This makes absolutely no sense. They wouldn't need to fake a death when everyone already thinks they're dead from the plane crash. Ben could just send Jin off to do whatever Ben wants him to do, just like he did with Michael. Why would Ben take a chance putting Jin in the spotlight if that is his motive?

I truly believe that the only reason they showed Hurley and Sun go to Jin's grave is because he is dead and he was probably killed on the island. It was a shocking twist to that episode. If you want to read more into that, you can. But I think it's more fan-fiction than anything else.

That's extremely rude of you. There are tons of theories about LOST so why tell people to ignore this one from me? I've actually been more right than wrong on a lot of my guesses.

It doesn't make any sense because you didn't read what I wrote. Show me where I said that Ben was involved in "faking" Jin's death off the island so that Jin can work for Ben. If you're going to try to refute something I said, at least attempt to refute what I actually wrote.

What I said was that it's possible that members of the Oceanic 6 faked Jin's death so that Jin could go off and accomplish some task without being detected by Ben's people. In other words, Ben and his group are keeping a close eye on the Oceanic 6. Jin wants to accomplish something, but can't accomplish it with Ben constantly watching him. So, they fake Jin's death so that Ben stops keeping tabs on him. Then, Hurley and Sun visit Jin's grave in order to keep up the appearance that Jin is dead. In other words, they're not faking Jin's death for the benefit of the world; they're faking it to fool Ben.

There's actually not that much readily apparent from the still of the clipping.



It looks more like Lantham to me and the first name is a J only (that's why people kept thinking Jacob at first)

However, like you, I've been saying it's Michael from the start, as have the majority of people. I think this episode shows that he's where the smart money is on as well (certainly explains the NY connection, having a son that wouldn't come to his funeral, etc.)

I read what you wrote. You need to be more clear in your use of "they" if you truly didn't mean Ben. You make it sound exactly as I interpreted it.

And I still think you theory won't hold up. It's becoming more and more clear to the viewer and to the survivors that Ben is not the bad guy. Sure, he's manipulative but he has only done what is best for survival. I think Jack and the rest will ultimately see that. Why they would want to fool Ben when he's only helped them would make no sense. I agree there's more to the story. I'm just not buying that Jin's involved.

And thats why i stated bens speach before they left,otherwise it could of been the others. They would be no reason for ben to say that to alex,the writers emphasized what ben said with dramatic pause,angles and clarity.

Maybe it wasn't Tom...maybe it was Jacob/the Smoke Monster appearing as Tom to Michael!

I've just spent a few minutes catching up on this thread and I am literally shaking my head in wonder. There is almost no end to the number of large mysteries associated with Lost that you could be discussing. So on what "mystery" do you waste pages and pages of this thread discussing? On the absolutely trivial question of whether Aaron qualifies as an O6 member. Something that both the show itself and the show creators have confirmed and about which there is absolutely no shadow of doubt. Boggles the mind.

Who cares who the six are at this point?

I just wanna see a War with guns blazin', people dying, blood galore and Locke kicking ass.

I wrote that Ben keep tabs on people, and then stated that "they" want to accomplish something undetected. Perhaps I could have been a little clearer, but I think it is obvious that I meant that "they" wanted to be undetected by Ben. In which case, it's pretty obvious that the "they" is the Oceanic 6. Anyway, it doesn't matter. You can believe what you want to believe, and I'll believe what I want to believe and, as the show progresses, one of us will be correct. Bottom line, it makes absolutely no difference at this point, because the show can go in any direction the writers chose.

From the beginning my only point has been that there is no way to be 100% certain that Aaron is one of the Oceanic 6, and I've raised some possibilities to support that. The writers could clearly come up with other possibilities. Nothing is ever 100% certain on this show, as the rug has been pulled out from under the viewers numerous times.

Anyway, with that, I'm done disputing this point. We'll just have to watch the show in April and see what happens.

So, the smoke monster's gay?!

So? Just because you think the writers wanted you to think that its the freighter people doesn't mean it actually is. Remember, they wanted you to think that Jin was racing to the hospital to see Sun for an entire episode as well. Just because they explicitly spell out one potential scenario doesn't mean that's the one that actually occurred. The second scenario of the shooters being Others plays out the same way and has the added appeal of faking the viewer out.

As far as the whole "Is Jin dead or isn't he?" debate goes I feel like if he's alive than he's working with Ben and Sayid who are targeting Widmore and his people, who may be targeting the O6 upon their return. If Jin was in fact alive and didn't return with his wife, than it was surely to protect her and their newborn son.

I'm thinking he remained on the island and left with Ben undetected.

Also, I think Jeremy Bentham is the guy whose preserved body is on display at some college and his dead body is wheeled in when they have board meetings at the college.

Freaky.

Well it is obviously Kate and Sawyer's kid but I don't think he is posing as Claire's Aaron. Kate would would have gotten the settlement no matter what for just being on the plane.

what?

double what??

after they get off the island, kate is raising CLAIRE's child Aaron.....

You know what would be funny. If it turns out they got lazy and just cut the clipping out of the newspaper that day.

If Michael is in LA instead of NY I'd assume he is still working for Ben. We do know now why Walt may not want to show up at the wake. I think the only thing working against Michael being the man in the casket is that it would be a shitty thing for the writers to do to Walt, who is almost close to being alone at this point.

Yes, Kate would get the settlement (for herself) but if he [Aaron] was simply their child then no second settlement. These are two exceptional con artists that I wouldn't put it past to name their kid Aaron for a big check from Oceanic.

Although, the money probably goes into a trust fund until the child is eighteen.

If Aaron is a member of the O6 and if Sun really did have her first child off island, it pretty much has to be the Aaron born on the island.

Christ.

The kid with Kate is Claire's kid, Aaron.

Aaron is one of the Oceanic 6.

Can we please stop "debating" this?

It can't be Kate and Sawyer's kid. If she got pregnant on the island, Kate would die. Unless....OMG! Sawyer had a baby!

yea really.

it's just becoming an old joke now with all this.

Question: If the kid with Kate isn't Claire's child, why the hell is it named Aaron? Nobody off-island knew what Claire named her kid, and it's not like the O6 isn't lying about a whole lot of other things already. If Kate wanted to pass of her kid as Claire's, she could name the baby anything she wants and all she'd have to say is something along the lines of, "this is Jeff, Claire's baby," once off the island.

Also, logistically it doesn't make sense. Claire was nearly full term, while Kate at this point would be at most a few weeks pregnant. Even if they were to stay long enough on the island for the baby to come to term (which would kill Kate first), the baby would be too young to pass as Claire's. Also, we know that they get off the island before Sun gives birth, so Kate would've had to have gotten pregnant before Sun, which isn't likely.

As far as Jin goes, the grave marker lists his date of death as that of the date of the crash, so he's not, and never was, a member of the O6.
http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Ji_Yeo...s_Flashforward

It remains to be seen if he's truly dead or not though.

Hey, we have a month until the next episode. We have to bitch back and forth about something.