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fujishig 04-22-05 11:46 AM


Originally Posted by sinned
Janu = most worthless Survivor contestant ever. How did she get through the audition process? Hell, even that singing old lady that was booted out (not picked) on the first day would have been better.

Based from the previews next week, since what usually happens is always the opposite, I bet Stephanie gets the boot after a failed power play.

I'm sorry, but Osten gives her at least some competition for that "prize."

I would say at least half of this tribe has not proven that they're good Survivor contestants, especially after last week EVERYONE but Tom bailed for the food. Even if they thought they were safe, they weren't exactly starving (except for Steph). I've never seen anything like it, but it definitely brought down my opinion of this tribe, especially after they were so dominant early on.

BDLOU 04-22-05 11:54 AM


Originally Posted by fujishig
I'm sorry, but Osten gives her at least some competition for that "prize."

I would say at least half of this tribe has not proven that they're good Survivor contestants, especially after last week EVERYONE but Tom bailed for the food. Even if they thought they were safe, they weren't exactly starving (except for Steph). I've never seen anything like it, but it definitely brought down my opinion of this tribe, especially after they were so dominant early on.


You have to look a little closer than that. You can't win this game if you don't show some trust to the right people. Otherwise you will have to win all the immunities. Why would anyone in Tom's alliance try to compete with him on this challenge? It just doesn't make sense to get into a battle with the leader of the alliance at this point. It's only going to piss that person off and get a target on your back. The only people that should have tried to win were Coby, Janu and Karyn. Coby has said that he knew he wasn't going to outlast anyone on that thing so he went for the reward. We know Janu can't do anything. I think Karyn felt she was safe because the tribe had other fish to fry.

Patman 04-22-05 04:50 PM

I can't really say I'm on the Steph train. I mean, she's okay, she's focused, but I don't find her gameplay all that interesting or entertaining.

DVD007 04-22-05 08:08 PM


Originally Posted by Phodg
I'm done with Survivor. Even though I thought Steph deserved to stay in more than any of the other girls, Jeff influenced the voting and persuaded Janu to leave. Any credibility the show had with me is shot.
If Steph ends up winning there should be an asterisk by her name. :)

ACTUALLY, Jeff Only said something about the difference of being voted out or quitting AFTER Ian mentioned that Janu or anyone else could quit at anytime....Jeff merely followed the line of questioning....REMEMBER, Tribal Council last about 1 and half hours in REAL TIME....Not just 5 minutes...I'm sure there was a lot not seen.

Bruce

Amel 04-22-05 09:21 PM

The way Tom turned on Steph was very dissappointing. Not a smart move at all. He's gotta be able to see that Greg & Jen are his biggest threats. Hopefully Steph can turn this thing around and start picking these people off. I'm rooting for her all the way.

DRG 04-22-05 09:23 PM

Somehow they're all stupid in some way or another.

Gregg may have been smart for seeing Steph as a threat, but the fact is Tom is THE threat. Gregg was going off about Steph before Tom even won that immunity. Tom is just trying to deflect 'threat' status away from himself.

But Tom is still an idiot for going after Steph instead of Gregg. Seriously... while Steph kicked ass in some challenges, the truth is she still hasn't won a damn thing!

But Steph is also stupid, for basically telling everyone at tribal council how bad she wants it. Yeah, they already think you're a threat. Why not REALLY rub that fact in??? Good lord.

Jim 04-22-05 10:03 PM

Vonner, good call back on page 1 predicting that Janu would quit.

I loved how Jeff messed up Korore's plans by getting Janu to quit. Tom and those guys were going to go back on their word with Steph and now that may cost them. Janu wasn't interesting, Steph is and the producers clearly saw that. Jeff is part of the game and survivors better take that into account.

Denonht 04-22-05 10:28 PM

From IWON.COM: "Viewers didn't see Tornell's concern about whether she would be on the jury if she quit the CBS reality show. After going back and forth for several hours, Tornell said Probst asked for a break in the filming.

"The cameras stopped," said Tornell. "Tribal council got really heated. You guys didn't even get any part of that. (Probst) goes, 'This is off the record. What's going on, Janu? What are you worried about?' And I said, 'Basically, I don't want to lose my place in the jury. I don't know where this takes me."

Tornell said Probst left the tribal council area and consulted with producers. (The three players who quit "Survivor" in previous seasons departed before juries were formed.)

"It was all a new drama situation for everybody involved," said Tornell.

Probst returned and assured Tornell that she wouldn't forfeit her place on the jury by quitting. The cameras started back up, and Tornell did just that."

mookiemeister 04-22-05 10:50 PM

I still don't see how Janu quitting messed up the Koror's plan in any way. Next week, they will still have majority and can vote out Steph. It seems to me that Tom/Ian/Katie are in the group. With Greg and Jenn who will help take them to final 5. So after they vote out Steph next week, Caryn will be next. It doesn't seem there is anything Steph can do to change her fate.

Bludvls33 04-22-05 11:53 PM

It give Steph one more opportunity to win immunity, which she would not have if she had been voted off this week. Imagine if she somehow wins immunity next week (not really out of the question, right?)...then Tom, Ian, and Katie are up against Gregg, Jen, and Karyn. If they vote off the weakest, in Karyn, the next week Steph controls her fate because she is a crucial swing vote between the two smaller alliances. It is only a small opening, but its still 3 more days in the game and a chance to wreak some havoc. :)

Patman 04-23-05 12:13 AM

Maybe the next batch of Survivors will face new rules, as in "you can't 'quit' and must be voted out. Should you feel like you want to be booted, you can campaign to be voted out, but you can't quit arbitrarily. Should you not get the boot, you're free to hang out with the tribe, or go sulk somewhere, but you will not be allowed to quit, but must be booted out by your tribemates." Of course, there are medical reasons that would supercede such a clause (as in burning up your hands, or simply collapsing from dehydration, etc.)

Fok 04-23-05 02:13 AM

I'm rooting for Steph......because she's hot!

lucasorion 04-23-05 09:20 AM


Originally Posted by Patman
Maybe the next batch of Survivors will face new rules, as in "you can't 'quit' and must be voted out. Should you feel like you want to be booted, you can campaign to be voted out, but you can't quit arbitrarily. Should you not get the boot, you're free to hang out with the tribe, or go sulk somewhere, but you will not be allowed to quit, but must be booted out by your tribemates." Of course, there are medical reasons that would supercede such a clause (as in burning up your hands, or simply collapsing from dehydration, etc.)

I don't see how they can setup a "no quit" rule, unless there are no laws against slavery in whatever country they're filming in:).

Goldberg74 04-23-05 09:34 AM

I have a feeling that Tom, Ian, and Katie are goingto recruit Steph and then take out Gregg next week.

Patman 04-23-05 09:52 AM

Well, having one tribe dominate so handily has its fall-out by having dead weight making it to the jury pool, and that's what killed the producers of the show in terms of contestants figuring out they have no shot to win, and would gladly step away from the game.

OldDude 04-23-05 11:53 AM


Originally Posted by lucasorion
I don't see how they can setup a "no quit" rule, unless there are no laws against slavery in whatever country they're filming in:).

Well, the contract could say you have to give 39 days notice to quit. -smile-

GuessWho 04-23-05 12:00 PM

When whatsherface quit All Stars due to "sexual harassment" -- didn't they still have a council vote someone off on that episode?

Graftenberg 04-23-05 01:12 PM


Originally Posted by GuessWho
When whatsherface quit All Stars due to "sexual harassment" -- didn't they still have a council vote someone off on that episode?

When Sue quit I think that they did but at the point that she quit was when they went to a reward challenge. When Jenna quit earlier during All Stars was when they went to an immunity challenge as I remember they did the same challenge the following week where the players were blindfolded and had to get the pieces of a puzzle.

mookiemeister 04-23-05 03:00 PM

I think maybe if the survivors want to quit, they have to inform Jeff. Both Sue and Jenna (from Survivor All-Star) quit without being voted out. But they made the decision to quit during the challenges when Jeff was around. Maybe the reason Janu waited until tribal council to quit was because Jeff wasn't around the camp after the challenge for her to inform that she want to quit?

Dabaomb 04-23-05 08:02 PM


Originally Posted by mookiemeister
I think maybe if the survivors want to quit, they have to inform Jeff. Both Sue and Jenna (from Survivor All-Star) quit without being voted out. But they made the decision to quit during the challenges when Jeff was around. Maybe the reason Janu waited until tribal council to quit was because Jeff wasn't around the camp after the challenge for her to inform that she want to quit?

I don't think she was even thinking about quitting until Jeff brought it up. She wanted to be voted out then Steph made that crying plea and then Janu said that she would quit.

Winky 04-23-05 08:47 PM

off-camera jury uncertainty
 

Originally Posted by BDLOU
I'm saying that she shouldn't be allowed. She quit the game.



Janu Tornell quits `Survivor' amid off-camera jury uncertainty
By DERRIK J. LANG
Associated Press Writer

NEW YORK (AP) — Quitters never win, but if they make it far enough on ``Survivor,'' they get to be on the jury.

Janu Tornell, 39, became the fourth person in ``Survivor'' history to quit the competition, but she'll still help decide the winner of the $1 million prize as a member of the nine-person jury — a heated issue the tribal council cameras didn't capture.

``It wasn't to save Stephenie (LaGrossa) in the game,'' Tornell told The Associated Press Friday. ``It ended up like that. At the same time, it was almost like a power play because I threw a wrench into their game.''
The former Las Vegas showgirl said host Jeff Probst didn't coerce her into departing ``Survivor: Palau,'' although it may have seemed otherwise.
``He aided me,'' said Tornell. ``I was at the point where I thought, `I want to go, but I don't want to jeopardize being part of the jury.' I was still battling with `quitter.' I hate that word. But I did it. I laid down my torch. No regrets whatsoever.''

Viewers didn't see Tornell's concern about whether she would be on the jury if she quit the CBS reality show. After going back and forth for several hours, Tornell said Probst asked for a break in the filming.

``The cameras stopped,'' said Tornell. ``Tribal council got really heated. You guys didn't even get any part of that. (Probst) goes, `This is off the record. What's going on, Janu? What are you worried about?' And I said, `Basically, I don't want to lose my place in the jury. I don't know where this takes me.''

Tornell said Probst left the tribal council area and consulted with producers. (The three players who quit ``Survivor'' in previous seasons departed before juries were formed.)

``It was all a new drama situation for everybody involved,'' said Tornell.
Probst returned and assured Tornell that she wouldn't forfeit her place on the jury by quitting. The cameras started back up, and Tornell did just that.
Now, as a jury member, she'll be on the lookout for the player ``who I thought played the game the best.''

Maxflier 04-23-05 09:52 PM

Why does being on the jury matter so much to her?

Patman 04-23-05 10:26 PM

More air time!!!

mookiemeister 04-23-05 11:16 PM


Originally Posted by Maxflier
Why does being on the jury matter so much to her?

She gets to decide who gets the million dollars. Those people who were jerks to her (Katie, etc...) will probably not get her vote if they end up in the final 2.

atlantamoi 04-23-05 11:25 PM

The challenges in this season have been much more interesting than the past few seasons. Mostly.


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