Paradise Hotel Discussion Thread
09-11-03 | 08:36 AM
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Originally posted by Patman
All I know is that Desiree is seriously deluded.
Melanie and Beau got to choose their roommate. Beau went for Amy, and Melanie (in an attempt to break up Charla and Tara) went for Keith. Then Holly went for Scott, and Desiree went for Tom, and so did Tara, and Charla went for Dave. Tom made a tearful decision that blew up in Desiree's face as he picked Tara to room with this week.
Dave got miffed by Desiree for using "retarded" to describe some of his actions. It was pretty ugly and stupid.
Then I didn't watch the rest of it, so hopefully someone can fill in the last part where 2 guys and 2 girls go on some little trip together.
All I know is that Desiree is seriously deluded.
Melanie and Beau got to choose their roommate. Beau went for Amy, and Melanie (in an attempt to break up Charla and Tara) went for Keith. Then Holly went for Scott, and Desiree went for Tom, and so did Tara, and Charla went for Dave. Tom made a tearful decision that blew up in Desiree's face as he picked Tara to room with this week.
Dave got miffed by Desiree for using "retarded" to describe some of his actions. It was pretty ugly and stupid.
Then I didn't watch the rest of it, so hopefully someone can fill in the last part where 2 guys and 2 girls go on some little trip together.
I think the Desiree/Melanie strategy was planned like that. Melanie got her pick of roommate so she picked Keith to break up him and Tara. Therefore, I think Desiree and Tom were thinking that whichever person did not have a partner would have the power next week to pick whoever they want to stay (or the power to eliminate someone). Obviously, this is not necessarily the case, but maybe they were trying to think ahead.
The trip was pretty stupid. Scott chose Holly and Desiree and Amy chose Tom and Beau. They just sat on the boat ripping on the 4-some, particularly Dave. They just kept talking about how Dave is in love with Charla and how she is just using him to win.
I think the twist next week in the voting is this...
Whoever gets eliminated then gets to take someone (of the opp sex) out too. This is one way that the producers can ensure that the each camp cannot decimate each other.
09-12-03 | 09:09 AM
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The ultimate prize should be that they don't have to pay for their stay in Paradise.
09-12-03 | 09:56 AM
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this show is total shit....
but i can't help but watch
but i can't help but watch
09-16-03 | 08:20 AM
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You gotta love how fixed this show is.
You can bet that if Melanie had purposely reversed her answers by putting Charla and Tara as her biggest allies and Desiree as her biggest enemy, they would have had her eliminate her biggest enemy.
The Scott/Holly drama is pretty funny.
I am really glad Desiree is gone. I could not stand her. No brain of her own.
Tom and his monkey are toast in the next episode. Then I think the twist will still be the one I thought would happen this week, particularly since the preview said that one guest will get revenge on Wednesday. If he gets to choose, I suppose Tom will take Dave with him if he has to pick a guy.
You can bet that if Melanie had purposely reversed her answers by putting Charla and Tara as her biggest allies and Desiree as her biggest enemy, they would have had her eliminate her biggest enemy.
The Scott/Holly drama is pretty funny.
I am really glad Desiree is gone. I could not stand her. No brain of her own.
Tom and his monkey are toast in the next episode. Then I think the twist will still be the one I thought would happen this week, particularly since the preview said that one guest will get revenge on Wednesday. If he gets to choose, I suppose Tom will take Dave with him if he has to pick a guy.
09-16-03 | 09:21 AM
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Originally posted by Patman
The Scott/Holly situation reminds me of the adage:
No matter how hot a woman is, there's always some guy out there who's tired of her shit!
The Scott/Holly situation reminds me of the adage:
No matter how hot a woman is, there's always some guy out there who's tired of her shit!
And her whineyness must be really annoying to Scott. It is not like this is the real world where you can move on to another fish in the sea. There is a limited pool of ladies and Holly has the best flotation devices in that pool.
09-16-03 | 04:05 PM
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I can't belive Desiree walked off the show and let Amy stay. Why does everyone give Amy what she wants?
I'm so tired of everyone on that stupid show...but of course I still watch it twice a week.
I'm so tired of everyone on that stupid show...but of course I still watch it twice a week.
09-16-03 | 04:11 PM
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Why is Amy such a babied little [gross, disgusting] bitch?
Also, anyone who says "I will leave this show a winner; I've already won" or "I am the best person here" or "I've already accomplished more than you ever will" clearly will not, is not, and has not.
(p.s. that's not just Amy, but also the other fruitloops that are so insecure that they have to constantly tell themselves they are actually great people.)
Also, anyone who says "I will leave this show a winner; I've already won" or "I am the best person here" or "I've already accomplished more than you ever will" clearly will not, is not, and has not.
(p.s. that's not just Amy, but also the other fruitloops that are so insecure that they have to constantly tell themselves they are actually great people.)
09-16-03 | 04:13 PM
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If the producers and/or FOX is smart, they'll let the good people win the game --- somehow, someway. They've endured too much b.s. at the hands of the producers anyhow. They've played the game the best, and deserve to win.
Come on Fox/Paradise Hotel ---- have a heart!!!!!
Come on Fox/Paradise Hotel ---- have a heart!!!!!
09-16-03 | 04:45 PM
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Originally posted by bigsoos
I think I got grossed out by watching Amy eat the avocado. I think I can hear her getting fatter.
I think I got grossed out by watching Amy eat the avocado. I think I can hear her getting fatter.
09-16-03 | 07:10 PM
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I'm glad to see Desiree's skanky nasty ass leave this show finally. She shouldn't have been there in the first place.
to Holly and a Playboy appearance.
to Holly and a Playboy appearance.
09-17-03 | 11:36 AM
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FOX added 2 more episodes to PH. Future PH schedule:
Wednesday, September 17
9:00/8:00c - "Paradise Hotel" (PH-126)
Tuesday, September 23
8:00/7:00c - "Paradise Hotel" (PH-127)
9:00/8:00c - "Paradise Hotel" (PH-128)
Wednesday, October 1
8:00/7:00c - "Paradise Hotel" (PH-129)
9:00/8:00c - "Paradise Hotel" (PH-130, Season Finale)
Wednesday, September 17
9:00/8:00c - "Paradise Hotel" (PH-126)
Tuesday, September 23
8:00/7:00c - "Paradise Hotel" (PH-127)
9:00/8:00c - "Paradise Hotel" (PH-128)
Wednesday, October 1
8:00/7:00c - "Paradise Hotel" (PH-129)
9:00/8:00c - "Paradise Hotel" (PH-130, Season Finale)
09-17-03 | 11:42 AM
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How can they stretch this show out even more? 3 months is enough already - can't it just end?
09-17-03 | 11:43 AM
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Originally posted by B.A.hist
How can they stretch this show out even more? 3 months is enough already - can't it just end?
How can they stretch this show out even more? 3 months is enough already - can't it just end?
They are doing it for ratings - apparently the show is doing quite well.
09-17-03 | 12:38 PM
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If the "Ultimate Prize" is something value, don't the rules to the game have to be provided to the guests? I agree with the earlier post that if Melanie would have named Charla and Tara as her allies, they would have made Melanie take out her rival.
You can't just change the rules to the game in the middle to make the show more compelling.
That said...I can't stop watching and Holly
Can't wait for tonight.
You can't just change the rules to the game in the middle to make the show more compelling.
That said...I can't stop watching and Holly
Can't wait for tonight.
09-17-03 | 12:52 PM
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Originally posted by apeyard
If the "Ultimate Prize" is something value, don't the rules to the game have to be provided to the guests? I agree with the earlier post that if Melanie would have named Charla and Tara as her allies, they would have made Melanie take out her rival.
You can't just change the rules to the game in the middle to make the show more compelling.
That said...I can't stop watching and Holly
Can't wait for tonight.
If the "Ultimate Prize" is something value, don't the rules to the game have to be provided to the guests? I agree with the earlier post that if Melanie would have named Charla and Tara as her allies, they would have made Melanie take out her rival.
You can't just change the rules to the game in the middle to make the show more compelling.
That said...I can't stop watching and Holly
Can't wait for tonight.
I don't think so (look at Survivor - there are no fixed rules), but notwithstanding that, if this is indeed a game show, I wonder how the producers (who are so clearly trying to fix things - not necessarily a winner, but to eliminate the people outside of the major rivalry) have gotten around the laws which were created in the aftermath of the 50s game show scandals.
09-17-03 | 12:55 PM
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Originally posted by Red Dog
You gotta love how fixed this show is.
You can bet that if Melanie had purposely reversed her answers by putting Charla and Tara as her biggest allies and Desiree as her biggest enemy, they would have had her eliminate her biggest enemy.
The Scott/Holly drama is pretty funny.
I am really glad Desiree is gone. I could not stand her. No brain of her own.
Tom and his monkey are toast in the next episode. Then I think the twist will still be the one I thought would happen this week, particularly since the preview said that one guest will get revenge on Wednesday. If he gets to choose, I suppose Tom will take Dave with him if he has to pick a guy.
You gotta love how fixed this show is.
You can bet that if Melanie had purposely reversed her answers by putting Charla and Tara as her biggest allies and Desiree as her biggest enemy, they would have had her eliminate her biggest enemy.
The Scott/Holly drama is pretty funny.
I am really glad Desiree is gone. I could not stand her. No brain of her own.
Tom and his monkey are toast in the next episode. Then I think the twist will still be the one I thought would happen this week, particularly since the preview said that one guest will get revenge on Wednesday. If he gets to choose, I suppose Tom will take Dave with him if he has to pick a guy.
to everyone that have been saying this show's scripted from the beginning.This is probably what's gonna happen on the next episode: The host will ask once again for everyone to fill out their two allies and one enemy. The morons, thinking that they can outfox the system, puts down their enemies as allies and vise versa. Except this time, one of them (most likely Tom) will get to take their "enemy" with them, after getting booted off.
09-17-03 | 01:37 PM
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ESPN Mag's Bill Simmons (aka The Sports Guy) take on PH:
The best sport on TV is 'Paradise'
By Bill Simmons
Page 2 columnist
Editor's Note: This column appears in the Sept. 29 edition of ESPN The Magazine.
When ESPN showed the World Series of Poker for 10,000 straight hours this summer, I didn't hear anyone wondering, "When did poker become a sport?" Nobody loves gambling more than I do, but playing cards and chain-smoking for 10 straight hours isn't exactly like running the triathlon. These guys wouldn't budge from their chairs unless someone, uh, hit the gas.
We live in a world where poker, golf, darts, billiards and paintball are considered sports. So why not "Paradise Hotel"? The show's stars can't stop referring to "The Game." What is this game? You got me. I still can't figure out the rules, which may or may not exist. Regardless, they allude to The Game ominously, muttering cryptic things like, "If she's gonna play The Game that way, then I'll start playing The Game too." Sure, they're partying like rock stars and wallowing in decadence, and their biggest decision is "Who should I room with?" But they keep telling me it's a game, so I believe them. So should you.
Where The Game welcomes players.
Like in any sport, the "guests" in "Paradise Hotel" are playing for something serious: the elusive "Ultimate Prize," which could be a box of Sharpies for all we know. They also wear bathing suits all day, so there's pressure to stay in shape. And much as owners expect players to produce, "Hotel"'s producers expect residents to act like blathering idiots, argue about inane things and bitch about everyone else.
The sports parallels go even deeper. The weekly Roommate Switch features so much overmanaging that Tony La Russa would be embarrassed. And just as every pro fears getting cut, everyone on "Paradise Hotel" strives to remain on the show until the end, although there's so much backstabbing that Monica Seles would hide her eyes.
Oh, and just like sports has unwritten rules, so does "Paradise Hotel." Never stop acting like a fool. Be as mean as you can. Embarrass your family. Err in the direction of complete hypocrisy. Cry whenever someone you barely know is voted off. Whenever you disagree with somebody, get in his face and scream. When in doubt, keep the girls with big breasts around. Don't trust anyone. And never, ever stop playing The Game.
Still don't think "Hotel" is a sport? The NBA's success hinges on superstars like LeBron, Shaq, T-Mac and Inmate No. B7534 -- er, Kobe. "Paradise Hotel" lives and dies with its own superstars: Toni (a bulging-eyed drama queen best described as "Bill Romanowski in drag"); Dave (a conniving loser who can't get lucky on an island chock full of promiscuous partiers); Charla (a calculating tease who traps herself in her room and melts down more often than the Red Sox bullpen); and Holly (a buxom airhead who eagerly admitted she'd do a Girls of "Paradise Hotel" spread in Playboy, God bless her).
The show even has an MJ: Zack, a self-absorbed bully who fell for his roommate after belittling her incessantly. (Don't we all fall in love that way?) Recently, Zack threatened a male model and compared his own life to "Braveheart." Needless to say, folks on the show revered him: he was the King of the Morons. When Keith voted him off, the uproar felt like JFK's assassination all over again. Zack's girl vowed revenge and became a twisted mess of misguided vitriol. I keep waiting for her head to do 360s. If those two reproduce, we might finally meet the real-life Damien.
Just like the post-MJ NBA, "Paradise Hotel" struggled to survive in the post-Zack era. So the show did what every sport should do, changing its rules and bringing him back temporarily. And just in time. Ostracized by Zack and his friends, Dave and Charla had launched their own alliance and ousted their stunned rivals. Seeing their plan work felt like a Bengals Super Bowl run -- hard to believe it was happening. Where else would the geeks upend the chics? The outrage spawned WWE-style chaos, replete with factions, sneak attacks and double-crosses.
When Zack and his flunkies returned, The Game truly took off. Imagine if the NBA did that with the Finals last year? We're downsizing the Nets-Spurs series to one game ... and the winner plays the Lakers! Who would have argued with that?
As a show, I think "Paradise Hotel" is the best thing on TV. As a sport, I think it's far ahead of its time. We can learn from The Game ... even if we don't know quite what it is.
By Bill Simmons
Page 2 columnist
Editor's Note: This column appears in the Sept. 29 edition of ESPN The Magazine.
When ESPN showed the World Series of Poker for 10,000 straight hours this summer, I didn't hear anyone wondering, "When did poker become a sport?" Nobody loves gambling more than I do, but playing cards and chain-smoking for 10 straight hours isn't exactly like running the triathlon. These guys wouldn't budge from their chairs unless someone, uh, hit the gas.
We live in a world where poker, golf, darts, billiards and paintball are considered sports. So why not "Paradise Hotel"? The show's stars can't stop referring to "The Game." What is this game? You got me. I still can't figure out the rules, which may or may not exist. Regardless, they allude to The Game ominously, muttering cryptic things like, "If she's gonna play The Game that way, then I'll start playing The Game too." Sure, they're partying like rock stars and wallowing in decadence, and their biggest decision is "Who should I room with?" But they keep telling me it's a game, so I believe them. So should you.
Where The Game welcomes players.
Like in any sport, the "guests" in "Paradise Hotel" are playing for something serious: the elusive "Ultimate Prize," which could be a box of Sharpies for all we know. They also wear bathing suits all day, so there's pressure to stay in shape. And much as owners expect players to produce, "Hotel"'s producers expect residents to act like blathering idiots, argue about inane things and bitch about everyone else.
The sports parallels go even deeper. The weekly Roommate Switch features so much overmanaging that Tony La Russa would be embarrassed. And just as every pro fears getting cut, everyone on "Paradise Hotel" strives to remain on the show until the end, although there's so much backstabbing that Monica Seles would hide her eyes.
Oh, and just like sports has unwritten rules, so does "Paradise Hotel." Never stop acting like a fool. Be as mean as you can. Embarrass your family. Err in the direction of complete hypocrisy. Cry whenever someone you barely know is voted off. Whenever you disagree with somebody, get in his face and scream. When in doubt, keep the girls with big breasts around. Don't trust anyone. And never, ever stop playing The Game.
Still don't think "Hotel" is a sport? The NBA's success hinges on superstars like LeBron, Shaq, T-Mac and Inmate No. B7534 -- er, Kobe. "Paradise Hotel" lives and dies with its own superstars: Toni (a bulging-eyed drama queen best described as "Bill Romanowski in drag"); Dave (a conniving loser who can't get lucky on an island chock full of promiscuous partiers); Charla (a calculating tease who traps herself in her room and melts down more often than the Red Sox bullpen); and Holly (a buxom airhead who eagerly admitted she'd do a Girls of "Paradise Hotel" spread in Playboy, God bless her).
The show even has an MJ: Zack, a self-absorbed bully who fell for his roommate after belittling her incessantly. (Don't we all fall in love that way?) Recently, Zack threatened a male model and compared his own life to "Braveheart." Needless to say, folks on the show revered him: he was the King of the Morons. When Keith voted him off, the uproar felt like JFK's assassination all over again. Zack's girl vowed revenge and became a twisted mess of misguided vitriol. I keep waiting for her head to do 360s. If those two reproduce, we might finally meet the real-life Damien.
Just like the post-MJ NBA, "Paradise Hotel" struggled to survive in the post-Zack era. So the show did what every sport should do, changing its rules and bringing him back temporarily. And just in time. Ostracized by Zack and his friends, Dave and Charla had launched their own alliance and ousted their stunned rivals. Seeing their plan work felt like a Bengals Super Bowl run -- hard to believe it was happening. Where else would the geeks upend the chics? The outrage spawned WWE-style chaos, replete with factions, sneak attacks and double-crosses.
When Zack and his flunkies returned, The Game truly took off. Imagine if the NBA did that with the Finals last year? We're downsizing the Nets-Spurs series to one game ... and the winner plays the Lakers! Who would have argued with that?
As a show, I think "Paradise Hotel" is the best thing on TV. As a sport, I think it's far ahead of its time. We can learn from The Game ... even if we don't know quite what it is.
