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LorenzoL 12-08-04 08:11 PM

Holy Moly!!!

Just when they were starting to wipe off the dirt away, it fades to black.

treszoks 12-08-04 08:12 PM

:jawdrop:

This show is freaking awesome. Just when you think it couldn't get any better, it does. What is the REAL secret on the island? Who is "they" and why would they want Claire, or more likely, Claire's baby?

Good thing Charlie didn't die for good on his birthday! That would have dampered the mood. So is this the "death" of a major character by the writers or whatever or will someone die for good next time?

LorenzoL 12-08-04 08:13 PM


Originally Posted by mverleg1
I was going to be impressed if ABC had managed to kill off Charlie AND keep it a secret. I would have had a whole new respect for ABC

It will have made sense if they did that. It will have been one of the best kept secret, especially nowadays.

Rogue588 12-08-04 08:14 PM


Originally Posted by mverleg1
I was going to be impressed if ABC had managed to kill off Charlie AND keep it a secret. I would have had a whole new respect for ABC

In today's day and age, most DEFINITELY.

However, i'm glad he's still alive.

lwhy? 12-08-04 08:18 PM

Great ep tonight. This is one if not the best drama on tv right now. Was Jack beating on Charlie's chest with the one hand to shock his heart? It is going to be a long three weeks.

LorenzoL 12-08-04 08:21 PM

And what the heck was the thing that Locke and Boone were cleaning away??? Wreckage? An underground lair?

As soon as they starting tapping the steel, for some reason I kept thinking about an underground lair and the "Island of Dr. Moreau". Wouldn't surprise me if its a lab or medical center. The French woman being part of a scientific expedition, people getting sick and "they" wanting a healthy newborn it leads me to think that this is where the show is going.

On the other hand, I could be totally wrong but so far this looks like the likely scenario to me...

johnglass 12-08-04 08:23 PM

:grunt: :mad:

God I'm so fucking pissed he survived. This would have been the best episode of any show *ever* if they would have let Charlie stay dead.

Merkin Muffley 12-08-04 08:24 PM


Originally Posted by Link_182
Anyone else reminded of The Abyss though?

Absolutely. That's the first thing I thought of.

Sure, it's a little cliche, but I would have missed his character. So I'll let it slide...this time.

Patman 12-08-04 08:47 PM

Well, at least we have some reason why Jack would not quit on Charlie due to the painful flashbacks of Jack having to tank his father's medical career because of his alcoholism issues. Add that to Jack having all sorts of regret and remorse from his father committing suicide due to the aftermath of losing his medical license, his "life" in a sense. So confronted with losing Charlie, Jack just keeps pounding on Charlie's chest in hopes of reviving his heart, and damn if it didn't work. Now, the writers could have easily just let Charlie die, and it would have been one of the greatest anti-marketing schemes at work since there have been many interviews and articles of the producers telling the viewers that Dominic Monaghan is far too popular to kill off, and yet if they wanted to, they could have easily done it and shocked the Lost faithful.

Notice how quickly Locke and Boone forget about finding Claire and Ethan once they uncover a new mystery with the steel enclosure in the ground?

I think Hurley could very well be well off (his comment to Walt, I think, is meant to be taken at face value, re: the $20,000 bet in a game of backgammon). Or maybe not.

So Boone runs a subsidiary of his mother's matrimony empire. Locke tells Boone that he works for a place that makes boxes.

Nice little "real" moment between Kate and Jack, even after Jack earlier just wanted people to have a fresh start, but 3 weeks on the island, and he finds that no one can escape their past entirely.

The Sawyer-Sayid exchange opened the door for a little less in terms of antagonism.

movielib 12-08-04 08:58 PM


Originally Posted by Link_182
...
Anyone else reminded of The Abyss though?

Absolutely. Exactly what I was thinking. All the while Jack was trying to save him, not just when he succeeded. He wouldn't give up, just like Ed Harris. :up:

Keith123 12-08-04 09:06 PM


Originally Posted by johnglass
:grunt: :mad:

God I'm so fucking pissed he survived. This would have been the best episode of any show *ever* if they would have let Charlie stay dead.

Yep! Too bad this shocking scene was reduced to a "He was dead but he got better" joke.

Merkin Muffley 12-08-04 09:09 PM


Originally Posted by johnglass
This would have been the best episode of any show *ever* if they would have let Charlie stay dead.

The finale of Season 1 of "24"...enough said.

johnglass 12-08-04 09:21 PM


Originally Posted by Merkin Muffley
The finale of Season 1 of "24"...enough said.

Exactly- it would have had the hard hitting impact of the major character being killed off without anyone knowing it was going to happen (except I think Lost is a much better show therefore it would have been a better episode).

Instead they reduced it to a fucking soap opera cliche.

Still one of my favorite shows on TV, but this just knocked it down a notch for me.

aktick 12-08-04 09:39 PM

Wasn't Danielle holding Sayid in a room with a steel hatch something like the one Locke and Boone found?

gnradd21 12-08-04 09:41 PM

I'm glad Charlie lived, because he's one of my favorite characters. If he'd died, there'd be 14-year olds protesting outside ABC studios in the morning. And the 22-year old female writing this post would not be pleased either :D So let's just go with it folks. Jack was redeemed (if you call it that) by saving him and now maybe we won't see Zombie Dad anymore.

As far as the secret cave/tunnel/lair/tomb that Boone and Locke uncovered, as long as it doesn't resemble Al Capone's vault once they open it up I'll be happy. If this ends up being one of those cliffhangers that doesn't pan out, after it's built up so big, I'll be pissed. But I have to say that this was one of my favorite first seasons of any show I've ever seen. I can't wait for next year!!

B.A. 12-08-04 09:42 PM


Originally Posted by mverleg1
I was going to be impressed if ABC had managed to kill off Charlie AND keep it a secret. I would have had a whole new respect for ABC

So was I - that's why I was hoping Jack wouldn't miraculously bring him back.

Demontooth 12-08-04 09:44 PM

Maybe he was only "mostly dead", Because once he's all dead it's over.

Geofferson 12-08-04 09:45 PM


Originally Posted by movielib
Absolutely. Exactly what I was thinking. All the while Jack was trying to save him, not just when he succeeded. He wouldn't give up, just like Ed Harris. :up:

:lol: I was thinking the same as well.

Good ep tonight. :up:

aktick 12-08-04 09:47 PM

I wish they would've just revived Charlie right away, to make it more believable. I don't see the point in dragging it on like that. Plus, wouldn't he have some heavy brain damage after being "dead" so long? Either way, I still love the show, but I could do without Jack's "real" life footage.

B.A. 12-08-04 09:48 PM

I wish they had the balls to kill him off. That's one of the things I love about Third Watch - they don't blink when it comes to killing off a major character w/out any warning.

Great episode. Got to see and learn more about Kate. A little more background revealed in regards to Boone and John. Sayid and Sawyer met for the first time since the incident.

rabbit77 12-08-04 10:12 PM

Great episode tonight, right behind Walkabout.

Hey, just curious... does das Monkey watch this show? I noticed he's never posted in these threads.

DocBrass 12-08-04 10:59 PM

hmmm....theory of the week
UFO landed on the island. :beer:
THEY hunt animals and THEY gathered dinosaurs and polar bears for the island. :beer::beer:
Ethan is one of THEM. :beer::beer::beer:
THEY eat babies and kidnapped Claire.
-confused-
-screwy- oh well. worth a shot.

superdeluxe 12-08-04 11:07 PM


Originally Posted by johnglass
:grunt: :mad:

God I'm so fucking pissed he survived. This would have been the best episode of any show *ever* if they would have let Charlie stay dead.

The creator already said that Charlie is not going to die...do you really want to piss off the legion of hobbit fans that only started to watch it because of Dominic?

That being said...I was thinking to myself..wow...Abrams sure has some big balls if he killed of charlie.

cdoug57 12-08-04 11:12 PM

Very intriguing episode.

"They" wanted her. Experimentation???

The door does seem similar to what Danielle opened to go out. Part of the lab from the ship?

Sawyer and Sayid nearly making up? Sawyer almost acting human?

Always with the suprises.

Gonna be a long three weeks.

hahn 12-08-04 11:12 PM

I was thinking that they could have "killed" him off and then brought him back at the very end of the season, with the explanation that he was injected with some drug that slowed down his metabolism enough to make him appear dead. Abrams did it in Alias
Spoiler:
with Sloan's wife
, so I thought it could have been done here.


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