shit, just did a Google search......It appears that there are 2 Dates....2159 and 2161....my book says 2159....


Edit: Never minds, my books is out of date......

Well, the weekend numbers are tabulated and make up the GAA rating for the show, which includes every airing in a week at any time. UPN gets these numbers and I hope they take them into consideration. One site I know has some from Voyager and most of the time the GAA number was at least 40% higher than the regular airing.

I liked the fleet of Vulcan, Andorian and Tellarite ships with the Enterprise with the Federation logo overlayed. But I agree that the promo wasn't that great. They should have pushed more of the Romulan angle.

Good episode. Looks like a promising arc. The Tellarittes are great.

One geek continuity question - I thought in TOS, the Romulans did not have warp technology (until the Klingon alliance), however, that ship appeared to be equipped with it. I suppose it could be explained that they did not figure out how to do warp drive with manned ships.

the romulan warp thing was never really clear. Scotty says they have simple impulse or something like that, but he could have just meant that at that point their warp engines were down and they could only move at impulse speed. Also romulans(at least in tng) don't use anti matter for their warp engine power source so that might have thrown him off too
frankly I don't buy that they could have an empire without warp

Perhaps, they could not warp+cloak in Balance of Terror? I'll try not to overthink it.

It's also stated in a TOS episode that the Earth-Romulan War was fought with sublight ships and atomic weapons, so who the fuck knows.

I'm not going to care as long as they follow the spirit of TOS continuity, when it's not clear. TOS had its own share of continuity problems, and they weren't designing the show with a franchise in mind.

Yeah, I think this is what was intended. Since the cloak required so much energy it made it impossible for them to have warp drive.

well I'm late to the thread because I just saw the ep and I have a big problem with this new Romulan technology.

If the Romulans were the only ones capable of fighting wars with remote controlled ships, they should have been able to defeat everybody else easily. For now I'll have to assume that they will later explain that the Romulans stole the technology (and the owners take it back) or some serious computer problem causes a major breakdown forcing them to drop it.

Also, this kind of technolgy wasn't even available in in the era of TNG, so they've got some explaining to do.

I still enjoyed the ep though.

Oh yeah, I totally forgot about that.

Well, since it looks like the ship is being controlled by whoever is in that weird helmet thing, it might be he is a special Romulan or something. I agree that they can't just leave this arc without either explaining how that thing works or having it ultimately fail, forcing them to abandon its use.

I was thinking he is a Reman.

I didn't think of that. I just hope that whoever he is, he's like a special person, so if he dies they can't continue the project. That would make it fit better into continuity.

Well, I had a few small problems with this episode:

--the story structure was pretty similiar to "Journey to Babel" with the races coming together on the Enterprise to head to Babel for peace talks and an outside race is doing what it can to stop those talks.
--The remote-control Romulan tech needs to be wrapped up in a way they'll never use it again.
--I actually thought the end "reveal" was pretty obvious. It fit perfectly in with not actually seeing a Romulan.
--Minor quibble: Romulan architecture hasn't changed much in 200 years.

Despite all these, this was a pretty great (for Enterprise) episode. Especially when Combs is involved. Nice to finally have some "fleshing out" of the Tellerites. It was previously mentioned the Andorians were there for the trial scene in STIV, I believe Tellerites were present as well.

show is getting good.

which means cancellation.

What is this "arc" everyone keeps talking about?

Enterprise has been doing most of their stories this season in three-episode "arcs": The augment arc, the Vulcan arc, and now the Tellarite/Andorian arc.

an arc is a storyline that spans a few episodes or more...a continuation.

Arc (n): When the producers lose track of the "reset button" for a few episodes. An "arc" ends when the button is finally pressed, typically during its third episode.

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I guess since it looks like it's the Romulan capital (since it has the Romulan senate structure in the center), it's conceivable that the design ethic has remained the same. I'm not sure, but hasn't Washington, D.C. remained pretty similar (at least in the past 100 years or so), except for the occasional adding of monuments.

...They're probably using stock footage from Star Trek: Nemisis for the romulan capitol

Even beyond the adding of monuments, the Washington of today likely looks far different than it did 100 years ago. The only similarities are the existence of the WH and Capitol and the insane street layout.

If I am not mistaken the date is 2161, as, I believe Counselor Troi mentioned in one TNG episode in reference to "Federation Day". It may have been in "All Good Things...", but I'm not positive.

"The Outcast"

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I don't get too hung up on canon. Reading Star Trek books taught me to mainly enjoy it rather than always make sense of it. However....I still get pissed off to this day when the Phoenix goes to warp in First Contact despite the fact that there were no inertial dampeners yet.

And even when canon is messed with, there is ususally some asinine explanation I can think of that calms me down. Except for that damn inertial dampener thing.....