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Old 08-13-04 | 05:45 PM
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I'm surprised Kilborn would leave since it is high paying and a good gig. It's not like he has a ton of experience writing or producing (although producing is a pretty general term)
Old 08-13-04 | 06:33 PM
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I'm surprised Kilborn would leave since it is high paying and a good gig. It's not like he has a ton of experience writing or producing (although producing is a pretty general term)
He's really not well respected in what he does. He never gets Emmy nods and I'm surprised he gets the audience he does. Probably only because he makes a point of trying to book "hot chicks" every night of the week. I would think it would wear on a guy to be the joke of late night, especially with Kimmel on now. Leno is even worse, but he has a huge, mostly old fan base and he gets the best guests day in and day out because they all live there and want to be promoting their movies or cds on the Tonight Show, despite how awful Jay is as the host.

Kilborn is tight with a lot of the Old School/Dodgeball/Starsky & Hutch guys and he might have some better luck writing with them and making more movies. I'm sure he's met a lot of people at Hef's place, so he will certainly have the chance at doing things right away.

He's so awful at the talk show, why not do the other stuff now and not keep being the worst late night talk show host in most people's eyes?
Old 08-13-04 | 06:44 PM
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He's so awful at the talk show, why not do the other stuff now and not keep being the worst late night talk show host in most people's eyes?
Mainly cause he gets paid, and paid well. He may suck at it, but as you mentioned, Leno isn' lighting it up any better. Just stick around and Kilborn can be the next Leno. Leaving a guaranteed paycheck for dreams of writing and producing seem pretty far-fetched. He may be well known and have contacts, but he's got no real experience. I just get the feeling he will be begging for a job in a few years (although there's always Sportscasting)
Old 08-13-04 | 07:33 PM
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Mainly cause he gets paid, and paid well. He may suck at it, but as you mentioned, Leno isn' lighting it up any better. Just stick around and Kilborn can be the next Leno. Leaving a guaranteed paycheck for dreams of writing and producing seem pretty far-fetched. He may be well known and have contacts, but he's got no real experience. I just get the feeling he will be begging for a job in a few years (although there's always Sportscasting)
You may be right, but Wilson, Stiller, and Vaugh seem to find ways to always take care of their buddies. He might as well try, he's made a lot of money, and he can probably coast for a long time playing around with "producing" and "acting" and writing. He actually might have some talent for writing, so no quotes for that. Again, he can always fall back on Sportscenter if he runs out of money. I wish that I had this guy's choices, especially since I can't seem to find anything he does anything but obnoxious.
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Kilborn out? Hello insomnia!
Old 08-14-04 | 02:32 PM
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My impression was always that Kilborn was the Maxim Magazine of the talk shows. I never gave the show much of a chance though becuse it was up against Conan.

I'm surprised CBS even offered him another deal since he's started losing in the ratings to Kimmel. It looks like Kimmel might be sticking around, which is good.
Old 08-14-04 | 03:11 PM
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Why Oh Why was I so naive enough when I opened this thread that all of the Conan nerds wouldn't be bashing Kilborn? He's not as terrible as you fanboys are boasting. But than again being a Cub fan I naturally think the Cardinals suck because of our natural rivalry. (even though in real life they are one of the best teams this year) What did he have, like a 35%-39% ratings increase. And I especially love the frat boy jab, way to let everyone know your true geekdom.

Besides that asinine generalization, why do people hate him so much? my only guess is because of his arrogant sense of humor, which he definately had on his ESPN days, which of course everyone here is lauding him for. So i really don't get it. Or maybe it is because of all the beautiful women he has as guests. what's wrong with that? jealousy? Point is quite a few people find him funny, i mean would you rather have Tom Snyder back?

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Old 08-14-04 | 04:01 PM
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Originally posted by rocketsauce
Why Oh Why was I so naive enough when I opened this thread that all of the Conan nerds wouldn't be bashing Kilborn? He's not as terrible as you fanboys are boasting. But than again being a Cub fan I naturally think the Cardinals suck because of our natural rivalry. (even though in real life they are one of the best teams this year) What did he have, like a 35%-39% ratings increase. And I especially love the frat boy jab, way to let everyone know your true geekdom.

Besides that asinine generalization, why do people hate him so much? my only guess is because of his arrogant sense of humor, which he definately had on his ESPN days, which of course everyone here is lauding him for. So i really don't get it. Or maybe it is because of all the beautiful women he has as guests. what's wrong with that? jealousy? Point is quite a few people find him funny, i mean would you rather have Tom Snyder back?
Relax, G.

I loved Kilborn on Sportscenter and The Daily Show. I love Conan, too.

I just thought Kilborn's talk show always was lame. Lame guests, lame writing, even a lame set. I dont' know if this was Craig's fault, but I could never get through an entire episode. He was also was often kind of a dick to his guests which is a turn off for me. I'm glad he's persuing other ventures.
Old 08-14-04 | 04:43 PM
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Originally posted by rocketsauce
Why Oh Why was I so naive enough when I opened this thread that all of the Conan nerds wouldn't be bashing Kilborn?
Maybe because it's true? Kilborn is just too smug and takes himself too seriously. The times I've watched it, he seems to think he's a comedic genius. He's not. Conan has the ability to laugh at himself, and to not take himself so seriously.

I hope Conan doesn't go anywhere, but I will follow him where ever he goes.
Old 08-14-04 | 04:46 PM
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I think Kilborn's show was ok. He did good interviews, or maybe I just thought so because he always seemed to be interviewing a hot chick in a low cut top.

Still I rarely watched except when flipping around during Conan commercials.
Old 08-14-04 | 07:07 PM
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Good riddance, the only one worse than him is Leno
Thank you! Bring back Tom Snyder, assuming he's still alive.
Old 08-14-04 | 09:00 PM
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Conan has said on Late Night with Bob Costas that he want's the 11:30 slot and he surely wasn't needing to stay at NBC.
Old 08-14-04 | 09:23 PM
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Hmm. I don't know if the show has been getting better or if I've just finally gotten used to it, but I've started enjoying it recently.

He was a strange choice for talk show host because even on The Daily Show he was bad at interviews. 5 Questions was a perfect crutch for him & it's still often my favorite part of the current show. He was watchable on The Daily Show because he was good at being a self-important anchorman who could toss off snarky comments & half an hour wasn't too much to get sick of him. I hated The Late Late Show when it started because it was just Craig & he didn't seem at all interested in entertaining people or talking to his guests. It was just a pointless waste of time for everyone. No band. No sidekick. Not even an announcer. It was a vacuum show. I hated when he was doing the announcing himself. I couldn't change the channel fast enough. It was a really good move putting the producer & some of the writers on screen. They're not necessarily hilarious, but can be entertaining & it humanizes the show.

I've been liking the laid back style lately. There have been some good moments. The taped piece talking to the Morrissey fans in line was hilarious. Carl Reiner's recent guest spot as the asexual father was the funniest he's been in 20 years.

Conan's good, but I've gotten kind of tired of him. He can be as annoyingly eager to please as Leno - always jumping around & being an idiot - or making the guest repeat something said because he thinks it should get a bigger reaction. He steers the conversations to himself over & over again. I'm really sick of hearing about his big Irish-Catholic family & need for attention. He's always going on about that stuff.

& a problem I have with most talk shows these days- the overuse of announcers. Bill Wendell was great & used just enough. Don Pardo is great. You never see him. I'd be really happy to never see Late Show's Alan or Late Night's Joel ever again. They don't make me laugh. They frighten me.
Old 08-15-04 | 02:29 AM
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he seems to think he's a comedic genius. He's not.
Agreed. 100%. Proven by the fact that he is leaving to try writing and producing.

I'm not a Conan fanboy, I don't like him either. But watching Kilborn was kind of like fingernails on a chalkboard. He is/was too into himself. Also, he was always drooling all over his female guests like he was god's gift to women. Sad really. Good riddance.
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Old 08-15-04 | 08:20 PM
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Old 08-15-04 | 11:55 PM
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I don't think Kilborn was too bad. I enjoyed his show when it started awhilea go. But he was getting pretty drowned by Conan. I'd be interested to see where he goes from here.
Old 08-18-04 | 07:11 AM
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I just saw on CNN that there is "buzz" that they may go with a woman and the name at the top of the list is Amy Sedaris.

It was odd, though, because they all said how great she would be and that she was the perfect New York kind of person and yet I would think CBS would want to keep the Late Late Show in LA to get the Hollywood guests.

There is already too much in NYC. Conan and Stewart are always getting Letterman's guests a day or so later as it is.

Amy would be great, I think they also said Worldwide Pants is producing some new Strangers with Candy project and Dave clearly loves Amy. She'd be great, but would she go to LA?I also think celebrities really like her. Let's face it, other than a few people, and models Kilborn met at the Playboy mansion, there weren't a lot of big name celebs who wanted to even go on his show.

One of the panelists mentioned Tina Fey, but I think she has a lot going for her in movies now to try and do a late night talk show.

Bonnie Hunt would be good too if they really want a woman, but, again, she makes plenty of movies when she's free, so I'm not sure she'd want to do it. But she does live in LA and is also very good friends with Letterman.

So, what do you think of the Late Late Show with Amy Sedaris AND, if it happens, should it be in LA or NYC?
Old 08-18-04 | 10:58 AM
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I'd love to see it coming out of LA, but with Kimmel out here now i wouldn't care as much as i would have a couple years ago.
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I find it hard to believe anybody could actually watch this guy. I don't know anything about how well he did on the Daily Show, because I never had a chance to see him in that spot. Everyone seems to agree that he was good on that show. But he absolutely sucked on the Late Late show. I tried watching it a couple of times when Conan was doing a rerun and I couldn't finish one episode. I have NO DOUBT that John Stewart could do a better job than that.

If they put Conan and Stewart on CBS, I think Jay would need to start worrying a little. Jay has a loyal fanbase but he's not as funny as either of these 2 guys.
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So, what do you think of the Late Late Show with Amy Sedaris AND, if it happens, should it be in LA or NYC?
Interesting. Sedaris is funny, but I don't know if she has the stamina to do an hour long show 4-5 times a week. I haven't seen enough of her, especially outside of a scripted environment, to know if she can think on her feet and get out that much show.

I agree with you that is should definitely be an LA show. LA is the place to be for these types of shows and CBS would be shooting them self in the foot by limiting their two late shows to just NY guests.

I don't know if Tina Fey could hack it. Co-hosting a 5-10 minute heavily scripted segment once a week doesn't prove she has what it takes. She has been a write on SNL for some time though, so perhaps some insiders know her work and think she is capable.

Bonnie Hunt could work. Not as a 'good show' by my standards, but for a ratings move. A show headed by Hunt would be like the Rosie show, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, if they want to counter-program to Conan's audience and go after older/female viewers. I don't know how compatible that would be with Dave's leadin audience and Kilborn's current audience wouldn't stick around either.
Old 08-19-04 | 11:01 AM
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Tina Fey has a background in improv, so she may be a decent choice, but I'd definately want Amy Sedaris more as her appearances on Conan/Letterman are always great.
Old 08-19-04 | 03:34 PM
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Interesting. Sedaris is funny, but I don't know if she has the stamina to do an hour long show 4-5 times a week. I haven't seen enough of her, especially outside of a scripted environment, to know if she can think on her feet and get out that much show.



I don't know if Tina Fey could hack it. Co-hosting a 5-10 minute heavily scripted segment once a week doesn't prove she has what it takes. She has been a write on SNL for some time though, so perhaps some insiders know her work and think she is capable.

Bonnie Hunt could work. Not as a 'good show' by my standards, but for a ratings move. A show headed by Hunt would be like the Rosie show, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, if they want to counter-program to Conan's audience and go after older/female viewers. I don't know how compatible that would be with Dave's leadin audience and Kilborn's current audience wouldn't stick around either.
You think Bonnie would be like Rosie? No, no, no. She is very funny, quick on her feet, and has a very dirty mind. Just because she calls Letterman "sweetie" doesn't mean she'd be like Rosie. She also wouldn't give her audience gifts/bribes for showing up or burst into show tunes every night.

Amy has the stamina, but she's really quirky, so I wonder if an audience that might tune in to watch her might grow tired of her stories about her rabbit and her imaginary boyfriend. I think if Dave gives her the right producer she'd be great. She's got a pipeline of funny friends like Steven Colbert who'd probably be able to help her assemble some great writers.

Tina Fey would just be hot. And there's nothing wrong with just being hot.
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Thank God....i can't stand that smarmy no-talent smug asshat.....I have never understood why he has a show.


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