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Old 02-09-06 | 09:32 AM
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Here's something interesting:

I've mentioned before that I think this show is about TIME. Hurley's comment made me think more about it. The producers have said the show isn't about purgatory. But that does NOT mean it's not about Limbo.

I looked up Limbo and found some interesting definitions:

As to space-time:
oblivion: the state of being disregarded or forgotten

As to the Losties:

an imaginary place for lost or neglected things

As to Aaron's baptism:

(theology) in Roman Catholicism, the place of unbaptized but innocent or righteous souls (such as infants and virtuous individuals)

So that's my personal theory as to what's going on. I'd be interested to hear some feedback!

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Old 02-09-06 | 09:40 AM
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The creators have said that the characters aren't dead, which rules out purgatory, limbo, etc.
Old 02-09-06 | 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Groucho
The creators have said that the characters aren't dead, which rules out purgatory, limbo, etc.
I mentioned that about purgatory. But it does NOT rule out limbo. Limbo does not require death.
Old 02-09-06 | 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Chew
The last episode of the original Twilight Zone
No, that's not it.

I think I saw it in school years ago for some reason. It was only 5-10 minutes long.

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Old 02-09-06 | 09:50 AM
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The creators have said that the characters aren't dead, which rules out purgatory, limbo, etc.
Can we trust the creators? I could of sworn they've told us things before and then renegged.
Old 02-09-06 | 09:52 AM
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Yes, they told us that everything has a "scientific explanation" early in the first season. Of course, that turned out to be bunk.
Old 02-09-06 | 09:54 AM
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Kim Dickens.
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That's what she's from. Thanks!
Old 02-09-06 | 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Groucho
Yes, they told us that everything has a "scientific explanation" early in the first season. Of course, that turned out to be bunk.
A loose coverall of scientific explanation could still apply to most of the key elements of the main story: ranging from nanotechnology to electromagnetism to paranormal activity to mind control to chaos theory to chance.

Whether it falls more into the realm of "sci-fi" versus hard, quantifiable science remains to be seen.

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Old 02-09-06 | 09:59 AM
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Can we trust the creators? I could of sworn they've told us things before and then renegged.
Just last week, the bastards released an apparently fake picture of somebody other than Charlie taking Sun .
Old 02-09-06 | 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Groucho
Yes, they told us that everything has a "scientific explanation" early in the first season. Of course, that turned out to be bunk.
How has that turned out to be bunk? Most things that seem to be improbable can be explained by hallucinations by a select few: Jack seeing his father, Shannon seeing Walt, etc. Even the "monster" appears to be some sort of nano-technology. That might stretch into more of a science fiction explanation, but it stays in the realm of something that can actually happen in the real world. Aside from the monster, I have yet to see anything that could not be explained by coincidence and hallucinations.

Of course, I may be forgetting something.
Old 02-09-06 | 10:11 AM
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Walt's psychic abilities, for one.
Old 02-09-06 | 10:18 AM
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No, that's not it.

I think I saw it in school years ago for some reason. It was only 5-10 minutes long.
Yeah I remember seeing that in high school while we were learning about the Civil War I think there about two or three small clip and I pretty sure that 'Owl Bridge' was the last one. You think this maybe have to do with Charlie since he was the only one I know that was hanged.
Old 02-09-06 | 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by DVD Josh
Here's something interesting:

I've mentioned before that I think this show is about TIME. Hurley's comment made me think more about it. The producers have said the show isn't about purgatory. But that does NOT mean it's not about Limbo.

I looked up Limbo and found some interesting definitions:

As to space-time:
oblivion: the state of being disregarded or forgotten

As to the Losties:

an imaginary place for lost or neglected things

As to Aaron's baptism:

(theology) in Roman Catholicism, the place of unbaptized but innocent or righteous souls (such as infants and virtuous individuals)

So that's my personal theory as to what's going on. I'd be interested to hear some feedback!
Limbo & purgatory are two very different ideas. Most assume they are the same, but they are quite different. I mentioned a couple weeks back that Eko's belief that Aaron needed to be baptized to get to heaven was indeed a very real belief prior to 1965 in the Roman Catholic faith. The purpose was to avoid limbo. So if they are already in limbo can a soul baptize another soul in limbo? If so, would they not then be allowed into heaven?

Since so many people believe they are the same thing I doubt producers would vehemently deny purgatory when it is about limbo. That would just piss everyone off that doesn't know the difference. I doubt it is limbo. It also seems too religious for a mainstream audience.

One other clue is Eko's backstory. He grew up around the church, and was more than likely baptized. Which would mean he would end up in purgatory, not limbo.
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Originally Posted by Snowmaker
No, that's not it.

I think I saw it in school years ago for some reason. It was only 5-10 minutes long.
Was it a black and white film? Chances are that is probably what you saw. It may not have been labeled as the Twilight Zone, because it was an Oscar-winning short film first. It was about 40 minutes long.
Old 02-09-06 | 10:38 AM
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A detail I may have wrong: When Hurley brought the radio to Sayid, he said that it's the one that picked up Boone's transmission... Was Locke close enough to hear Boone when he had the radio concersation? Boone obviously was in no condition to discuss it after the plane fell, but if Locke heard Boone then he may have shared that with the group, and then when the Tailies joined they swapped stories and put the facts together? Is that reaching or did I miss a step?
Old 02-09-06 | 10:39 AM
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If the writers read these threads, I predict in a month or two that Hurley will be setting up a limbo contest on the beach.
Old 02-09-06 | 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Bronkster
A detail I may have wrong: When Hurley brought the radio to Sayid, he said that it's the one that picked up Boone's transmission... Was Locke close enough to hear Boone when he had the radio concersation? Boone obviously was in no condition to discuss it after the plane fell, but if Locke heard Boone then he may have shared that with the group, and then when the Tailies joined they swapped stories and put the facts together? Is that reaching or did I miss a step?
I assumed Hurley learned about the "Boone transmission" from Bernard, because that's where he (Hurley) got the radio from.
Old 02-09-06 | 10:42 AM
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Did anyone else find it very forced that AL was confused between Scott and Steve? That was unnecessary since she's never met the one that died.
Old 02-09-06 | 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by majorjoe23
Was it a black and white film? Chances are that is probably what you saw. It may not have been labeled as the Twilight Zone, because it was an Oscar-winning short film first. It was about 40 minutes long.
I don't remember if it was color or B&W, but I sure as hell don't think it was that long.

The rope broke, he runs ..... can't remember much else.
Old 02-09-06 | 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Groucho
Walt's psychic abilities, for one.
These can very easily be attributed to coincidence. I haven't seen anything that Walt has done "psychically" that would have been entirely impossible in the real world. If Walt levitated an airplane with his mind that would be one thing. But reading a comic book with a polar bear before seeing one in real life is just coincidence... imho.
Old 02-09-06 | 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim
If the writers read these threads, I predict in a month or two that Hurley will be setting up a limbo contest on the beach.
We should copy all the relevant limbo posts over to the lost-tv forums, just to be sure.
Old 02-09-06 | 11:01 AM
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Did anyone else find it very forced that AL was confused between Scott and Steve? That was unnecessary since she's never met the one that died.
I thought the same thing. Why would she be confused? She's only met one of them.
Then I wrote it off as the writers using it as a running joke.
Old 02-09-06 | 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by pinata242
Did anyone else find it very forced that AL was confused between Scott and Steve? That was unnecessary since she's never met the one that died.
It was a throwaway line for the Fans. It wasn't like it was harped upon, so I'm don't see why it would really be "forced"...

I thought the episode was EXCELLENT and one of the best this season. Next week looks to be extremely intense and I can't wait for it.

And all this talk about Hurley's WHEN ARE WE line is really starting to get to me...it was clearly the writers way of MAKING FUN of the internet fans who make insane speculation about the show...I wouldn't read ANYTHING into it... the writers CLEARLY love to have fun at the fan's expense as they have shown week to week with lines that clearly address or make fun of internet chatter... and that Bad Twin novel and the author's name clearly show this... although I can't wait to get that book...going to be sweet!

MATT
Old 02-09-06 | 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by pinata242
Did anyone else find it very forced that AL was confused between Scott and Steve? That was unnecessary since she's never met the one that died.

Maybe she met them on the plane.
Old 02-09-06 | 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by 12thmonkey
I assumed Hurley learned about the "Boone transmission" from Bernard, because that's where he (Hurley) got the radio from.
Okay, but how would Bernard know it was Boone? How would anyone else know Boone even made a transmission?


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