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Old 02-09-06 | 11:06 AM
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Well, they know it was a passenger of the flight, because he identified himself as much. Hurley etc. know that Boone died trying to make a radio transmission in a plane. 2 + 2 = 4.

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Old 02-09-06 | 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Snowmaker
No, that's not it.

I think I saw it in school years ago for some reason. It was only 5-10 minutes long.
I think I also saw it in school, back in the 70's.

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Old 02-09-06 | 11:46 AM
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Yeah we saw "...Owl Creek" in school as well. High School film class. It was used as an example of imagery and such. Lil clues in the flick that let ya know he was dead. (Running for long time over a short distance, camera angles as he looked up, etc.)

Sawyer a jerk again! Oh yeah!

And if the characters are hallucinating before death, then they are not dead yet, and the writers could be truthful. Not my theory, just saying...

Hey...is it old news that Kate is in Freddy vs Jason? Just saw this flick the other day.
Old 02-09-06 | 11:51 AM
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I think this is the information on 'Owl Creek'

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0056300/

Rivière du hibou, La (1962)
Directed by
Robert Enrico

Writing credits
Ambrose Bierce (story)
Robert Enrico



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Genre: Short / Drama (more)

Plot Outline: As an innocent man is about to be hung for treason, he dreams of his escape. When they throw him off the bridge, the rope breaks and he begins his escape toward home, and just as he gets there... (more)

User Comments: Blows Hitch's version out of the water! (more)

User Rating: 8.5/10 (530 votes)

Credited cast:
Anne Cornaly .... Mrs. Farquhar
Roger Jacquet .... Peyton Farquhar
Anker Larsen
Stéphane Fey .... Union Officer
Jacques-François Zeller
Pierre Danny
Louis Adelin
rest of cast listed alphabetically:
Rod Serling .... Narrator (Twilight Zone broadcast)
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Also Known As:
An Occurence at Owl Creek Bridge (USA) (actual spelling)
An Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge (USA) (correct spelling)
Incident at Owl Creek
Runtime: 28 min
Country: France
Language: French
Color: Black and White
Sound Mix: Mono

Trivia: The US title "An Occurence at Owl Creek Bridge" is misspelled. (more)

Goofs: Crew or equipment visible: Ropes can be seen pulling the gates open as Peyton arrives at his home. (more)

Awards: Won Oscar. Another 1 win (more)


The formatting isn't that good, but click on the link. It was in Black in White.

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Old 02-09-06 | 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by aktick
Yep. It's a short story, basically about a Southern man who is about to be hanged by Union soldiers, and in the seconds before it happens, he imagines the noose breaking and that he's racing to freedom. But it ends with the guy hanging their with a broken neck.

They also did an episode of Twilight Zone based on this .
I read this story in grade/high school, and I think about it often, it is one of my favorite stories i have ever read. When I started watching, I thought about this immediately, that said, I hope this isn't the case....
Old 02-09-06 | 11:52 AM
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So with the guns hidden now, how they going to fight the Others?
Better be a good hiding place or...The Others will find them before everyone else does.
Old 02-09-06 | 11:52 AM
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So will we ever see how Sawyer finds Locke's gun stash? "A magician never tells his secrets" but this one is going to bug me. The only explination is Sawyer trailed Locke somehow... but one would think Locke would be aware of someone following him.
Old 02-09-06 | 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Maquis
So will we ever see how Sawyer finds Locke's gun stash?
It was revealed at the end of the ep that he used Charlie for the kidnap attempt on Sun, and to follow Locke.
Old 02-09-06 | 12:06 PM
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Well, I'm getting sick of everyone complaining about the people complaining about the show.

Oops.... nevermind. I'll try again next week.
Old 02-09-06 | 12:16 PM
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Did anyone else find it very forced that AL was confused between Scott and Steve? That was unnecessary since she's never met the one that died.
Not at all. No one on the island could remember their names either, dead or alive.
Old 02-09-06 | 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Maquis
So will we ever see how Sawyer finds Locke's gun stash? "A magician never tells his secrets" but this one is going to bug me. The only explination is Sawyer trailed Locke somehow... but one would think Locke would be aware of someone following him.
Did you not listen to the end exchange between Charlie and Sawyer?
Old 02-09-06 | 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Palaver
These can very easily be attributed to coincidence. I haven't seen anything that Walt has done "psychically" that would have been entirely impossible in the real world. If Walt levitated an airplane with his mind that would be one thing. But reading a comic book with a polar bear before seeing one in real life is just coincidence... imho.
And what about Walt pleading with Locke not to open "it" before he went on the raft.
Old 02-09-06 | 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by boogieman03
I thought the same thing. Why would she be confused? She's only met one of them.
Then I wrote it off as the writers using it as a running joke.
Yeah, definitely a wink at the fans, but forced because she only met one.

Originally Posted by DVD Josh
Not at all. No one on the island could remember their names either, dead or alive.
At least they had the excuse for knowing both. Hell, I saw the episode he was killed and every throwaway joke since then and I still can't remember who actually died
Old 02-09-06 | 12:32 PM
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And what about Walt pleading with Locke not to open "it" before he went on the raft.
And what was "it"? The hatch? They opened it and nothing bad happened. In fact only good things have happened so far. Washing machines, electricity, showers, food, water. Sounds like Walt was off a bit on this one.

Maybe if Walt had said if you open it, be sure and punch in the following numbers in the computer you find inside, then that would have been something.

Walt may have had a bad dream about Locke opening something. As always, things are left just vague enough so as not to necessitate a paranormal explanation.
Old 02-09-06 | 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by The Ferret
I missed tonight, can I get a summary?

Would they be re-airing this over the next week, if so, when?
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Don't think it's re-airing, but can I get a summary?
Old 02-09-06 | 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by mdc3000
Well, they know it was a passenger of the flight, because he identified himself as much. Hurley etc. know that Boone died trying to make a radio transmission in a plane. 2 + 2 = 4.

MATT

Wasn't there a conversation between Bernard and SOMEONE else concerning this. That he said he contacted someone... And didn't Boone tell someone as well (Remember he lived through at least 1 episode after he plummeted).
Old 02-09-06 | 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by The Ferret
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Don't think it's re-airing, but can I get a summary?
Locke and Jack team up to ensure that all the weapons floating around the island are kept in the armory, nice and safe. Locke suggests they do the same with the medicine and lets Jack know Sawyer has been helping himself -- again. Jack goes straight to Sawyer's tent and the two of them face off over ownership of the meds. Sawyer claims it's a case of "Finders Keepers." And that's just fine with Jack. He just found them in Sawyer's tent. And now he's keeping them.

In FLASHBACK we see Sawyer in a now familiar scene. He's in bed with a beautiful woman when he has to rush out to make a meeting. He grabs his briefcase and -- oops! -- thick bundles of cash "accidentally" fall to the floor. Only this time, his mark is on to him. But there's a surprise. Cassidy doesn't call the cops -- she doesn't even storm out of the room. Instead she wants him to teach her everything he knows.

Back on the island, Sawyer tells Kate about the army Jack and Ana Lucia are forming -- trying to, anyway. Turns out a chance to tangle with the Others isn't quite as irresistible to everyone as they thought. Meanwhile Hurley tries to connect with Sayid. He knows Sayid's been despondent since losing Shannon and he has something he hopes will cheer him up. It's a radio -- the same one on which the Tailies picked up Boone's signal from the drug plane. Maybe Sayid can boost the power somehow to help them send another signal?

Meanwhile, Sun works alone in her garden when suddenly she is dragged off into the jungle with a hood over her head. Sawyer and Kate follow her screams from the beach and find her bound and unconscious in the jungle. They bring her back to camp where Ana Lucia leads everyone to arrive at the only possible conclusion. The Others are back…

Ana Lucia wants to go after them. But Locke argues for caution, at least until Sun wakes up and is able to tell them exactly what happened. But Sawyer and Kate smell a rat and decide to do a little investigating of their own. Sun was dragged off by the Others just as Jack and Ana Lucia are struggling to build a force to go after them? Hmmm…

In FLASHBACK we see Sawyer grooming his new pupil in the art of the con. Cassidy's a very bright pupil. But she's hungry for more. She wants to learn the long con. And she knows how they can fund it. Cassidy got more money than we thought in her divorce. A whole lot more.

Back on the island Sun has woken up. She can't tell them anything about who took them. But people are tired of waiting around. Jin leads the charge and sums up his idea of what to do next in a single word: "Gun."

In FLASHBACK we see Sawyer meet up with his old mentor, Gordie. He's been playing Cassidy like a fiddle, knowing the whole time there was more money in her. But when Sawyer says he's having second thoughts Gordie makes the decision real easy for him. Finish the job or, die. Turns out everybody works for someone…

Back on the island, Jack arrives at the hatch to find Sawyer sitting at the computer. He opens the armory and discovers it empty. Sawyer got there ahead of him and warned Locke that Jack was coming for the guns. And while Jack wants to put his fist through Sawyer's head, he has bigger fish to fry just now. Jack finds Locke on the beach and demands to be taken to the new hiding place, but Locke doesn't want to take him there. In the end, it turns out he won't have to.

Sawyer emerges with a gun over his shoulder. He played Locke and Jack against each other in a con to win control of the guns. We don't know how he found the new hiding place, but he's got a message for the camp. Seems he didn't appreciate having his things taken while he was away on the raft. But, what the hell, they can keep the shaving cream and batteries. But if anyone on this island needs a gun? They need to come to Sawyer.

That's the thing with cons. In order to work, the victims need to want something. And even on this island -- lots of people want all kinds of things…
http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/episodes/212.html
Old 02-09-06 | 01:16 PM
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Old 02-09-06 | 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Palaver
And what was "it"? The hatch? They opened it and nothing bad happened. In fact only good things have happened so far. Washing machines, electricity, showers, food, water. Sounds like Walt was off a bit on this one.

Maybe if Walt had said if you open it, be sure and punch in the following numbers in the computer you find inside, then that would have been something.

Walt may have had a bad dream about Locke opening something. As always, things are left just vague enough so as not to necessitate a paranormal explanation.
"So Far"

You can also argue that's not true at all. They hid the existence of the hatch from the rest of the survivors, it has instilled a sense of strife in Locke and Jack, and now they are in charge of the button, which made Desmond stark raving mad.

So maybe the one a bit off is you, not Walt.
Old 02-09-06 | 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by dstrauss
Did I also see that one of the books Locke was looking through in the hatch was "An Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge"?
If anyone's interested, you can read the full short story here:

http://eserver.org/fiction/occurrence-at-owl-creek.html
Old 02-09-06 | 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by DVD Josh
"So Far"

You can also argue that's not true at all. They hid the existence of the hatch from the rest of the survivors, it has instilled a sense of strife in Locke and Jack, and now they are in charge of the button, which made Desmond stark raving mad.

So maybe the one a bit off is you, not Walt.
Obviously, bad things may happen in future episodes, but its hard to use that as a basis for Walt being right. And I would say the sense of striff between Locke and Jack started when Locke was involved with Boone's death. Not when they opened the hatch. And I don't think that being in charge of the button drove Desmond mad. It was being in charge of it for so long by himself. I don't think any of the Losties will go mad anytime soon by pushing the buttons... especially since they are doing it in shifts. And I don't think there are currently any ill feelings between survivors because the hatch was hidden.

Don't get me wrong. I expect that something bad will happen eventually because of the hatch. But, Walt having a premonition about it does not fall into the realm of paranormal to me. People have gut feelings all the time about things. Sometimes they turn out to be true. Sometimes they don't. Walt just seems to be right more than most people. Nothing extraordinary there.
Old 02-09-06 | 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Palaver
Don't get me wrong. I expect that something bad will happen eventually because of the hatch. But, Walt having a premonition about it does not fall into the realm of paranormal to me. People have gut feelings all the time about things. Sometimes they turn out to be true. Sometimes they don't. Walt just seems to be right more than most people. Nothing extraordinary there.
How about Walt appearing to multiple people and talking backwards after he'd been taken by the others? I don't think there's a scientific explanation or way to rationalize away that one...
Old 02-09-06 | 01:54 PM
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How about Walt appearing to multiple people and talking backwards after he'd been taken by the others? I don't think there's a scientific explanation or way to rationalize away that one...
There is much fairly conclusive speculation that both the US and Soviet governments - especially during the late 1960s and early 1970s - have (are?) conducted extensive experiments to isolate the ability for astral projection, or out-of-body experiences. Likewise with ESP and remote viewing.

Applying that belief for the sake of fiction, it would conclude those phenomena were real and controllable. Hence the DeGroot island compound, perhaps?

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Old 02-09-06 | 01:57 PM
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No, that's not it.

I think I saw it in school years ago for some reason. It was only 5-10 minutes long.
For what it's worth, I saw this short 3 times during my schooling (jr. high, high school, and during an intro lit. course in college). It's a little less than 30 minutes long.

This is the same thing that was shown on the Twilight Zone. It was not made for the series, but Serling liked it and showed it as one of the final episodes as a cost-cutting measure.


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