LOST -- "the Shape Of Things To Come" -- 04.24.2008
#76
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Originally Posted by chino77
sawyer and locke talked to claire though didnt they? or at least acknowledge she was there.
#77
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Originally Posted by FatTony
I'm trying to think my hardest, but I'm reasonably certain that Ben and Desmond have never crossed paths. Sayid, however, knows who Penny is, and I'm inclined to say that he's not willing to kill her on Ben's behalf.
Originally Posted by FinkPish
What about the dead doctor and the fact that he's apparently alive still on the boat? Obviously that gives some support to some sort of time flux between the island and the rest of the world, but I was wondering if their asking about the doctor could have gotten him killed in the first place, sort of a self-fulfilling paradox.
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Ben immediately getting up and grabbing a shotgun out of the piano bench was 100% badass. I also think the people on the boat were just lying about the doctor being alive...
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Originally Posted by Michael Corvin
Or... who says he's the Doctor? They lied about the Morse code, they could also be lying to hide his identity.
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Originally Posted by maxfisher
We did see him acting as the doctor on the ship, though. The body last night was the guy to which Desmond replied, 'You're not sticking me with that, brother!'
Glad it was confirmed who were the ones that captured Alex since that was quite a topic of debate.
Great action-packed episode.
Since Desmond has become of my favorite characters in the show and I loved the Desmond-Penny episodes and storyline, somewhat bummed what could happen to Penny in the future.
But damn, Ben's character is awesome. Love him but hate him. Casting Emerson as Ben was probably the best casting move in the show IMHO.
EDIT:
Nobody else lost spoken audio near the end of the episode, did they? I'm thinking since no one mentioned it no one else had that problem. From the 10:50 mark where it came back from commercial to about 10:50 spoken audio was not present, but you could still hear the music, island sounds like them walking through the jungle, etc. Folks on another message board with others in my viewing area (Hampton Roads, VA) also experienced it, so I guess I'm stuck with assuming it was our local ABC affiliate and not ABC with the problem, correct?
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Originally Posted by aktick
The 3 that did get killed tonight were comical in their stupidity. "Huh, he got shot, lemme check on him." "Hmmm, she got shot, lemme check on her." And then Sawyer dodges a couple hundred bullets. 

It was like watching Red Shirts on Star Trek.
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From: Saint Louis
Originally Posted by FinkPish
What about the dead doctor and the fact that he's apparently alive still on the boat? Obviously that gives some support to some sort of time flux between the island and the rest of the world, but I was wondering if their asking about the doctor could have gotten him killed in the first place, sort of a self-fulfilling paradox.
He's NOT fine, correct? Faraday lied about interpreting the morse code.
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Originally Posted by Son of Odin
what did charles widmore mean when he said "the island has always been mine"?
I thought the island belonged to Dharma/Hanzo. will their representatives ever show up.
I thought the island belonged to Dharma/Hanzo. will their representatives ever show up.
Also, Ben says - "You're rock is beatiful this time of year."
His Rock, meaning Widmore's. Maybe he is Dharma. Or maybe he has four toes. lol.
But makes you wonder why he can't find it if it's "his".
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Originally Posted by FatTony
Also, the two guys who rode up to Ben in the desert...it looked to me like they noticed the fact that there were no footprints on the ground around Ben. That and the fact that he was wearing a heavy jacket in the desert indicates some sort of teleportation to me. I don't see how it could be interpreted any other way.
Also, the name tag on the Dharma jacket Ben was wearing said "Halliwax". Wasn't that one of the names the asian doctor on the Dharma orientation videos goes under?
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Originally Posted by Meglos
I noticed their reactions, too.
Also, the name tag on the Dharma jacket Ben was wearing said "Halliwax". Wasn't that one of the names the asian doctor on the Dharma orientation videos goes under?
Also, the name tag on the Dharma jacket Ben was wearing said "Halliwax". Wasn't that one of the names the asian doctor on the Dharma orientation videos goes under?
Also, the Dharma logo on his coat had swirly rings with a small sprout in the middle; possibly the Orchid station. (That would make sense with the teleporting bunny video.)
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Originally Posted by RichC2
Erm no he isn't. The flash forwards have been common this season, it isn't time travel.
This episode sort of reeks of being rushed.
This episode sort of reeks of being rushed.
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Originally Posted by Flay
Also, the Dharma logo on his coat had swirly rings with a small sprout in the middle; possibly the Orchid station. (That would make sense with the teleporting bunny video.)
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Originally Posted by Matthew Ackerly
Also, Ben says - "You're rock is beatiful this time of year."
His Rock, meaning Widmore's. Maybe he is Dharma. Or maybe he has four toes. lol.
But makes you wonder why he can't find it if it's "his".
His Rock, meaning Widmore's. Maybe he is Dharma. Or maybe he has four toes. lol.
But makes you wonder why he can't find it if it's "his".
#92
Originally Posted by Michael Corvin
Ooh, good call. That could be where the "remember what happened the last time you followed your heart" line comes in.
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From: Saint Louis
Originally Posted by aktick
I'm pretty sure he said, "Iraq's beautiful this time of year," didn't he? Basically telling him yeah, I found your guy, he's dead now.
Yep. A little knee in the groin to Widmore.
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Originally Posted by the big train
I wonder if the island is the antipode of that location in Tunisia. It looks like it could be, but who knows what that even means.
#95
Originally Posted by DVD Josh
Surprised that no one thinks that Ben might be doing the same thing as Desmond was, jumping back and forth, not time travel, not teleportation.
http://forum.dvdtalk.com/showthread.php?t=499317&page=3
I don't know how tonight's episode fits into this theory, but I'm not giving up on it.
#96
Originally Posted by aktick
I'm pretty sure he said, "Iraq's beautiful this time of year," didn't he? Basically telling him yeah, I found your guy, he's dead now.
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Originally Posted by DVD Josh
Surprised that no one thinks that Ben might be doing the same thing as Desmond was, jumping back and forth, not time travel, not teleportation.
It is either teleportation or he did actually travel off the island the way he told Sayid I believe by Desmond's boat. I would say some sort of teleport based on the desert scene. Who knows though?
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Originally Posted by aktick
I'm pretty sure he said, "Iraq's beautiful this time of year," didn't he? Basically telling him yeah, I found your guy, he's dead now.
Yeah, I think you're right.... By 11 o clock I was half asleep.
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From: Beverly, MA
Originally Posted by chrisih8u
IIRC, Whidmore said "Did you come here to kill me?" and Ben said "We both know I can't do that." I took it to mean that instead of killing him, (since he can't) he was going to kill his daughter.
#100
Originally Posted by Schloob1
That and considering how many people has died because of him or around him I suppose the only person who could be his constant would be who, Whidmore 




