Acevada must be pretty hated right now, I don't know how the building will deal with him.

I'm pretty confused; Antwon really did order the hit on the two cops?

yes. he was sending his half brother to school to learn different languages so that he could be the translator for the russians and all the other drug running orginizations.

Just a couple of episodes Vic (I think) stepped on a guys arm lying on broken glass in order to find a little girl's body. Yesterday they blew a guy up. This season Vic condemned Shane's cigarette smuggling informant to death. He would have killed Antoine is he had the chance. He grilled Armadillo's face in season two, then got him shived.

Oh yeah, the Strike Team knocked off the Armenian mob.

The strike team just plays on that thin line. Even Lem told army in the other episode. They do some fucked up shit and if you can't handle it, get out. They may not be as corrupt as they were in season's 1, 2 and 3. But this season they still walk the line every episode.

I'm not saying Vic is a saint by any means. But not a single one of those guys you mentioned was a "good guy", or even really a neutral guy. Armadillo? The Armenian Mob? Antoine? Those are a helluva lot different than "a fellow cop."

They haven't had to deal with any other undercover rats, though.

We can disagree, but I've seen them do nothing as taboo in my opinion as killing another police officer in cold blood.

I agree. The first episode was all about "shock-value" (I will say it worked for me though!), Vic's character hasn't really lived up to that incident.

Then again, if Vic got alone with Aceveda and knew he could get away with it, he would probably put a slug in Aceveda's face as well. And who knows what he would do to Dutch...

You're right Vic isn't a saint but CM aren't you forgetting something? Think back to season one when Vic and Shane gunned down Terry in cold blood and he was a cop. Vic had no right to tell off Aceveda they way he did.

I believe you misread my posts. I fully remember that, which is why I replied to tsohg's post.

All I have to say is this is my favorite show and I wish Close was sticking around..

Another great episode and I'm next week is the finale already.

Oh well, at least there's the 2nd season of Rescue Me to look forward to.

If you had told me 4 or 5 years ago that my favorite shows would be on FX, I would have probably died laughing. Yet here they are.

My prediction: UPN will be the critical darling 5 years from now.

Another fabulous episode.

Okay after seeing the preview for the finale

they'll probably do a flashback episode at some point that REVEALS TO S THhat the guy vic shot (the guy from homicide) was a pedophile and vic and shane found out so thats why they killed him. the fact that he wasa rat is just bonus

You have to look at it from Vic's POV. The undercover cop was a threat to his team. The thing with bad guys, good guys, whatever, is that they always believe in what they do. Vic might know he's a little dirty, but he probably justifies it by saying it helps keep the streets from turning into a war zone, he needs extra cash for his family (and who cares if he steals it from crooks?), lawyers are scum and sometimes street justice is needed, etc. Vic is after results. This undercover cop threatens to tear all that down. To Vic, the cop is working against him and everything he's tried to accomplish. In effect, the undercover cop snooping around on other cops isn't a real cop. So he ends up being collateral damage. Just like Aceveda seems to be working agaisnt the street cops all the time, so he's not a real cop either. Vic may not like Dutch, but he has no reason to off him since Dutch does his job (though his recent tryst with Vic's ex- complicates matters).

I still find everything totally within Vic's character. If he seems to have mellowed this season, you can chock it up to playing the game. He has a new captain to contend with, the strike team was kaput, Vic was doing bullshit assignments. He had to ingratiate himself with the new captain to try to get the ball rolling again. And it worked! I wouldn't worry too much about Vic Mackey. He can't shoot a cop in the face every season.

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I'm glad they started the series off like that. What we have seen over the course of these four seasons, is that single event following Vic and all other members of the team. Even though they don't mention that incident vocally at this point, when I see certain looks on those characters, especially Lem, I think to myself that they all still feel guilty for getting that deep at that point. I think that's pretty much intentional.

They started with that huge event to both set the tone, and to help evolve all of the main characters. They don't want to get that deep again, they can't get that deep again.

It should be pointed out that Lemonhead and Ronnie weren't involved in Terry's slaying, and to date have no idea that Vic and Shane did it.

A little dirty? A LITTLE dirty??? Vic is so completely dirty that a dip in an acid bath wouldn't scratch the surface. He may have a couple of redeeming features, but that doesn't make up for the the rest.

Let's see, what has he done:
Murder
Drug trafficking (thourgh protection of drug dealers)
Grand larceny
Torture

Just for starters. I enjoy the show and all the characters, but Vic Mackey is pretty low on the list.

I would like to just once see him have to face some consequences for what he does.

You forget that just a few episodes ago, Vic was ready to put Shane down cold. I would definitely classify Shane as "a fellow cop", hell, they're so close they're pretty much brothers.

And strong agreement with the general sentiment about this episode. Very intense stuff. Intense. I think the addition of Glenn Close has had the effect of Michael Chiklis stepping it up a notch this season. I just wish the season were longer.

Yeah but Vic thought it was 'him or me' which is the only reason he'd kill Shane.

Yep. "Fellow cop who has been working worth a murderer, killed a little girl (or so Vic thought), and has now accepted an offer to kill me" is a far cry from "fellow cop who's agreed to investigate police corruption."