the Sopranos -- "Chasing It" -- 04.29.2007
04-30-07, 03:43 PM
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Carmella didn't "work" hard on the house; but thats not the way her character sees it. She feels that worked just as hard as the people that built the house; and that she deserves every penny for her troubles. As for her being a bad businesswoman, thats entirely subjective. She hasn't had to make any true business decisions that were boom or bust (stock tip from season 1, hiding money in various bank accounts).
She's just as guilty as Tony in the spending department; but unlike Tony, she has something to show for it (i.e. the stuff inside the house). Carmella seeks independence and respect; although they don't naturally go hand-in-hand.
Her "send off" episode is the one I await the most. Technically, she's got as much blood on her hands as Tony does.
She's just as guilty as Tony in the spending department; but unlike Tony, she has something to show for it (i.e. the stuff inside the house). Carmella seeks independence and respect; although they don't naturally go hand-in-hand.
Her "send off" episode is the one I await the most. Technically, she's got as much blood on her hands as Tony does.
04-30-07, 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by CPA-ESQ.
Tony was HARD UP for CASH!!
If he wasn't then he would have placed a "Large" bet on the Jets game - he didn't have the cash so he didn't - that's why he was pissed
If he wasn't then he would have placed a "Large" bet on the Jets game - he didn't have the cash so he didn't - that's why he was pissed
04-30-07, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by jackepstein
Carmella didn't "work" hard on the house; but thats not the way her character sees it. She feels that worked just as hard as the people that built the house; and that she deserves every penny for her troubles. As for her being a bad businesswoman, thats entirely subjective. She hasn't had to make any true business decisions that were boom or bust (stock tip from season 1, hiding money in various bank accounts).
She's just as guilty as Tony in the spending department; but unlike Tony, she has something to show for it (i.e. the stuff inside the house). Carmella seeks independence and respect; although they don't naturally go hand-in-hand.
Her "send off" episode is the one I await the most. Technically, she's got as much blood on her hands as Tony does.
She's just as guilty as Tony in the spending department; but unlike Tony, she has something to show for it (i.e. the stuff inside the house). Carmella seeks independence and respect; although they don't naturally go hand-in-hand.
Her "send off" episode is the one I await the most. Technically, she's got as much blood on her hands as Tony does.
Next week, I think maybe AJ proves to be the character who gets redeemed. I really hope so. After being a spoiled fuck-up for so long, he's come a long way since he asked Carmella to buy him a nightclub to manage. He's sort of making it on his own, honestly, out of his parents' house.
I figure his odds are 50/50 or better that getting dumped sends him into a back-spiral, but he's the only member of the Soprano family who doesn't seem poised to get clobbered by a giant karmic hammer.
04-30-07, 04:08 PM
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does the whole AJ dating the puerto rican woman storyline bother anyone else? maybe i am just cynical but i love have always loved this show for being so realistic. but when i picture a rich white kid from the burbs who knows his dad is a mob boss and that he is just gonna inherit some money, i dont see him sleeping with an older woman with a kid...know what i mean? it just has always seemed off to me.
04-30-07, 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by fernsita
does the whole AJ dating the puerto rican woman storyline bother anyone else? maybe i am just cynical but i love have always loved this show for being so realistic. but when i picture a rich white kid from the burbs who knows his dad is a mob boss and that he is just gonna inherit some money, i dont see him sleeping with an older woman with a kid...know what i mean? it just has always seemed off to me.
But obviously it's pointing out a double standard. Meadow with a well to do mixed race(Black/White) College kid is forbiden, yet Aj with a poor Puerto Rican piece of ass with a ready made rugrat and tons of 'Tude isn't that big a deal.
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04-30-07, 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by jackepstein
Carmella didn't "work" hard on the house; but thats not the way her character sees it. She feels that worked just as hard as the people that built the house; and that she deserves every penny for her troubles. As for her being a bad businesswoman, thats entirely subjective. She hasn't had to make any true business decisions that were boom or bust (stock tip from season 1, hiding money in various bank accounts).
She's just as guilty as Tony in the spending department; but unlike Tony, she has something to show for it (i.e. the stuff inside the house). Carmella seeks independence and respect; although they don't naturally go hand-in-hand.
Her "send off" episode is the one I await the most. Technically, she's got as much blood on her hands as Tony does.
She's just as guilty as Tony in the spending department; but unlike Tony, she has something to show for it (i.e. the stuff inside the house). Carmella seeks independence and respect; although they don't naturally go hand-in-hand.
Her "send off" episode is the one I await the most. Technically, she's got as much blood on her hands as Tony does.
Yeah looking back on this series you realize how much of an hypocrite Bitch she is. I've been catching up on the 2 previous seasons and it really hit me how self-righteous and full of shit she is.
04-30-07, 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by sracer
He's the consigliere... he doesn't have to earn... he just has to "be".
You think Tom Hagen woulda allowed Santino to gamble all that money without speaking up? I mean, Santino woulda done what he wanted anyway, but at least Tom woulda tried to talk him out of it.
Silvio's indifference may send Tony into an unexpected rage. He better watch his ass.
I didn't realize earlier that Silvio was Tony's consigliere...that puts things in a different light for me, making Silvio's utter indifference shocking. Christopher's face was like, "what are you doing, Tony?!" But said nothing. Silvio rooted him on, encouraged him (abeit deadpan).
Not a good consigliere. Too comfortable.
04-30-07, 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Buttmunker
Silvio has to be the worst Consigliere ever! A consigliere, or counselor, is supposed to gear you in the right direction, is supposed to offer good advice.
You think Tom Hagen woulda allowed Santino to gamble all that money without speaking up? I mean, Santino woulda done what he wanted anyway, but at least Tom woulda tried to talk him out of it.
Silvio's indifference may send Tony into an unexpected rage. He better watch his ass.
I didn't realize earlier that Silvio was Tony's consigliere...that puts things in a different light for me, making Silvio's utter indifference shocking. Christopher's face was like, "what are you doing, Tony?!" But said nothing. Silvio rooted him on, encouraged him (abeit deadpan).
Not a good consigliere. Too comfortable.
You think Tom Hagen woulda allowed Santino to gamble all that money without speaking up? I mean, Santino woulda done what he wanted anyway, but at least Tom woulda tried to talk him out of it.
Silvio's indifference may send Tony into an unexpected rage. He better watch his ass.
I didn't realize earlier that Silvio was Tony's consigliere...that puts things in a different light for me, making Silvio's utter indifference shocking. Christopher's face was like, "what are you doing, Tony?!" But said nothing. Silvio rooted him on, encouraged him (abeit deadpan).
Not a good consigliere. Too comfortable.
04-30-07, 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Buttmunker
Silvio has to be the worst Consigliere ever! A consigliere, or counselor, is supposed to gear you in the right direction, is supposed to offer good advice.
You think Tom Hagen woulda allowed Santino to gamble all that money without speaking up? I mean, Santino woulda done what he wanted anyway, but at least Tom woulda tried to talk him out of it.
Silvio's indifference may send Tony into an unexpected rage. He better watch his ass.
I didn't realize earlier that Silvio was Tony's consigliere...that puts things in a different light for me, making Silvio's utter indifference shocking. Christopher's face was like, "what are you doing, Tony?!" But said nothing. Silvio rooted him on, encouraged him (abeit deadpan).
Not a good consigliere. Too comfortable.
You think Tom Hagen woulda allowed Santino to gamble all that money without speaking up? I mean, Santino woulda done what he wanted anyway, but at least Tom woulda tried to talk him out of it.
Silvio's indifference may send Tony into an unexpected rage. He better watch his ass.
I didn't realize earlier that Silvio was Tony's consigliere...that puts things in a different light for me, making Silvio's utter indifference shocking. Christopher's face was like, "what are you doing, Tony?!" But said nothing. Silvio rooted him on, encouraged him (abeit deadpan).
Not a good consigliere. Too comfortable.
Early in the the shows run I though Hesch was the Consigliere but they sort of made it Silvio. But Silvio is a Capo so how does that work out? I also thought that Consigs weren't full blooded Italians and thus couldn't be "made" but Silvio obviously is.
04-30-07, 09:28 PM
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It never ceases to amaze me... I watch a Sopranos episode and think, "wow, how brilliant". Then I go to DVD Talk and it is getting panned across the board. I think the show needs to end, so people will understand exactly what they'll be losing. The best show of any season of any other show isn't as good as one of the worst shows of The Sopranos, but that's just my opinion. With no Deadwood, I don't really see a show that can come close to the brilliance that David Chase's series consistently brings to the table.
04-30-07, 09:46 PM
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While I agree to a point that Tony's gambling problem felt a bit sudden, it's not as if this is the first time we've seen him gamble before--the executive card game, playing at various casinos, betting on Pie-O-My, etc.. This might be a stretch, but I wouldn't be surprised if he's had massive losses like this in the past, but the difference now is that he's without people like Ralph and Vito, both of whom were fantastic earners, which probably covered Tony's losses. Combine that with dwindling areas of financial gain (like Paulie and Patsy's pathetic failure at shaking down a coffee joint in "Johnny Cakes") and Tony's excessive nature...well, he was bound for a wake-up call eventually.
For the record, I enjoyed the episode, but it's certainly not among their best; not even close. The only thing that really bothered me was the reliance on handheld camerawork in some scenes; The Sopranos has had a certain directing style since the pilot, and handheld shots aren't a part of it.
And nicely done work there, jackepstein.
For the record, I enjoyed the episode, but it's certainly not among their best; not even close. The only thing that really bothered me was the reliance on handheld camerawork in some scenes; The Sopranos has had a certain directing style since the pilot, and handheld shots aren't a part of it.
And nicely done work there, jackepstein.
04-30-07, 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by IIG
IThe best show of any season of any other show isn't as good as one of the worst shows of The Sopranos, but that's just my opinion.
04-30-07, 11:41 PM
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I'm interested in hearing why you believe that my assessment of the show is not applicable to the Sopranos.
04-30-07, 11:59 PM
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to jackepstein and the other analyzers, always helps put the eps into perspective.And I still think the show is great. I also agree it seems each big character is getting an episode for this last stretch... may be a little discouraging but I'm sure it'll wrap up well at the end.
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Originally Posted by Timber
Early in the the shows run I though Hesch was the Consigliere but they sort of made it Silvio. But Silvio is a Capo so how does that work out? I also thought that Consigs weren't full blooded Italians and thus couldn't be "made" but Silvio obviously is.
The only non-fullblooded Italian to be a consigliere was Tom Hagen in One. Might've been the only one in history, fiction or non-fiction. But even then Michael appointed a fullblooded Italian to the job - his dad Vito. They are always made men regardless of the writings of Mr. Puzo.
A consigliere is someone just under and kind of off to the side of the Boss. He advises the Boss as well as relays the Boss' messages to the captains and to rival crews. He will sit in for the Boss at some sit-downs and/or conferences. Also he will be acting Boss if the Don is ever incapacitated or away, until the Don appoints a new Boss, or one takes the throne by force.
05-01-07, 01:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Buttmunker
In regards to your spoiler, that would be a nifty trick, considering
As far as the "holy shit" comment, I wouldn't mind if you spilled the beans in either a link or a spoiler.
Spoiler:
As far as the "holy shit" comment, I wouldn't mind if you spilled the beans in either a link or a spoiler.
anyways (these are plot synopsis's and the major stuff that happens in the episodes
Spoiler:
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05-01-07, 02:31 AM
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Originally Posted by TheGodfather
Hesch is a very rich Jewish shylock who is allowed to conduct his business because of his friendship with Johnny Boy Soprano, nothing more. Tony goes to him for advice because of his objectivity being outside the circle. It was never even insinuated that Hesch was even a part of the family, let alone consigliere.
The only non-fullblooded Italian to be a consigliere was Tom Hagen in One. Might've been the only one in history, fiction or non-fiction. But even then Michael appointed a fullblooded Italian to the job - his dad Vito. They are always made men regardless of the writings of Mr. Puzo.
A consigliere is someone just under and kind of off to the side of the Boss. He advises the Boss as well as relays the Boss' messages to the captains and to rival crews. He will sit in for the Boss at some sit-downs and/or conferences. Also he will be acting Boss if the Don is ever incapacitated or away, until the Don appoints a new Boss, or one takes the throne by force.
The only non-fullblooded Italian to be a consigliere was Tom Hagen in One. Might've been the only one in history, fiction or non-fiction. But even then Michael appointed a fullblooded Italian to the job - his dad Vito. They are always made men regardless of the writings of Mr. Puzo.
A consigliere is someone just under and kind of off to the side of the Boss. He advises the Boss as well as relays the Boss' messages to the captains and to rival crews. He will sit in for the Boss at some sit-downs and/or conferences. Also he will be acting Boss if the Don is ever incapacitated or away, until the Don appoints a new Boss, or one takes the throne by force.
05-01-07, 04:08 AM
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Originally Posted by tommy28
I agree....The Sopranos for me has "jumped the shark"
Classic, not too many TV shows have the balls to show a character taking a shit and then stepping in it... look for tons of imitators.
05-01-07, 05:28 AM
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Originally Posted by IIG
It never ceases to amaze me... I watch a Sopranos episode and think, "wow, how brilliant". Then I go to DVD Talk and it is getting panned across the board. I think the show needs to end, so people will understand exactly what they'll be losing. The best show of any season of any other show isn't as good as one of the worst shows of The Sopranos, but that's just my opinion. With no Deadwood, I don't really see a show that can come close to the brilliance that David Chase's series consistently brings to the table.
'The Wire ' is pretty much superior in every conceivable way. That being said, this episode wasn't as bad as some are making it out to be, but 'The Sopranos' really has been running on fumes for awhile now.
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