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Old 04-11-05 | 06:15 AM
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Yep, on the promo during Desperate Housewives you could clearly here "We are the survivors of flight 815."
If this is true, then I will believe. Like I just posted on last week's thread, I do't really believe the soundclip from the comcast page since it sounds like a fan's work.

Does anyone know if it is the same sound clip that is on that page? The one on the comcast page seems to be pretty clean around the statement, with no or little distortion.
Old 04-11-05 | 06:54 AM
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I totally thought boone was a red herring. He was so the obvious choice to die after last weeks episode..that I thought they would shock us.

Oh well.

two shows in a week where you are thinking red herrng..and you get predictiable (24 with AFone getting shot down)
I think he was so obvious to be the 'whacked castaway' that it wasn't obvious at all. Everyone I talked to prior to this episode kept repeating "it can't be Boone, it's too obvious."
Old 04-11-05 | 06:56 AM
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Does anyone remember what kind of operation Jack's dad was performing when he killed his patient? I wondered if it was at all possible that he was working on Jack’s wife. Sometimes back injuries need more operations later and it would explain his desperate need to save her (besides the fact that he seems to need to save everybody). I don’t know why, but I get the impression that Jack’s wife is no longer alive.
There's a scene in the hospital in 'All the Best Cowboy's Have Daddy Issues' showing the husband of that patient. This is a very interesting theory but has too many holes in it that we can explain away with backstory.
Old 04-11-05 | 06:57 AM
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Really?

Every poll I've seen on this, the majority didn't know.

This thread seems to be leaning that way as well based on those saying whether they know or not.
I'm willing to bet that the writers did their research of these types of polls and made the ratio of people who knew their blood types to the ones who didn't match the statistics accurately.
Old 04-11-05 | 07:00 AM
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It isn't a debate at all. It's just about the head count that Jack made when he told the Pilot how many survivors there were. Whether or not the baby was counted by Jack could be a debate but not anything to do with an unborn child counting as alive or not.
Correct. If you count the unborn baby as a survivor now, he'd have been counted as a survivor initially.
Old 04-11-05 | 08:47 AM
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So Jack was willing to cover for his father killing his wife UNTIL he found out she was pregnant? Bull
Old 04-11-05 | 09:24 AM
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If this is true, then I will believe. Like I just posted on last week's thread, I do't really believe the soundclip from the comcast page since it sounds like a fan's work.

Does anyone know if it is the same sound clip that is on that page? The one on the comcast page seems to be pretty clean around the statement, with no or little distortion.

I don't know about Comcast, but in the promo they said "We are the survivors..." I replayed it about 5 times in a row to verify it and not "there are no survivors..."
Old 04-11-05 | 09:40 AM
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I don't know about Comcast, but in the promo they said "We are the survivors..." I replayed it about 5 times in a row to verify it and not "there are no survivors..."
I heard this promo last night during Desperate Housewives as well. It is clear that the response is "We..." and the inflection is even on the "We" so that you can tell the person responding is incredulous. I was surprised when I heard this. During the initial airing of the episode it sounded more garbled, but in the commercial it was very clear.
Old 04-11-05 | 10:07 AM
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There's a scene in the hospital in 'All the Best Cowboy's Have Daddy Issues' showing the husband of that patient. This is a very interesting theory but has too many holes in it that we can explain away with backstory.
Thanks, I couldn't remember. I didn't think that it was likely, but I still get the impression that something happened to Jack's wife. At least that they are no longer together.
Old 04-11-05 | 12:51 PM
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I heard this promo last night during Desperate Housewives as well. It is clear that the response is "We..." and the inflection is even on the "We" so that you can tell the person responding is incredulous. I was surprised when I heard this. During the initial airing of the episode it sounded more garbled, but in the commercial it was very clear.
I didn't see the promo on DH, but in the original airing, Locke shouts out to Boone during the crucial portion of the sentence "[Locke shouts "get out now!"]...survivors of Oceanic flight 815." and to me, it sounds as though it could have gone either way ("There were no..." or "We are the..."). Was Locke's shout to Boone in the promo as loud and/or clear as the original airing? I didn't think the voice in the radio transmission was that incredulous; in fact, it seemed flat as though giving a weather report and NOT as though it was talking to someone that didn't exist as would be the case in either interpretation of the statement.

EDIT: I've listened to the mp3 section over and over (bored much?) and have now decided that the voice does in fact say "We're the survivors...", but what is with the inflection?? There's just nothing there as though the person making the transmission has done the same transmission MANY times before or the transmitter is a professional, like a pilot or air traffic controller.

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Old 04-11-05 | 05:40 PM
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If you listen to the way the statment is made, the inflection (to me) is almost snotty - as if the person responding is calling Boone a liar.

I do believe that this may become the most analyzed piece of "tape" since the Zapruder film.
Old 04-11-05 | 05:54 PM
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I would have sworn that they radio broadcast originally said, There are no survivors of flight 815. I think the closed captioning said that as well but I did see the promo last night and it said, we are the survivors of flight 815.
Let's see, we saw the middle part of the plane on the beach and the front part in the pilot episode. Could it be the rear of the plane on the other side of the island?

I read the Entertainment Weekly article and it is good to know that they are going to start giving us some answers. I think they people were starting to get a bit pissed with all the questions and no answers. They hoped that people would be happy with the answers or else they would have to adjust again.

It's kind of a stretch for Jack to blame Locke for his death, but it seems to be enough for Jack not to trust him. (Of course, Locke would also have a good alibi for keeping the information about the plane secret because of the heroin. Wouldn't want Charlie -- or anyone else who might be tempted -- to know about the giant stash on the island.)
The only reason Locke kept this info as well as the hatch secret is because he has said several times he loves the island. I dont think he wants to leave and if he tells people what he has discovered, they may find ways to get off. The question is, did Locke help seal Boone's fate by talking to the Island(or hatch) saying, " I have done what you told me to do".... After that, the hatch lit up.

Any idea who Daniel Roebuck will be playing?

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Old 04-11-05 | 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by riley_dude
I would have sworn that they radio broadcast originally said, There are no survivors of flight 815. I think the closed captioning said that as well but I did see the promo last night and it said, we are the survivors of flight 815.
Let's see, we saw the middle part of the plane on the beach and the front part in the pilot episode. Could it be the rear of the plane on the other side of the island?
The black woman (can't remember her name) did say that she knew her husband, who was in the back of the plane, was alive. Of course everyone (everyone being the viewers) just thought she was in denial, if not delusional. We haven't seen her since - what - like the 2nd or 3 episode I bet. She must've been on to something...

Originally Posted by SMB-IL
]I didn't see the promo on DH, but in the original airing, Locke shouts out to Boone during the crucial portion of the sentence "[Locke shouts "get out now!"]...survivors of Oceanic flight 815." and to me, it sounds as though it could have gone either way ("There were no..." or "We are the..."). Was Locke's shout to Boone in the promo as loud and/or clear as the original airing? I didn't think the voice in the radio transmission was that incredulous; in fact, it seemed flat as though giving a weather report and NOT as though it was talking to someone that didn't exist as would be the case in either interpretation of the statement.

EDIT: I've listened to the mp3 section over and over (bored much?) and have now decided that the voice does in fact say "We're the survivors...", but what is with the inflection?? There's just nothing there as though the person making the transmission has done the same transmission MANY times before or the transmitter is a professional, like a pilot or air traffic controller.
I don't know what MP3 you're listening to - ep or promo? Either way, I saw the promo once and that's what it sounded like to me. I could be wrong. My memory has been known to play tricks on me . As to whether Locke was shouting in the promo, I don't recall hearing him. So that might be the answer to your question right there. I knew in the ep I couldn't make out what the voice said on the radio but I couldn't remember why. In the commercial they must've taken Locke's voice out or something.
Old 04-11-05 | 06:22 PM
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6 pages and 237 replies later, i'd just like to say that I didn't care for this episode.

Not because it wasn't good, but because the LONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG pauses between the shows killed any sort of momentum of feeling that I should've felt once Boone got the axe.

Other than that, let's hope Abrams & co. start with the answers ala last night's Desperate Housewives..
Old 04-11-05 | 10:02 PM
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6 pages and 237 replies later, i'd just like to say that I didn't care for this episode.

Not because it wasn't good, but because the LONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG pauses between the shows killed any sort of momentum of feeling that I should've felt once Boone got the axe.

Other than that, let's hope Abrams & co. start with the answers ala last night's Desperate Housewives..
I feel ya there. We get a 6 week break from the show, then get 2 new weeks, now we get another 3-4 week break? So that is about 2 new episodes in a 10 week span. Sad.
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Ok can we get a Master list of all outstanding questions/mysteries in the show to date ?
Old 04-12-05 | 01:29 AM
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I thought Boone was an interesting character, one of the most complicated characters on the whole island. Smart to pair up with locke to find out how to survive on the island. Killing him off killed me on the show. I'm done with it. The show is not going anywhere, literally and figuratively. I know the rest of you will yell at me now but eventually you'll see it too...
I don't think anyone's going to yell at you, more like "Okey-dokey, thanks for sharing, don't let the door hit you on the bum on the way out!"
Old 04-12-05 | 01:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Michael Corvin
The reason I think this is because Jack's dad was unusually perky in the flashback. Not the hardened, "I hate my life" drunk from previous flashbacks. So I definitely think it was further back than previous flashbacks. Possibly putting it in line with Locke's timeframe.
Yeah, I saw it as farther back that previous flashbacks also, if only because Jack and his Dad are getting along. Seems like after Jack blows the whistle on his Dad's drinking, their relationship is over, his Dad ends up in Australia, etc. This must've been before all that happened.


Originally Posted by LilyLilyRose
Does anyone remember what kind of operation Jack's dad was performing when he killed his patient? I wondered if it was at all possible that he was working on Jack’s wife.
Nope, because in that flashback, Jack saw his Dad talking to "the patient's husband" in the hallway (he asked a nurse or someone who it was, they said it was the patient's husband). The whole episode wasn't consistent with it being someone either Jack or his Dad knew personally.
Old 04-12-05 | 01:45 AM
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Alright, I [Locke]aefafefeffnlyeafdf[/Locke] got a chance to catch this.

With Sawyer's sidestory last time with the glasses, they should have shown him at least once with them on, like quickly tearing them off as someone's walking by or something.

During the next to ending sequence when the music was playing, I think I got some dust in my eye.

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I guess there's no way to know whether or not Jack counted the baby as an additional survivor. IMO, Jack, as a doctor, would have counted Claire + baby.
OK, just to throw a monkey-wrench into that line of thinking: the airline would look at Claire + baby as one passenger, not two...
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ABC will air a one-hour "introductory guide" to Lost... will focus on the characters ... and retell their respective backstories in a linear fashion.
OK, cool, so maybe we'll get an idea of what happened when?
Old 04-12-05 | 01:53 AM
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I think the world would have imploded if the tat on Jack's arm was "45"

Old 04-12-05 | 07:03 AM
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Ok can we get a Master list of all outstanding questions/mysteries in the show to date ?
Here's a start, hasn't been updated in a while though.

http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=405072
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What happened to Jack's Mom? Wasn't she in one of the flashbacks?
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Yes, Jack's mom was in the one where his dad ran off to Australia. She forced him to go after him.

We haven't seen or heard anything else about her since.


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