I think you guys are reading too much into the CD.

What probably happened is that the second unit was shooting the scene, and needed a CD for a close-up. Nobody had a Petula Clark CD, so someone grabbed their own Talking Heads CD. They then put a different book in it with an ambiguous cover to make the shot.

Regarding the island, I've wondered since the first and second season if it isn't actually an archipelago. It seems like the Others do a lot of travelling by boat. So Othertown could be one one island, and the place where the plane crashed could be another island.

Wow, dude, chill out. I said it was just a theory. I didn't say I could prove it. Of course there are holes in it. There are holes in EVERY theory. If you could prove everything then we wouldn't have to theorize anymore.

No I can't answer every discrepancy, but that doesn't disprove it. Yes, there are tough things to explain, but I liked this theory because I still don't see anything specifically that contradicts it. Holes aren't contradictions. They're just missing pieces.

If you don't like, fine. You don't need to be so emphatic about it. It's just a TV show. Is it alright with you if I have fun making up a theory? You say you have a better theory, so let's hear it.

I agree with your explanation, except that it was the booklet that was Talking Heads. The CD was Son Volt's Okemah and the Melody of Riot.

It's possible, I don't think the high shot completely eliminated the possibility of the village being on another island. We also know from last season that there used to be a ferry, presumably to another island, and that there is still a dock and boat.

However, the one boat we saw them have, they gave to Micheal. Also, Ethan and Desmond both mention being able to get to the crash sites without mentioning having to use a boat. Also, from the wide shot, the other island that the Others are theoretically on would be very close to the main island, and viewable from the main island on at least part of the beach.

I think next week's ep may provide some more info on this possibility, since the Others seem very concerned about the Losties having a boat. This may be just a general concern, or it could be because it means that the Losties can cross to their island.

A lot of the issues I pointed out are contradictions. "Holes" was just a nice way of putting it.

Locke being able to walk is a contradiction in your theory. Desmond is a contradiction in your theory. Eko's brother is a contradiction in your theory. The pilot's a contradiction, since he'd have to have been "in" on it on some level in order to take off and navigate the plane from it's origin, and yet gives no sign of any inside knowledge, especially none of the island.

The implanted memory theory was always shaky, even when it was possible that the plane crash was part of it, even though Kate contradicted that part by claiming to have been awake through the whole thing. Now that the plane has been definitively shown to have actually crashed, the theory is being stretched to even less credible ends.

Your theory makes complete sense to me. I had been thinking about that possibility also, just never decided to get into a pissing match with anyone here. Apparantly Jay G thinks he knows all things Lost better than everyone else here. Pretty sad that someone goes to great lengths to try to disprove a theory based on a TV show.

At the end of last season when the button wasn't pushed, the result of the magnetic force launched a door ( I assume it was the/a hatch door) skyward. This is evidenced by the landing of the door on the beach. Didn't make sense at the time. Remember that Desmond fessed up that he was the cause of the crash because he left the hatch and the same magentic force occurred because he didn't make it back in time. This was validated by the correlation of the day and time of the crash with the clock records. The apparent earthquake causes everyone to come out at look to the sky as if they expect something to be aloft. The earthquake is not caused by the plane. While they are looking skyward the "montster" sound that was prevalent right after the crash the first few nights is heard but is then drowned out by the plane passing over. By freeze framing the plane passing over, you can clearly see what appears to be a door traveling upward on the right (back side) of the plane. (See photo 1). The elevators and rudder are clearly intact so it isn'nt the tail end of the plane coming apart. As soon as the "door" is visable, you can see the fusuelage begin to crack right behind the wing which is near the path that the "door" has taken. As first I thought is was the plane door, but the size apears to be larger than the height of the fusuelage therefore ruling out the plane door (it would be much smaller). This is not a depth percection issue by the "door" being closer because it appears on the back side. Possibly it is much bigger than the fuselage since you can't tell how far away it is from the plane. Also, if it were the plane door it would quickly lose speed due to drag. Clearly the "door" maintains the same airspeed of the plane till it dissapears behind a cloud. We know that the plane went off course due to the navigation being thown off by the magnetic field. My theory is that a hatch door was thrown skyward (like in the last episode of last season) and clipped the fuselage causing it to continue to rip apart. Thank God for TIVO.

seems very possible, or atleast more plausible than just the sheer force of the magnet ripping a plane into two big pieces like that.

The flying hatch door wasn't because Desmond didn't push the button; whatever caused the door to fly happened after Desmond turned the key. And he didn't use the key when the plane crashed; he only used it when the numbers weren't entered when Locke trashed the computer.

That's part of the roof the flew off, you can see it come off in the pilot episode.

...tv special-effects? This isn't Star Wars here. I wouldn't think much of the physics of a plane that's breaking in half all in one shot over a real life island while I still have another show to do next week.

"...Maybe we're looking too much into this."
--LOSTCast

...that is a nice capture though, still could mean something.

Thanks! I think it's just plain fun to come with your favorite theory and as the story unfolds see how it fits or doesn't fit into it. To me, them being former Others themselves seems like a twist that they would use. Anyways, there should be enough information by the end of this season to know whether this theory is more or less likely. I don't see how else to explain why their memories are so intertwined.

Let's try to keep the comments on the topic, not on other members.

Although I do believe the idea that the others are on another island seems farfetched... I like the idea of it being a peninsula or just plain bigger... we have yet to see the whole thing and nobody has scaled the coast yet.

You guys have probably already addressed this, but why was the plane flying so low?

because it was crashing and falling towards earth

also watching in hd from the first moment the plane appears from overhead you can see the crack in the plane were it then breaks apart.

To me, the biggest "Desmond did NOT cause the crash" evidence is that if you watch the beginning of Man of Science, Man of Faith, Desmond woke up, put in the numbers, did his exercises, took a shower, made breakfast and THEN heard the plane crash.

In Two Cities, there was the "earthquake" followed very shortly by the plane crash.

When the numbers are not entered, the chain reaction begins very quickly, not 108 minutes later.

He was hearing the explosion that opened the hatch, not the plane crash....

12thmonkey is right on that one. Desmond DID cause the crash. I think that is fairly certain from what they have given us.

I'm not on board the two island thing either. I've been a big proponent of the peninsula thing since the first season/early second season.

I don't think you can state that with such certainty Mike. This is LOST after all. There's too much different in the post-didn't input the numbers events to make that 100% clear. Plus, there's also the strange conversation between Locke (I believe) and Desmond where he's asked if he ever wondered what would happen if he didn't input the numbers and responded (to the effect of) "every time". It makes it sound like he actually has been faithfully inputting the numbers.

I thought it was implied that Desmond did cause the crash as a result of not getting the numbers entered after his encounter with Kelvin on the beach. That would have been a good 30 or so days (in Lost time) before the hatch explosion.

I'm not saying at all that Desmond didn't cause the crash. I'm with Mike in many ways - it's pretty obvious that they are showing that he did. I'm just saying that its also possible that he did not.

What keeps getting me is the producers have said that two events caused the island to be "seen"



Besides destroying the hatch, what exactly does the "failsafe" actually prevent from happening?

We just don't know enough about what was happening in the hatch post-not pressing the numbers to say for certain that it brought the plane down and that Desmond was the one who did it.

Per the season two finale, it would seem that some combination of either not pressing the numbers OR using the failsafe causes the island to be seen. That's when Penelope was notified by the research team. Perhaps it temporarily removes some type of "shield"

In both instances, the magnetic field controlled by the hatch grew in intensity past its normal parameters. The monitoring station in the snow seemed to be rigged to pick up such magnetic disturbances.

It was a conversation between Jack and Desmond, at the beginning of Season 2 in episode 3, "Orientation".

JACK: It says quarantine on the inside of the hatch to keep you down here. To keep you scared. But you know what? We've been up there for over 40 days and no one's gotten sick. You think that this is the only part of it that's true? Do you ever think that maybe they put you down here to push a button every 100 minutes just to see if you would? That all of this -- the computer, the button -- it's just a mind game? An experiment?

DESMOND: Every single day. And for all our sakes, I hope it's not real. But the film says this is an electromagnetic station. And I don't know about you, brother, but every time I walk past that concrete wall out there, my fillings hurt.