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Old 11-02-07 | 07:40 AM
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Great ep, pretty good season so far. The fake idol on the fire was a classic moment.
Old 11-02-07 | 07:43 AM
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"Falls in love with any swinging Dick or Harry that talks to her"

How did that not get bleeped? Probably the most I've ever laughed at Survivor.
My wife and I were rolling at this. I think it was the "or Harry" that saved it from being bleeped.
Old 11-02-07 | 09:35 AM
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Thought the fake idol moment was a riot as well, but even better was Courtney being an idiot thinking what JR said was that she was a "BIG THREAT" on how she would make it to the final 3. He obviously meant that she would fly under the radar because she is a scrawny skeletor weakling that no one feels they could lose to in any challenge whatsoever.
Old 11-02-07 | 10:13 AM
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I think Courtney was right on with what she said at TC. She knew that Jean Robert was trying to "clue everyone in" that she was going to fly under the radar and she called him on it.

Like James said, he doesn't know when to STFU.
Old 11-02-07 | 11:00 AM
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I was surprised when Jeff said she would be the 1st person on the jury. That means there will be 8 members on the jury this time?? What do they do if there is a tie?
Old 11-02-07 | 11:08 AM
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They could go back to a final 3, with 7 jurors.
Old 11-02-07 | 11:10 AM
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They could go back to a final 3, with 7 jurors.
I think that's what it'll be.
Old 11-02-07 | 11:37 AM
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My favourite part - related to the fake II - was JRs face during the whole debacle. I think he thought he was going home for sure, since Todd was getting everyone to vote for Jaime when he wanted to vote PG, and then Jaime pulls out the immunity idol. He just looked crushed.

Then Jeff threw the fake idol into the fire and JR realized he was back in it. I might not like him, or at least his in-game character, but it was a nice little moment.
Old 11-02-07 | 11:51 AM
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My favourite part - related to the fake II - was JRs face during the whole debacle. I think he thought he was going home for sure, since Todd was getting everyone to vote for Jaime when he wanted to vote PG, and then Jaime pulls out the immunity idol. He just looked crushed.

Then Jeff threw the fake idol into the fire and JR realized he was back in it. I might not like him, or at least his in-game character, but it was a nice little moment.
Well, according to Jaime in an interview I read this morning, that was the reason why she played the fake idol. She claims she knew it was fake (that she and Erik compared it to the one that was still on the structure at the Fei Long beach), and she just wanted to get a rise out of Jean-Robert. She was actually disappointed because she claims that she told the camera multiple times that it was fake, and she was just trying to convince Todd that she had an idol so they would target PG instead.

Honestly, knowing editing tricks (one need only look at the last season of BB) I wouldn't be surprised if that were the case.
Old 11-02-07 | 11:52 AM
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Nice read!

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment...track=ntothtml

'Survivor's' name truly says it all

Audiences love the show; cultural observers are conflicted. But here we are in edition No. 15.

By Martin Miller, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
November 2, 2007

Few network shows have done more, both directly and indirectly, to give every American his or her now requisite 15 minutes of fame -- and humiliation -- than "Survivor."

The odd new show that began as a summertime crapshoot for CBS in 2000 was first ignored by critics, then quickly excoriated as a new cultural low. It was hard to believe it would enjoy even a fleeting moment of acclaim.

But the groundbreaking program, whose devilishly simple premise -- stranding a group of strangers in a remote location, holding a $1-million prize over their heads and making them eat bugs and stab each other in the back -- is now in its 15th season. Laugh if you want: It's an astounding feat of longevity that highlights the program's knack for outwitting, outplaying and outlasting the scores of copycat reality competitions it helped spawn.

And as the potentially devastating writer's strike loomed, TV industry people were taking another look at the show and its steady, under-the-radar success. After all, the five-month writers strike in 1988 is often identified as a turning point for audiences, who began defecting from network fare in favor of then-upstart cable shows. It would be only fitting if "Survivor" led a new reality-show surge this time, if the strike were prolonged and networks had to lean harder than ever on unscripted shows.

" 'Survivor' is the gold standard of this genre," said Mark Burnett, the show's executive producer and the force behind a host of other reality-based network programming. "I don't really like the term 'reality.' It's a strange press invention. 'Survivor' is really a super documentary, in a way."

Despite going up against celebrated scripted programming, "Survivor" is doing more than fine on television's toughest night. In fact it's thrashing its award-winning rivals. For the fifth consecutive week, "Survivor: China" won its Thursday night time period in the advertiser-coveted 18-to-49 demographic and in total viewers.

It did so against ABC's "Ugly Betty," whose Emmy-winning star America Ferrera has been a media darling since the show premiered to much fanfare last season. "Survivor" did even better against NBC's smartly written and prized half-hour comedies "My Name Is Earl," whose Jaime Pressly received an Emmy this year for outstanding supporting actress, and "30 Rock," which captured this year's Emmy for outstanding comedy series.

As Linda Holmes, a managing editor for the Web's TelevisionWithoutPity.com, points out, the show looks like child's play. "Everyone always thinks it's so easy to duplicate a show like 'Survivor,' " said Holmes. "They think all they need is to put a bunch of celebrities on an island or stick some people in a house. Well, 99% of time, it falls flat."

"There's always been this eagerness to say reality shows are just trash, and I think people underestimate 'Survivor' because of that," added Holmes. "It's an extraordinarily well done show."


Some core strengths

Like the rest of network television, the "Survivor" franchise has suffered a decline in overall audience, particularly when compared to the dizzying heights it reached in Season 1, when its finale drew 51 million viewers. Its weekly audience now hovers around the 14-million mark, a highly respectable number in today's audience-fragmented entertainment marketplace. A location for a 16th season has been selected but not yet announced.

"A couple of moments there, I kind of thought we were near the end," said Kelly Kahl, CBS' scheduling chief. "But the show keeps surprising us. I can't think of a scripted show that has this kind of staying power. If this were a new show and did these kind of numbers, it'd be on magazine covers."

While remaining a stalwart for CBS, "Survivor" has avoided the fate of many reality competitors over the years that may have burned brightly for a season or two, if at all, and then faded in the ratings or disappeared altogether. Like, say, Burnett's other major reality show, NBC's "The Apprentice," which was in 2004 one of the hottest shows in television and now is listed as a mid-season replacement featuring an all-celebrity edition.

"One thing that didn't help 'The Apprentice' was changing its time slot," said Burnett who is also behind Fox's surprise performer "Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader?" and this summer's reality flop "Pirate Master." "If CBS kept shifting 'Survivor' around, I think you'd see a dramatic downturn there too."

But "Survivor's" vitality may have more to do with its core strengths than a stable time slot, which other than its premiere season has always been Thursday nights. From the start, the show's production values have been praised even by its harshest critics. From a technical standpoint, the camera work and editing consistently have been first-rate.

And the show has shined most in perhaps the single most important category of any reality program: casting. From the first season, when truck driver Susan Hawk compared the finalists to "a snake and a rat" to this season's poker-playing Jean-Robert Bellande, whose snoring and woman-eyeballing have endeared him to no one, "Survivor" has excelled at showcasing contestants people love to love and love to hate.

"The casting has been terrific," said Kahl. "And this is not to disparage Jeff [Probst, the show's host], who is a critical guide for the viewer, but the contestants are the real stars of the show."

Still, the show has had its missteps trying to keep itself fresh. Notably, last year's "Survivor: Cook Islands," for which contestants were segregated by race and ethnicity, caused an uproar. That idea was quietly dropped. Even in casting, the magic just hasn't been there on occasion.

"For me, 'Survivor: Fiji' left me a little empty," said Probst, the show's only host, whose trademark dismissal line, "The Tribe has spoken," is part of pop culture. "You have to have some good luck and hope the right people to root for are still there in the end. It doesn't always happen."


Good guys finish . . .

Theories about the show's appeal range from the inherent drama of watching contestants being drummed out of the "tribe" to witnessing the psychological dynamics of the workplace and the family.

"You can get only so far by conniving and lying, because the people you've lied and connived against have the power to award you the $1 million," said Burnett. "So, it proves something about life. You can cheat and steal, but it only gets you so far. 'Survivor' is real karma. In the end, it's a good lesson for kids, because being a good person is the key to winning."

Just how long can "Survivor's" torch burn?

"It's very difficult to put a life span on something that has gone 15 seasons without people noticeably saying it isn't any good anymore," said Holmes, who writes recaps of the show. "I have no idea when it's going to end. It wouldn't surprise me if it were on 10 years from now."

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It's pretty amazing that this show got a front page story on the LA Times Calendar after 15 seasons.

Chris
Old 11-02-07 | 11:52 AM
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I thought it was weird that Jeff didn't ask if anyone wanted to play a hidden immunity idol before reading the votes and that Jaime had to speak up to play her fake idol.
If I recall correctly, the existence of the hidden immunity idols at all had not been officially disclosed to all of the survivors. The "kidnapped" tribe members from the losing team at the reward challenges would be given a sealed container to give to one of the winning team's members in secret. It would be possible for only those who have opened these containers to know for sure that there are hidden immunity idols. Of course, Todd had clued in a few people and others may have guessed that they existed before now.

I wonder if PG and Erik think that James' two immunity idols are not really immunity idols now. They didn't see the writing on his that says what they are, so they may think he was wrong about them.
Old 11-02-07 | 12:16 PM
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What I think is dumb about the whole fake idol thing... they knew James had two of them, and yet there was this third one they found on the ground that they dismissed as "he must not have had time to pick it up". But even assuming he had one from the other camp, why would they think there were more than two hidden idols total? By their logic that would mean there two at each camp, hidden right next to each other (and 4 in the game total). That's just a stupid assumption right there.
Old 11-02-07 | 12:18 PM
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JR is the biggest idiot I've ever seen on Survivor. How on earth is he a "professional" poker player? Maybe he baffles the competition because he's so stupid you can't predict what he'll do. What's hilarious is that he's delusional enough to believe that he has something to do with his still being there and not because of pure luck.

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Old 11-02-07 | 12:28 PM
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Like Jaime said, she's no Jessica Simpson ... .
Old 11-02-07 | 12:33 PM
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I'll be really po'd if James is back doored next week.
Old 11-02-07 | 01:07 PM
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I'll be really po'd if James is back doored next week.
Yeah, but Todd would probably be into it.
Old 11-02-07 | 01:22 PM
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Regarding the LA Times article:

I do agree that Survivor is a well done show and compared to mediocrities such as Kid Nation, etc… its much, much better. It’s sad that its beating My Name is Earl in the ratings every week and its even more depressing that its beating one of the best comedies in years, and what I would call the next (I think its already there) comedy masterpiece, 30 Rock.

I don’t like this WGA strike, I thinks its going to do more damage than the one in 88’ and considering Survivor and The Amazing Race are the only 2 (besides Hell’s Kitchen and Kitchen Nightmares) “Reality” shows I can stand watching and enjoy; If this strike makes unscripted shows even more popular than they already are, I think the scripted genre is dead and the “thinking” audience is left in the dust; more so than they already are currently.

Anyways, I’ll stop babbling on and talk about this episode of Survivor: China but I just thought I’d add some of my thoughts.
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“This ain’t Love Connection!” –James

Good episode. Jeff upping the drama by throwing the non-idol in the fire was great. I couldn’t stop laughing when I saw the look on Jaime’s face when she found out that it wasn’t the real idol and it was just a block of wood.

Courtney is absolutely disgusting to look at. When she was talking with Todd, Amanda and Denise; wearing that bikini, she looked more anorexic than ever. I can’t wait (If she does) ti’ll she gets voted off.

James saying Jean-Robert talks to much at tribal council was great.Although I was glad Jaime got voted off because she’s just plain stupid; I did enjoy the eye candy. Glad Amanda is still around!
Old 11-02-07 | 01:33 PM
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Yeah, but Todd would probably be into it.
I would love to see some hot sweaty man-sex between those two!
Old 11-02-07 | 01:36 PM
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I would love to see some hot sweaty man-sex between those two!
I have to admit I would rather see that than James on Courtney. But I guess that would be a way they could get a fire going if they didn't have flint.

Jame and Todd are still my favorites.
Old 11-02-07 | 01:37 PM
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I would love to see some hot sweaty man-sex between those two!
I think he was looking more at Frosti.

And if Skeletor hates JR so much, why is it that they are ALWAYS sleeping next to each other? I was hoping Todd would pimp slap her.
Old 11-02-07 | 01:43 PM
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Skeleton seemed to be cozying up to Frosti.
Old 11-02-07 | 01:49 PM
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It's pretty amazing that this show got a front page story on the LA Times Calendar after 15 seasons.

Chris
If you take into account that the show costs next to nothing to make and that since the show is pretty much based on the drama of the people on the show and that the cast changes every year so it always stays decently fresh. Also the general rules do not change. There may be some tweaks added in but in the end its about the challenges and the strategies. I don't see how this show can ever get cancelled.
Old 11-02-07 | 02:22 PM
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I think Courtney was right on with what she said at TC. She knew that Jean Robert was trying to "clue everyone in" that she was going to fly under the radar and she called him on it.

Like James said, he doesn't know when to STFU.

If that is the case, then I think you are giving her way too much credit there and I missed it. Personally I think she is that dumb. You saw how they were trying to explain to her how it was stupid to vote for JR, and she just did not seem to get that just because you hate him they need him for right now.


Also, I am not buying Jaime trying to say she knew it was a fake. I think she got duped so bad that she has had time to try and come up with a story that did not make her look as dumb as she looked from this episode.
Old 11-02-07 | 02:26 PM
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In the very beginning when they were all lying around and Todd and Amanda were talking about and to JR and Courtney about their problems, and whenever JR talked, Courtney would roll her eyes back into her head, I thought she was dead. Seriously, she would roll her eyes and she looked like a corpse. UGH.
Old 11-02-07 | 02:33 PM
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If that is the case, then I think you are giving her way too much credit there and I missed it. Personally I think she is that dumb. You saw how they were trying to explain to her how it was stupid to vote for JR, and she just did not seem to get that just because you hate him they need him for right now.
I disagree. I don't think she is stupid as far as intelligence goes. She understood what they were saying about JR, she was just pissed as she saw their not backing her up as an affront and took it personally. I just do not think she is very good at playing Survivor. That doesn't mean she is dumb, just not game-savvy and plays with too much impulse and emotion.

Either way, that has nothing to do with what happened at TC. JR stupidly started talking about her and she fought back and called him on what he was trying to do.


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