a jar of Vaseline.
How did you know what I did last night?
Old 12-14-08 | 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Salty
Reese explained in the first movie that the tissue has to be living, so dead dogs presumably don't work. But to your point, I don't see why they couldn't have a weapon within their torso, then cut it out when they get here. Or you can go with Reese's explanation: "I don't know. I didn't invent the fucking thing."
They sort of threw all of that out of the window with T2 and T3. Theres nothing organic about either of the terminators in the 2nd and 3rd sequels. One is pure liquid metal the other is liquid metal over a solid endoskeleton with a plasma gun and a blowtorch in her right hand.
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Actually I think there is an explanation for why SkyNet doesnt send a whole bunch of Terminators to kill John. In the first two movies it was established that SkyNet was defeated and sending the Terminators back was its final act, but in the show, the future has been changed. In the first movie, Kyle was sent back after SkyNet was destroyed. TSCC says that Derek went back after Kyle. But in Alpine fields, which the producers have said in their blog takes place after Kyle is sent back, the resistance is still fighting Skynet. So, now, probably due to the medling in the first two movies, the war isnt over in the future, and John has not yet led the resistance to victory. The machines may not place as high a value on his life in this timeline because he has not beaten them yet, he is only the guy who is most likely to beat them. So they send back three terminators (101, 1000, and cromartie) and then decide to focus on other targets. This also makes the characters purpose of stopping judgement day that much more vital because, unlike in the first two movies, they no longer have an assurance that, if judgement day occurs, the humans will win in the end.
Old 12-14-08 | 06:19 PM
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Well not all liquid metals are inorganic; methylmercury is organic.

Anyways, it's possible that things changed as Disneyboy explained and with more meddling, different rules and futures are made. And as said before, Kyle says he doesn't know how the machine works so there's leeway.

Here's a question, Cromartie's Glock was implanted in his thigh when?

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