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Old 08-20-03, 09:58 PM
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Originally posted by Seeker
bando did you know what would happen? i think so.
Yes! I guessed that
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Sinclair would= Valen, although I didn't guess all the specifics. I have some ideas about Delenn being the "one who is" and Sheridan being the "one who will be". Delenn is the one who brings the elements together in "our" time, and Sheridan will "defeat" the Shadows at Z'ha'dum, without Kosh's help (as was apparently originally intended).


What a f*#$ing great show.

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Originally posted by Bandoman
Yes! I guessed that
Spoiler:
Sinclair would= Valen, although I didn't guess all the specifics. I have some ideas about Delenn being the "one who is" and Sheridan being the "one who will be". Delenn is the one who brings the elements together in "our" time, and Sheridan will "defeat" the Shadows at Z'ha'dum, without Kosh's help (as was apparently originally intended).


What a f*#$ing great show.
remember nothing is at appears

and hehehehe
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Today's Episode: Passing Through Gethsemane

Lyta Alexander returns to the station at Kosh's behest. One of Theo's brothers discovers that he may have a hidden past.
Edward's execution was not only a sort of crucifixion (notice how he's suspended from the metal frame) but also resembles Sheridan's suspension from what looks like the same kind of frame in "Comes the Inquisitor."

Why didn't Franklin notice Lyta's gills? Perhaps he did and didn't feel they were worth mentioning (gill implants aren't completely alien concepts; G'Kar has them, as noted by the assassin in "The Gathering.") It's also possible she didn't get them until her errand in the middle of the episode. Franklin did note that she had elevated oxygen levels in her bloodstream, though, which would tend to indicate both that she had the gills before he examined her and that he didn't notice them. Given the powers of illusion Vorlons have demonstrated, covering up gills would probably have been a small matter with Kosh's help.

Psi Corps may have strict rules against unauthorized scans, but Sheridan and Garibaldi don't hold those rules in particularly high esteem. Now that they have a non-Corps telepath at their disposal, someone whose loyalty is presumably above reproach thanks to her association with Kosh, will they begin calling her in on a regular basis?
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"Passing Through Gethsemene" is, to date, my favorite non-wham episode. Brad Dourif is superb, and as I mentioned waaaaaaay back on the third page of this thread, that "throwaway" line from Lennier to Brother Edward floored me
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the line where he explained that Valen apeared 1000 years ago as a Minbari not born of Minbari, which led me to conclude - correctly I might add! - that Calen = Sinclair


Well written and well acted.
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So, Wizdar, who is this Calen person to whom you refer?

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Bando - I think PTG is some really good stuff. It's a phenomal performance from Dourif and an interesting look at crime and punishment.
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Originally posted by Wizdar
So, Wizdar, who is this Calen person to whom you refer?

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Calen is Valen's cousin. He tried to start the Pink council. The family didn't talk about him much.
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I too like this episode and saw a small analogy in the ep as well. Spoiler for future episodes so beware

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This might be some wild flight of fancey but could Brother Edward's sacrifice mirror Sheridan's future sacrifce at Z'ha'dum? Sheridan has been told if he goes there he will die and everyone assumes with a warning like that he would steer clear but of course he didn't and considering how things turned out, maybe he wasn't supposed to stay away. Edward wondered if he would have the strength to face death and he did and Sheridan will face a similar situation in the not so distant future.


Just pondering. Feel free to tell me I'm full of crap - I'm starting myf irst teaching gig next week, I have to get used to it .
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Wasn't one of his ancesters on Boy Meets Boy?
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Originally posted by Bandoman
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Calen is Valen's cousin. He tried to start the Pink council. The family didn't talk about him much.
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Calen is
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Sinclair's duck.
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Okay, "Grey 17 Is Missing" was pretty bad, although the Delenn storyline kept it from being completely useless.
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Just watched "And The Rock Cried Out, No Hiding Place".

Holy crap!
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A Whole fleet of White Stars!!!!


JMS is a master storyteller, of the highest order.
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Originally posted by Bandoman
Okay, "Grey 17 Is Missing" was pretty bad, although the Delenn storyline kept it from being completely useless.
Just think of "Grey 17" as the calm before the storm.
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watching "Z'ha'dum" right now...damn...damn damn damn...
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• Quoth Bandoman •<HR SIZE=1>watching "Z'ha'dum" right now...damn...damn damn damn... <HR SIZE=1>


Draw me if you like, but heh heh heh ...

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AAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!


SEEKER!! I NEED THAT TAPE OF SEASON 4 EP 1 NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW!
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Lolol... just wait a few months like the rest of us. I still remember having to wait for S4 on TV back when it first aired.
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Seeker, hold out for a BJ.
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re: "Z'Ha'Dum"

The answer to your question is: yes.

Tick. Tock. Tick. Tock.

Just to torment a bit more, here is the Season Four opening narration. Instead of a single narrator, each line is spoken by a unique character.

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It was the year of fire.
The year of festruction.
The year we took back what was ours.
It was a year of rebirth.
The year of great sadness.
The year of pain.
And a year of joy.
It was a new age.
It was the end of history.
It was the year everything changed.
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Today's Episode: Voices of Authority

Draal helps the crew attempt to contact more of the First Ones. Sheridan works to hide his conspiracy from the Nightwatch.
Delenn's denial of knowledge about the Rangers was an out-and-out lie, not a deception or a mistruth or a careful omission. Whose honor was she protecting, or does that rule no longer apply to her? ("There All the Honor Lies") Perhaps, since her transformation, she no longer feels quite so bound by Minbari tradition; on the other hand, she still seems to cite it regularly.

The First Ones at Sigma 957 were annoyed at the mention of the Vorlons, suggesting that the two races had a disagreement at some point in the past. Perhaps the Vorlons prevented, intentionally or otherwise, the final defeat of the Shadows in the previous war. It could also have something to do with the Vorlons' manipulation of younger races ("The Fall of Night.") Perhaps the Vorlons didn't depart with the other First Ones because they weren't allowed to do so.

The First Ones at Sigma 957 were first seen in the first-season episode "Mind War." Although the existence of the First Ones hadn't been revealed at that point, G'Kar's description of this race coincided almost exactly with Delenn's description of the First Ones, an early piece of foreshadowing.
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Any minute now, a little teeny car with 16 clowns in it’s gonna come flying outta my butt.
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Fifth season question on "Phoenix Rising" from yesterday, so don't look if you're not that far!

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Were the scenes in Medbay used in the fourth season finale filmed twice? Or just filmed for this episode and put into that earlier episode once they knew they needed a new finale for fourth season? The Lurker's Guide doesn't make it real clear.
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Originally posted by Bandoman
Okay, "Grey 17 Is Missing" was pretty bad, although the Delenn storyline kept it from being completely useless.
Yeah, but at least Robert Englund made it entertaining. Oh well, not every one of them can be Severed Dreams.
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Originally posted by Bandoman
AAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!


SEEKER!! I NEED THAT TAPE OF SEASON 4 EP 1 NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW!

it's ready to go - but i'm not... i'm out of town... you'll have to wait about a week...

heh heh heh

actually, i know the agony - luckily, when they were doing the original filming - we DID only have to wait a week - they didn't make us wait a season... (or was that season 4...?)


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