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mosquitobite 08-13-07 01:04 PM
Originally Posted by mwbmis
Spoiler:
By the way, Jessica was America's Choice last night. After he got word Eric ran up there and talked to her really quickly for the next half hour or so (it was a frantic, panic filled conversation) then went back downstairs. He wasn't real happy because she offered to let him (and him alone) stay up there last night, and he had to give that up.
Spoiler:
America's Choice for what?

Groucho 08-13-07 01:06 PM
Eric's reaction to America's choice on the aired show last night was ridiculous. It's gone from "whatever you say, America!" to "how dare you go against my strategy!"

Spoiler:
I wonder if he'll figure out that people are messing with him or if he'll assume we know something he doesn't?

Bluelitespecial 08-13-07 01:31 PM
Man a month and a half of big brother has produced a whopping 53 pages of discussion, I bet we will end up at 100 pages before the season is over.

Timber 08-13-07 01:37 PM
Originally Posted by mwbmis
Spoiler:


By the way, Jessica was America's Choice last night. After he got word Eric ran up there and talked to her really quickly for the next half hour or so (it was a frantic, panic filled conversation) then went back downstairs. He wasn't real happy because she offered to let him (and him alone) stay up there last night, and he had to give that up.

Spoiler:
Why did they let him have a "preventative" conversation with her before the AP stipulation went into effect? They're playing fast and loose with this AP stuff and I don't like it.

Patrick G 08-13-07 01:42 PM
Originally Posted by Timber
Spoiler:
Why did they let him have a "preventative" conversation with her before the AP stipulation went into effect? They're playing fast and loose with this AP stuff and I don't like it.
Well, what the hell did he tell her in this conversation?

mwbmis 08-13-07 02:45 PM
Originally Posted by Patrick G
Well, what the hell did he tell her in this conversation?
Spoiler:
Apparently, he had producer permission because he apologized in the storage room for it taking so long.

The veto ceremony would have occured before he could talk to her again. They hadn't really talked about it so he had to push to try to get someone else nominated. Basically, he pushed for Dustin or Jen. When it looked like Dustin was backing out of wanting to be nominated he had to quickly try to instill in her that if she nominated a pawn that she had to be prepared to have the pawn go home so if she wanted to nominate one of the four to make sure that she nominated the person that she wouldn't mind seeing go home. He also quickly tried to point out that while he trusted her 100% he was less certain of the others. It was the beginnings of a CYA for when he has to vote to evict whomever instead of Dick later this week. I think her name popping up in America's Choice was an eye opener for how he is being perceived.

It was a real frantic conversation, and while Jess really, really wants to believe Eric he is making it hard for her to do so (and honestly, I think she could if he wasn't having to play for "us"). It's too bad. I like Jess. In a lot of ways she is the positive energy of the house (even D/D don't complain a lot about her...she's the one they want to keep!). Unfortunately, she's just not really a great player. With Eric playing fast and loose, he's losing America's support (plus the fact that the show doesn't really televise the truly repugnant portions of Richard Donato's greatest hits...they still have pre-veto Saturday morning so we'll see...). In the end, I think Eric (i.e, America) is going to end up scumbagging Jess, which is unfortunate because she really doesn't deserve it (Dustin does...Amber does...even in some cases Jameka, but not Jess).

mwbmis 08-13-07 02:50 PM
Originally Posted by mosquitobite
Spoiler:
America's Choice for what?
Spoiler:
America picked Jessica as the houseguest he had to give the silent treatment to for 12 hours. To accomplish this w/o raising her suspicions he's playing sick and staying in bed, pretty giving the entire house the cold shoulder. I guess he'll have to pretend to be asleep if she comes to visit.

the big train 08-13-07 03:36 PM
Poor Eric
Spoiler:
getting C-Blocked by America has gotta suck. It's really funny, but I can't help feeling sorry for the guy.

An4h0ny 08-13-07 03:44 PM
Originally Posted by magiccmom
Kaysar giving up on a HOH comp and letting Jennifer win the HOH on BB6 after she promised not to put him up, and then she put him up and he went home was a pretty pinheaded move also.
for me that was the dumbest one of all

Marcellus was playing in the moment a lot of the time... a very emotional game. His move was dumb but at least he has the excuse that it was slightly impulsive, etc...

Kayser was actually trying to reason things through in a chess like style. I wasn't a huge fan of his, BUT he should have known that chick wouldn't have kept her word. He let himself get fooled twice.

Dummy yelling at Evil Dick was way, WAY stoopid though. The way you know it was just utterly stupid was that he couldn't even come up with a good defense or reason. He made no sense and looked like a deer caught in the headlights during his exit debriefing with the Chen. He's the biggest winner re: Amber's wackiness in a way. The recap show will mostly focus on her antics rather than rehashing the taunting Dick faux-pas ad nauseum.

mwbmis 08-13-07 03:58 PM
Originally Posted by An4h0ny
for me that was the dumbest one of all

Marcellus was playing in the moment a lot of the time... a very emotional game. His move was dumb but at least he has the excuse that it was slightly impulsive, etc...

Kayser was actually trying to reason things through in a chess like style. I wasn't a huge fan of his, BUT he should have known that chick wouldn't have kept her word. He let himself get fooled twice.

Dummy yelling at Evil Dick was way, WAY stoopid though. The way you know it was just utterly stupid was that he couldn't even come up with a good defense or reason. He made no sense and looked like a deer caught in the headlights during his exit debriefing with the Chen. He's the biggest winner re: Amber's wackiness in a way. The recap show will mostly focus on her antics rather than rehashing the taunting Dick faux-pas ad nauseum.
To me Marcellas will always be the worst. The other two were stupid, but there is no guarantee that they wouldn't have gone home anyway. Kaysar and Jen had been standing there for more than 12 hours. Who knows who would have won that contest? If Kaysar didn't "cut a deal" and then lost the contest he would have gone home anyway. He thought he would be safe, and it was a bad move. Given her reception after she left the season I'm sure Jen Vasquez wished she had done something else too. BB isn't a team game. Her move to break her word and nominate/evict Kaysar was just as bad as Kaysar's. And she left two days later (If she had evicted James like the plan then she might have even won...certainly she wouldn't have been the number one target like she became...her move only served to enrage Howie and Janelle and get herself evicted).

As for Mike, sure he was stupid, but calling it the dumbest move ever presupposes that Dick would have won that contest. Personally, I would place better odds on Jen winning that veto. In that case, no matter his actions, Mike would have gone on the block and probably gone home. He just increased his odds. Sure, it was incredibly stupid, but, to me, Marcellas not removing himself from the block in order to ensure the final four will always be the worst move ever. He was "protecting" Lisa, but he should have been protecting himself.

magiccmom 08-13-07 04:09 PM
Spoiler:
I have a feeling we are due for a double elimination round here realllll soon!

matta 08-13-07 04:37 PM
Originally Posted by mwbmis
As for Mike, sure he was stupid, but calling it the dumbest move ever presupposes that Dick would have won that contest. Personally, I would place better odds on Jen winning that veto. In that case, no matter his actions, Mike would have gone on the block and probably gone home. He just increased his odds. Sure, it was incredibly stupid, but, to me, Marcellas not removing himself from the block in order to ensure the final four will always be the worst move ever. He was "protecting" Lisa, but he should have been protecting himself.
Mike likely wouldn't have been the replacement nominee that week if he didn't make himself a target.

mwbmis 08-13-07 04:38 PM
Originally Posted by magiccmom
Spoiler:
I have a feeling we are due for a double elimination round here realllll soon!
Spoiler:
If past patterns hold it should be this week.

Veto results:
Dustin's on the block. Apparently, Dick gave a moving emotional speech about his daughter that had more than one houseguest in tears. Seriously. So, I guess that means America will be evicting Dustin this week. If Jen and Zach do as well then Dustin is gone (and Eric is completely screwed).

mwbmis 08-13-07 04:39 PM
Originally Posted by matta
Mike likely wouldn't have been the replacement nominee that week if he didn't make himself a target.
It was between Zach and Mike, and I'm pretty sure Dick indicated that he was leaning towards Mike.

actionjackson29 08-13-07 04:40 PM
Originally Posted by matta
Mike likely wouldn't have been the replacement nominee that week if he didn't make himself a target.
The LNC was in full power at that time and liked Nick, it was going to be either Mike or Zach.

matta 08-13-07 04:44 PM
Originally Posted by mwbmis
It was between Zach and Mike, and I'm pretty sure Dick indicated that he was leaning towards Mike.
IIRC he was leaning the other way because he mentioned that Mike was basically a pupet of Kail, so if he eliminated Kail (target if Mike didn't pull his crap), Mike was useless.

mwbmis 08-13-07 04:49 PM
Originally Posted by matta
IIRC he was leaning the other way because he mentioned that Mike was basically a pupet of Kail, so if he eliminated Kail (target if Mike didn't pull his crap), Mike was useless.
That's why Dick getting rid of Mike was a bad eviction. It was pointless. Mike was probably the only stand-up guy in that house. He could have been used as an alliance partner or a vote later in the game.

DWilson 08-13-07 06:47 PM
Maybe I've missed something, but haven't there been tasks for "America's Player" that haven't been followed up on? Wasn't there a vote, -I think it was last week, -involving which houseguest Eric should shower with attention? And I could be mistaken, but wasn't there a vote early on involving which houseguest Eric should make a play for? I wonder if he balked or perhaps it just didn't develop into anything worth wasting valuable show-time on?

An4h0ny 08-13-07 07:23 PM
Originally Posted by DWilson
Maybe I've missed something, but haven't there been tasks for "America's Player" that haven't been followed up on? Wasn't there a vote, -I think it was last week, -involving which houseguest Eric should shower with attention? And I could be mistaken, but wasn't there a vote early on involving which houseguest Eric should make a play for? I wonder if he balked or perhaps it just didn't develop into anything worth wasting valuable show-time on?
they need to amp those challenges up... to like.. "Who should Eric threaten menacingly with a knife?" or "How long should Eric float face down in the pool without breathing? To choose 30 minutes... pleasetextOOOONE..."
and so on..

mwbmis 08-13-07 07:23 PM
Originally Posted by DWilson
Maybe I've missed something, but haven't there been tasks for "America's Player" that haven't been followed up on? Wasn't there a vote, -I think it was last week, -involving which houseguest Eric should shower with attention? And I could be mistaken, but wasn't there a vote early on involving which houseguest Eric should make a play for? I wonder if he balked or perhaps it just didn't develop into anything worth wasting valuable show-time on?
The two tasks last week were to make a final two promise (which he did to Jessica) and to basically "suck up" to a houseguest to avoid eviction. That didn't make the show because of all the drama in the house last Wednesday. It doesn't matter because in his hopes to avoid eviction Eric "sucked up" to pretty much every houseguest.

They haven't done a "showmance" one yet. A few weeks ago he might have had a shot with Jess, but she's too suspicious of his intentions now.

matta 08-13-07 09:16 PM
Originally Posted by An4h0ny
they need to amp those challenges up... to like.. "Who should Eric threaten menacingly with a knife?" or "How long should Eric float face down in the pool without breathing? To choose 30 minutes... pleasetextOOOONE..."
and so on..
They could have the producers play into it like they just found he's been convicted for manslaughter or something like that just before he threatens Jameka with a knife in the shower. Pure gold.

An4h0ny 08-13-07 10:08 PM
Originally Posted by matta
They could have the producers play into it like they just found he's been convicted for manslaughter or something like that just before he threatens Jameka with a knife in the shower. Pure gold.
it's a win-win

Deadpool 08-14-07 06:49 AM
Originally Posted by mwbmis
Spoiler:
If past patterns hold it should be this week.

Veto results:
Dustin's on the block. Apparently, Dick gave a moving emotional speech about his daughter that had more than one houseguest in tears. Seriously. So, I guess that means America will be evicting Dustin this week. If Jen and Zach do as well then Dustin is gone (and Eric is completely screwed).
Spoiler:
That's just stupid...To paraphrase an NFL coach...The point of an alliance is to try and win the game...HELLO! I'm starting to believe CBS is doing too much suggesting in this show. I'm also starting to feel Eric isn't the only one receiving a check for doing stupid stuff.

mwbmis 08-14-07 01:38 PM
Originally Posted by Deadpool
Spoiler:
That's just stupid...To paraphrase an NFL coach...The point of an alliance is to try and win the game...HELLO! I'm starting to believe CBS is doing too much suggesting in this show. I'm also starting to feel Eric isn't the only one receiving a check for doing stupid stuff.
Spoiler:
The principle behind the move (Jess not wanting to piss off Jen) isn't bad, but there is the twist they don't know about. Theoretically they should have the votes (and Jess secured Zach), but no one knows that Eric is not really voting. Either way as of last night Dick would still be going home (even if America votes to keep him). Even though he is "alligned" with D/D, Zach is planning on keeping his word to Jessica (to evict Dick) unless she releases him or decides to evict Dustin (she doesn't vote...this would have to be Eric (ie America) flipping the game, but even though his vote isn't his own my sense is that Eric is trying desperately not to betray Jess (at least until America forces him to)). If he flips he wants to take her with him. I don't really know where Jen stands. I don't think we'll really know who's going home until Wednesday or maybe even Thursday (like last week).

saoirse 08-14-07 02:36 PM
Has anyone here heard the rumor that Jen is "in" or was coached by Chilltown? I have seen it posted a couple of places.


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