Big Brother 4 - The Ex Factor (Thread III)
#301
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Originally posted by dolphinboy
I guarantee that Alison will win. You can bet the house on it.
How can I be so sure? Do I have a private line into the jury house? Am I psychic?
No...and no.
But I can't stand Alison at all. She is a skank and the most annoying person in the history of the world. I can't stand her, she makes my colon ache, my head pound, and my ears bleed.
Nothing in the world would make me more unhappy than Alison winning the 500k, therefore, I can tell you all confidently, that she WILL win.
I guarantee that Alison will win. You can bet the house on it.
How can I be so sure? Do I have a private line into the jury house? Am I psychic?
No...and no.
But I can't stand Alison at all. She is a skank and the most annoying person in the history of the world. I can't stand her, she makes my colon ache, my head pound, and my ears bleed.
Nothing in the world would make me more unhappy than Alison winning the 500k, therefore, I can tell you all confidently, that she WILL win.
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Another thing Ali has going for her is her ability to lie. Sounds ridiculous, but it's true. Did you notice her final words to Robert? That was utter BS, but it was so obvious that Rob believed every word. Ali has a great ability to butter people up and manipulate them. When the two speak before the jury, Ali will have the tears flowing and appear humble and gracious, everything she is NOT in reality, and the jury will believe her (except for Dana maybe). Jun will just come across as a cocky bitch like always. Ali is smart enough to hide her conceitedness. But Jun won't care when Ali wins. All Jun wants is for a female to win so all the "boys" out there will be defeated. Yaaaaay, Girl power! Jun has issues.
#303
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Originally posted by taa455
Gotta disagree. I think Alison will win. People will vote for her because she had the guts to screw people, and she was strong both physically and mentally in many of the competitions. They will rationalize voting for Ali because she "deserves" it more. Jun just coasted through letting others do the dirty work, as you said.
Here is how I see it:
Nathan, Justin, Robert are Ali votes. Dana and Jee (maybe) are Jun votes. Not sure about Jack and Erika, but I think they will vote Ali also.
This is just my opinion. It could go either way, but I think Alison is more likely to win.
Gotta disagree. I think Alison will win. People will vote for her because she had the guts to screw people, and she was strong both physically and mentally in many of the competitions. They will rationalize voting for Ali because she "deserves" it more. Jun just coasted through letting others do the dirty work, as you said.
Here is how I see it:
Nathan, Justin, Robert are Ali votes. Dana and Jee (maybe) are Jun votes. Not sure about Jack and Erika, but I think they will vote Ali also.
This is just my opinion. It could go either way, but I think Alison is more likely to win.
Jun: Dana, Justin (because Dana will talk to him hard), Jee and Nathan
Allison: Robert
Unknown: Jack and Erika.
#305
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Oh, the recap show tonight was okay, some more stuff/footage/interviews from the sequester houseguests.
Nathan really has to feel like a big dumb tool since Allison is in the final two.
I wonder if the jury votes, and then they are shown the tapes from the show (including diary room entries), and then there's a clearing of the air once all that other information gets to the jury members. Otherwise, you'd "taint" the jury's experience with the final 2 houseguests.
But you have to think that with each new jury member, the rest of the jury is getting some decent dirt of both Jun and Allison.
Nathan really has to feel like a big dumb tool since Allison is in the final two.
I wonder if the jury votes, and then they are shown the tapes from the show (including diary room entries), and then there's a clearing of the air once all that other information gets to the jury members. Otherwise, you'd "taint" the jury's experience with the final 2 houseguests.
But you have to think that with each new jury member, the rest of the jury is getting some decent dirt of both Jun and Allison.
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I loved how Allison's boyfriend "couldn't make it", yeah right.
And that was a strange message he sent as well.
Jun and Ali still don't get it.........that they could back stab, and "play the game" and vote people out and LIE.
But they could have done the same "game play" without digging into hurtfull comments about the others and their families.
I think Justin hit on that topic the best with his remarks.
And Jun/Ali final comments said "they don't understand it is just a game". YES THEY DO. But you could have done the SAME gameplay minus 90% of the comments.
And that was a strange message he sent as well.
Jun and Ali still don't get it.........that they could back stab, and "play the game" and vote people out and LIE.
But they could have done the same "game play" without digging into hurtfull comments about the others and their families.
I think Justin hit on that topic the best with his remarks.
And Jun/Ali final comments said "they don't understand it is just a game". YES THEY DO. But you could have done the SAME gameplay minus 90% of the comments.
#309
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His message was very cryptic. If I remember, I will watch the CBS morning show tomorrow.
Basically, I agree wtih most of the players in that it was the lesser of two evils. It was great to see the reactions when they were able to watch all of the BBs that they had missed, and the comments that were said about them.
Basically, I agree wtih most of the players in that it was the lesser of two evils. It was great to see the reactions when they were able to watch all of the BBs that they had missed, and the comments that were said about them.
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I dunno. There is a LOT of bitterness on that jury, and it seems pretty petty to me. Yes, i know many comments were made "outside the game" in the diary room. But, these people were still IN the game.. living it 24/7.. you just SAY things you don't mean when you're in competition! It's just like when you're playing sports and you're talking to yourself about how pathetic the other team is and how the other guy is such a loser, etc. The only difference is that these players HAVE to express these thoughts to the camera.. that's why it's called a DIARY room.
Other people have made hurtful comments, but since they were able to have a round table afterwards, Erika/Jack/etc was able to apologize and get that issue out of the way. Alison and Jun have not been given that opportunity.
Anyways, I liked the last episode, but i really think the pettiness at the end detracted from it all. Too bad.
Other people have made hurtful comments, but since they were able to have a round table afterwards, Erika/Jack/etc was able to apologize and get that issue out of the way. Alison and Jun have not been given that opportunity.
Anyways, I liked the last episode, but i really think the pettiness at the end detracted from it all. Too bad.
#311
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What was with CBS only showing the final 5 votes? Do they do that every season? I'd love to have seen what Dana and Justin said to them when they pulled out their keys...
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What a crock! I was really disappointed in the outcome of the voting. IMO, Alison was more derserving of winning BB4, for she overall played a better game. She was not only the fiercest competitor in the house, but also was able to deftly manipulate some of the other house guests. So in the end my vote would have went to Allison. I can't believe she only got one lousy stinkin' vote
I saw the first two votes being cast. It's strange that somehow you missed out seeing it. Didn't miss much, except for Dana saying how she went with the lesser of two evils and Justin saying that he was really disappointed with Jun and Ali after having viewed the video tapes of the shows.
I saw the first two votes being cast. It's strange that somehow you missed out seeing it. Didn't miss much, except for Dana saying how she went with the lesser of two evils and Justin saying that he was really disappointed with Jun and Ali after having viewed the video tapes of the shows.
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Originally posted by Darq
Other people have made hurtful comments, but since they were able to have a round table afterwards, Erika/Jack/etc was able to apologize and get that issue out of the way. Alison and Jun have not been given that opportunity.
Other people have made hurtful comments, but since they were able to have a round table afterwards, Erika/Jack/etc was able to apologize and get that issue out of the way. Alison and Jun have not been given that opportunity.
Part of me really enjoyed seeing Alison lose. I just wish someone besides Jun could have won. I don't think either of them really deserved to win, but of the two, I think Jun deserved it less. In other words, I thought Alison should have won (lesser of two evils).
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Originally posted by monkyskunk
I saw the first two votes being cast. It's strange that somehow you missed out seeing it. Didn't miss much, except for Dana saying how she went with the lesser of two evils and Justin saying that he was really disappointed with Jun and Ali after having viewed the video tapes of the shows.
I saw the first two votes being cast. It's strange that somehow you missed out seeing it. Didn't miss much, except for Dana saying how she went with the lesser of two evils and Justin saying that he was really disappointed with Jun and Ali after having viewed the video tapes of the shows.
Oh, and just for the record, I agree that Ali should have won out of the two of them.
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The only great thing to come out of this is to see that wicked bitch Alison loose. It was very surprising that these two jerks didnt kiss more ass when answering those questions...I just dont get it. You are fake the entire show but when you need it most you dont kiss ass?? Anyway VERY anti-climatic ending to this show. Hopefully next season will have two winners that have half a soul.
#316
Originally posted by monkyskunk
What a crock! I was really disappointed in the outcome of the voting. IMO, Alison was more derserving of winning BB4, for she overall played a better game. She was not only the fiercest competitor in the house, but also was able to deftly manipulate some of the other house guests. So in the end my vote would have went to Allison. I can't believe she only got one lousy stinkin' vote
I saw the first two votes being cast. It's strange that somehow you missed out seeing it. Didn't miss much, except for Dana saying how she went with the lesser of two evils and Justin saying that he was really disappointed with Jun and Ali after having viewed the video tapes of the shows.
What a crock! I was really disappointed in the outcome of the voting. IMO, Alison was more derserving of winning BB4, for she overall played a better game. She was not only the fiercest competitor in the house, but also was able to deftly manipulate some of the other house guests. So in the end my vote would have went to Allison. I can't believe she only got one lousy stinkin' vote
I saw the first two votes being cast. It's strange that somehow you missed out seeing it. Didn't miss much, except for Dana saying how she went with the lesser of two evils and Justin saying that he was really disappointed with Jun and Ali after having viewed the video tapes of the shows.
Jun's answers were so bad, that I figured she totally opened the door back for Alison figuring Jun might have a slight edge at the beginning because of how really mean and nasty Alison was.
Two years in a row the better player lost. But, unlike last year, where I liked BOTH people (Danielle more), I didn't like either of these girls AT ALL. They deserved to feel stupid and isolated for the way they behaved and their refusal to apologize or even admit that they might have taken it too far. Alison said she's not like this on the outside. Who really believes that?
I also think they'll both come home and see clips that will affirm in their minds, that everyone else was just as nasty in the DR, but these two were in a league of their own.
It would have been nice if Michelle had stayed longer, she is a hottie, but she sure is an annoying priss. That news that Dave isn't welcome at her home must have been a crushing blow to the guy. Lastly, it was nice of Erika and Jack to apologize and I believed both of them meant it, but Dana really is both a buzzard and a man-troll and it's too bad they backed off of their comments about that. They were some of the rare moments of honesty in the whole damned game.
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Originally posted by dolphinboy
It would have been nice if Michelle had stayed longer, she is a hottie, but she sure is an annoying priss.
It would have been nice if Michelle had stayed longer, she is a hottie, but she sure is an annoying priss.
#319
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This sort of reaction was similar to when Vecepia won Survivor 4, and did it "under the radar" and never won any challenges in the first 30 days of the game. Jun just let Allison outsmart herself in the style in which she played the game. If other people are going to fall on the sword for you, you get out of their way!
Put it this way: Jun got by without needing to win many of the "competitions" in the first half of the game and never drew that much attention to herself as a "threat" to stay in the game via the competition, vs. the social aspect of staying in the BB house. Allison steamrolled her way to the final 2, but in the end, no one really liked her enough to vote for her due to her style/stratefy over Jun's style/strategy.
I think Allison was shocked that she didn't get a vote from Justin. Hee hee.
Put it this way: Jun got by without needing to win many of the "competitions" in the first half of the game and never drew that much attention to herself as a "threat" to stay in the game via the competition, vs. the social aspect of staying in the BB house. Allison steamrolled her way to the final 2, but in the end, no one really liked her enough to vote for her due to her style/stratefy over Jun's style/strategy.
I think Allison was shocked that she didn't get a vote from Justin. Hee hee.
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Originally posted by MJKTool
The only great thing to come out of this is to see that wicked bitch Alison loose. It was very surprising that these two jerks didnt kiss more ass when answering those questions...I just dont get it. You are fake the entire show but when you need it most you dont kiss ass?? Anyway VERY anti-climatic ending to this show. Hopefully next season will have two winners that have half a soul.
The only great thing to come out of this is to see that wicked bitch Alison loose. It was very surprising that these two jerks didnt kiss more ass when answering those questions...I just dont get it. You are fake the entire show but when you need it most you dont kiss ass?? Anyway VERY anti-climatic ending to this show. Hopefully next season will have two winners that have half a soul.
The ending was indeed anti-climatic, especially when the votes were being revealed. For when Jun got the 4th vote needed to win, she just there totally emotionless. By the way she was acting, I thought I had miscounted and that she needed another vote to win it. But then another vote went away and then finally the last vote went her way as well, but you couldn't tell from the looks of things who had one and who had lost, for Jun looked liked a person in a catatonic state and not as someone who has just won a half-million dollars. Wierd.
#321
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either Nathan gave Allison a pity vote or he really is that DUMB! blah for both finalists but the lesser of the two evil twins won.
#322
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Lesser of two evils? I can't say.
Alison was sure full of herself. Jun wasn't far behind either. What's his the lame popularity poll on the BB4 website? Alison had 72% popularity while Jun had 37%. Ridiculously high for Alison.
I loved the reaction of the jury. The applause for Jun winning was very low-key. No hugs or congratulations. And noticed how the jury entered the house. A quick hello at best. And many of them ignored the two.
Ericka and Robert were great when they told Jun that her response was the wrong one to the question about her nasty comments.
They suckered Michelle badly so I can see where she felt betrayed. She took it personally out of the entire group and she didn't seem like she was finished.
I still don't get why Nathan voted for Alison. Played a better game?
Good thing they made Erika face the racist remark she made to Jee.
Why, oh why did Robert believe Alison and give up on the first competition of the final HOH contest? Man, this is half a million dollars! He didn't put up a fight.
Oh well. The X factor made a bigger difference than I ever thought. I thought the X's would be all be eliminated within the first month. I wonder if the producers will have X's in the 5th season.
Alison was sure full of herself. Jun wasn't far behind either. What's his the lame popularity poll on the BB4 website? Alison had 72% popularity while Jun had 37%. Ridiculously high for Alison.
I loved the reaction of the jury. The applause for Jun winning was very low-key. No hugs or congratulations. And noticed how the jury entered the house. A quick hello at best. And many of them ignored the two.
Ericka and Robert were great when they told Jun that her response was the wrong one to the question about her nasty comments.
They suckered Michelle badly so I can see where she felt betrayed. She took it personally out of the entire group and she didn't seem like she was finished.
I still don't get why Nathan voted for Alison. Played a better game?
Good thing they made Erika face the racist remark she made to Jee.
Why, oh why did Robert believe Alison and give up on the first competition of the final HOH contest? Man, this is half a million dollars! He didn't put up a fight.
Oh well. The X factor made a bigger difference than I ever thought. I thought the X's would be all be eliminated within the first month. I wonder if the producers will have X's in the 5th season.
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Originally posted by monkyskunk
The ending was indeed anti-climatic, especially when the votes were being revealed. For when Jun got the 4th vote needed to win, she just there totally emotionless. By the way she was acting, I thought I had miscounted and that she needed another vote to win it. But then another vote went away and then finally the last vote went her way as well, but you couldn't tell from the looks of things who had one and who had lost, for Jun looked liked a person in a catatonic state and not as someone who has just won a half-million dollars. Wierd.
The ending was indeed anti-climatic, especially when the votes were being revealed. For when Jun got the 4th vote needed to win, she just there totally emotionless. By the way she was acting, I thought I had miscounted and that she needed another vote to win it. But then another vote went away and then finally the last vote went her way as well, but you couldn't tell from the looks of things who had one and who had lost, for Jun looked liked a person in a catatonic state and not as someone who has just won a half-million dollars. Wierd.
Having said that, Jack continues to come across as a really nice guy. He really knows how to handle himself and what to say in every situation. Perhaps he is not always 100 percent sincere, but he sure makes you believe it. I know lots of people aren't fans of Jee, but I think overall he was a good guy too. He comes across as so much more mature than Jun even though she is older.
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Originally posted by blahloney
I think Justin said it best... regarding who he voted for to win.
"I rather be stabbed in the front than in the back..."
I think Justin said it best... regarding who he voted for to win.
"I rather be stabbed in the front than in the back..."
Yes, that was a great line.



