The Babylon 5 Season THREE Discussion Thread
08-22-03 | 12:53 PM
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Originally posted by Seeker
actually, i know the agony - luckily, when they were doing the original filming - we DID only have to wait a week - they didn't make us wait a season... (or was that season 4...?)
actually, i know the agony - luckily, when they were doing the original filming - we DID only have to wait a week - they didn't make us wait a season... (or was that season 4...?)
Season 4 premiere: November 4, 1996
08-22-03 | 06:49 PM
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See? Why should I have to wait? Answer:I shouldn't. Therefore Seeker will send me a tape of Season 4 ep.1. Because he's a great guy. I'll even let him say "heh heh heh" without any repercussions. 
08-23-03 | 11:46 AM
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Hey Bando -
Now that you're in that post season glow, and you've gotten most of the way through the story, you might want to consider checking out what JMS called holographic story telling. Not that the images are 3D and leap off the TV screen, but that you go back through the older episodes, you look at the same 'image' from another angle and everything changes.
Go back and watch season 1 again, you'll see ALL kinds of things that didn't make sense, or throw-away scenes and lines that you didn't think of at the time, but now put the show in a whole new light - now that there's context to the information.
You'll swear there's something new in each episode.
Now that you're in that post season glow, and you've gotten most of the way through the story, you might want to consider checking out what JMS called holographic story telling. Not that the images are 3D and leap off the TV screen, but that you go back through the older episodes, you look at the same 'image' from another angle and everything changes.
Go back and watch season 1 again, you'll see ALL kinds of things that didn't make sense, or throw-away scenes and lines that you didn't think of at the time, but now put the show in a whole new light - now that there's context to the information.
You'll swear there's something new in each episode.
08-23-03 | 07:56 PM
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Now that you've finished season three, you now have permission to go forth and read two of the Babylon 5 novels, "The Shadow Within," and "To Dream in the City of Sorrows."
"The Shadow Within" deals with the final voyage of The Icarus and its fate on Z'Ha'Dum, as well as seeing Sheridan in command of The Agamemnon.
"To Dream in the City of Sorrows" follows the activities of Jeffrey Sinclair during the second and third seasons, after he left Babylon 5. Also expect to see Katherine Sakai and Marcus Cole in there, too.
You can probably watch "In the Beginning" now, too. The movie mainly spoils things involving
. [spoilers for season three only]
I don't think "In the Beginning" really spoils anything in season four, except for maybe a very minor plot point or two in the fourth season episode "Atonement." But that's really nothing Earth-shattering, or anything... (Hopefully someone else who has seen this recently can veryify this.)
"The Shadow Within" deals with the final voyage of The Icarus and its fate on Z'Ha'Dum, as well as seeing Sheridan in command of The Agamemnon.
"To Dream in the City of Sorrows" follows the activities of Jeffrey Sinclair during the second and third seasons, after he left Babylon 5. Also expect to see Katherine Sakai and Marcus Cole in there, too.
You can probably watch "In the Beginning" now, too. The movie mainly spoils things involving
Spoiler:
I don't think "In the Beginning" really spoils anything in season four, except for maybe a very minor plot point or two in the fourth season episode "Atonement." But that's really nothing Earth-shattering, or anything... (Hopefully someone else who has seen this recently can veryify this.)
08-23-03 | 08:43 PM
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Hey Josh-da-Man, is "To Dream in the City of Sorrows" good? I picked it up but with the school year starting I probably won't get a chance to read it anytime in the near future. If it kicks butt I might be able to carve out some reading time if it's average I can wait until winter break.
On topic, just finished the whole set today and I've got some questions ready for next week's discussion.
On topic, just finished the whole set today and I've got some questions ready for next week's discussion.
08-23-03 | 09:24 PM
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Originally posted by Bandoman
Hmm...I've been told to wait until after Season 4 to watch "In The Beginning".
Hmm...I've been told to wait until after Season 4 to watch "In The Beginning".
Unless you just can't wait that is.
08-23-03 | 11:12 PM
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so when does seaon 4 come out? ?? ? ? ? ?
and..... i liked those songs that girl was singing (the one episode with the doctor), anybody have any mp3s or the sort of them?
btw, I'm going to recommend to my friend to watch 'In the beginning' as an intro to B5 (he's never seen it before). I don't think it'll be any spolier for him as that's what I did.
So now that I've seen all of season 3 here are my general thoughts
and..... i liked those songs that girl was singing (the one episode with the doctor), anybody have any mp3s or the sort of them?
btw, I'm going to recommend to my friend to watch 'In the beginning' as an intro to B5 (he's never seen it before). I don't think it'll be any spolier for him as that's what I did.
So now that I've seen all of season 3 here are my general thoughts
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08-24-03 | 12:33 AM
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Originally posted by lisadoris
Hey Josh-da-Man, is "To Dream in the City of Sorrows" good? I picked it up but with the school year starting I probably won't get a chance to read it anytime in the near future. If it kicks butt I might be able to carve out some reading time if it's average I can wait until winter break.
Hey Josh-da-Man, is "To Dream in the City of Sorrows" good? I picked it up but with the school year starting I probably won't get a chance to read it anytime in the near future. If it kicks butt I might be able to carve out some reading time if it's average I can wait until winter break.
It's one of the eleven novels that function as "lost episodes" -- they fill in blanks in the main storyline. As this one was written by JMS' wife, it's probably the most canonical one of the lot.
If you or anyone else is curious, the other ten books are:
"The Shadow Within" by Jeanne Cavellos. This takes place right before the "The Gathering" but shouldn't be read until one has watched all of season three. You'll even find out why Ambassador Kosh arrived late on the station in "The Gathering."
The "Psi-Corps Trilogy" by J. Gregory Keyes:
1. Dark Genesis
2. Deadly Relations
3. Final Reckoning
The "Legions of Fire Trilogy" by Peter David
1. The Long Night of Centauri Prime
2. Armies of Light and Dark
3. Out of the Darkness
The "Passing of the Technomages Trilogy" by Jeanne Cavelos
1. Casting Shadows
2. Summoning Light
3. Invoking Darkness
The three trilogies should not be read until one has watched all of Babylon 5, as there will be many spoilers. Some of the novels take place before events on the station, a few take place concurrently with the series, but most take place after the series ends. So you needn't worry about them until probably next summer.
08-24-03 | 01:06 AM
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Originally posted by Chew
I would keep to that. Watching "In the Beginning" now would completely ruin the ninth episode of season 4.
Unless you just can't wait that is.
I would keep to that. Watching "In the Beginning" now would completely ruin the ninth episode of season 4.
Unless you just can't wait that is.
Spoiler:
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In a way, I'd say that "In the Beginning" might even play a little better to watch it before 4.01-4.06, as the involvement of
Spoiler:
08-24-03 | 08:37 AM
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Thanks for the book info. I have and have read the other three trilogies you mentioned as well as "The Shadow Within." I will go ahead and wait to read "To Dream..." unless I get just need a B5 fix while waiting for the S4 announcement.
08-24-03 | 05:17 PM
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Originally posted by Josh-da-man
The only thing I can think "In the Beginning" spoils from 4.09 "Atonement" is
And, while it's a pretty big revelation, it doesn't really alter anything in episodes 4.01-4.08. It's kind of a surprise in 4.09,but learning of it now doesn't really change anything. Except for the basis of 4.09, but it's actually something that didn't really surprise me at all. The handwriting was been on the wall for a couple of years now --
In a way, I'd say that "In the Beginning" might even play a little better to watch it before 4.01-4.06, as the involvement of
The only thing I can think "In the Beginning" spoils from 4.09 "Atonement" is
Spoiler:
Spoiler:
In a way, I'd say that "In the Beginning" might even play a little better to watch it before 4.01-4.06, as the involvement of
Spoiler:
08-25-03 | 06:00 AM
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Today's Episode: Dust to Dust
An addictive drug with telepathic effects is found on the station, prompting a visit by Bester. G'Kar reaches a turning point.
Kosh may have stopped G'Kar to prevent him from learning too much about the Shadows, on the assumption that G'Kar would likely speak out about them in public. Since the forces of light are still gathering, that'd be something Kosh would want to prevent. It's also likely that Kosh was maneuvering G'Kar to be of greater use in the future, perhaps testing his ability to influence G'Kar's behavior through the use of religious visions.
Kosh's statement about sacrifice can be interpreted to cover the entire Narn race; he may be saying that the Narn (and perhaps the Centauri, given his earlier statement about the two races) must die so that the rest can live. If that interpretation is correct, Kosh is preparing G'Kar to accept the death of his people as inevitable. Will G'Kar continue to fight for the Narn?
Vir's position on Minbar was a joke to Londo (strictly a means of getting him out of his hair) just as Londo's position was originally viewed. Could Vir parallel Londo's ascension to power, potentially rising to great importance in the coming war? Given his newfound affinity for the Minbari, and his distaste for Londo's politics (and especially Morden,) he could be a great ally of the Army of Light. On the other hand, Londo did get Vir the position in the first place, and at the time he told Delenn that it was to get Vir out of danger.
Kosh's statement about sacrifice can be interpreted to cover the entire Narn race; he may be saying that the Narn (and perhaps the Centauri, given his earlier statement about the two races) must die so that the rest can live. If that interpretation is correct, Kosh is preparing G'Kar to accept the death of his people as inevitable. Will G'Kar continue to fight for the Narn?
Vir's position on Minbar was a joke to Londo (strictly a means of getting him out of his hair) just as Londo's position was originally viewed. Could Vir parallel Londo's ascension to power, potentially rising to great importance in the coming war? Given his newfound affinity for the Minbari, and his distaste for Londo's politics (and especially Morden,) he could be a great ally of the Army of Light. On the other hand, Londo did get Vir the position in the first place, and at the time he told Delenn that it was to get Vir out of danger.
08-26-03 | 05:58 AM
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Today's Episode: Exogenesis
Marcus and Dr. Franklin combat an invasion by parasitic aliens that attach themselves to humans. Ivanova investigates the possibility of bringing a new member into the conspiracy.
Marcus seems a good deal less concerned with secrecy than his coconspirators; he was talking to Garibaldi openly, and loudly, about his network of contacts in a public place. By contrast, Ivanova and Sheridan didn't even want to be seen with him at the Earhart's party for fear of raising questions.
It's never made clear how much time has passed before the Vindrizi's departure, but it's odd that Sheridan and company didn't jump at the chance to get all the information they could about the Shadows and the previous wars while the Vindrizi were still aboard. Of course, it's possible such discussions took place, but they're never mentioned.
It's never made clear how much time has passed before the Vindrizi's departure, but it's odd that Sheridan and company didn't jump at the chance to get all the information they could about the Shadows and the previous wars while the Vindrizi were still aboard. Of course, it's possible such discussions took place, but they're never mentioned.
08-26-03 | 09:54 AM
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On the surface, this may look like a filler episode. But, consider that two years have passed, and we’ve gotten a good look at the main characters. Marcus has just been introduced and we get an in depth idea of what makes him tick.
08-26-03 | 10:28 AM
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Yeah, Marcus has a certain Devil-may-care attitude about him. He's a little more reckless than the others, more willing to act quickly. Every once in a while, however, we get some hints about the training he received in Minbar, which apparently included psychological warfare. Makes you wonder what he's up to, and whether what we see is a ruse or the real Marcus.