Buffy 3/25/03
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Buffy 3/25/03
7.17 - "Lies My Parents Told Me"
I thought I'd start this one little early as a reminder that we've finally got a new episode this week after a one-month hiatus.
TV Guide says:
I thought I'd start this one little early as a reminder that we've finally got a new episode this week after a one-month hiatus.
TV Guide says:
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Anybody know when the seasons big guest star returns?? I was hoping Angel and Buffy were chronologically aligned so that it would be this week, but it does not sound like it from that description.
How many new episodes left?
How many new episodes left?
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Since this airs on Monday where I live, I already saw it. I will spoiler, even though I won't give any specific plot points:
This is the impression that I got from the ending of the show, so while not a real spoiler, I will spoil it just in case:
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This is the impression that I got from the ending of the show, so while not a real spoiler, I will spoil it just in case:
Spoiler:
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Good ep.
Compared to Angel [Based on some of the season 3 eps and other various things i've seen], I really didn't care for Spike that much. Tonite's ep changed that. Made him [in my eyes] more tragic.
I liked the whole "trigger, chip, soul" exchange.
The end of Giles' conversation gave me a little bit of a chill...[considering our current world situation]
Andrew: "Willow, call for you from LA..somebody named Fred..guy sounds effeminate."
Willow: "Maybe i'll bring back some good news.." We know what that good news will be, huh?
Remember..it's all about the mission..
And..Bcolon, I coulda sworn I saw a promo saying nine hours of Buffy left..but that would make 25 eps total. And since a season is [most times] 22 eps that would mean only five left..but, I could be wrong..feel free to correct me.
Compared to Angel [Based on some of the season 3 eps and other various things i've seen], I really didn't care for Spike that much. Tonite's ep changed that. Made him [in my eyes] more tragic.
I liked the whole "trigger, chip, soul" exchange.
The end of Giles' conversation gave me a little bit of a chill...[considering our current world situation]
Andrew: "Willow, call for you from LA..somebody named Fred..guy sounds effeminate."
Willow: "Maybe i'll bring back some good news.." We know what that good news will be, huh?
Remember..it's all about the mission..
And..Bcolon, I coulda sworn I saw a promo saying nine hours of Buffy left..but that would make 25 eps total. And since a season is [most times] 22 eps that would mean only five left..but, I could be wrong..feel free to correct me.
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And..Bcolon, I coulda sworn I saw a promo saying nine hours of Buffy left..but that would make 25 eps total. And since a season is [most times] 22 eps that would mean only five left..but, I could be wrong..feel free to correct me. [/B]
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Originally posted by Rogue588
I coulda sworn I saw a promo saying nine hours of Buffy left
I coulda sworn I saw a promo saying nine hours of Buffy left
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This is the impression that I got from the ending of the show, so while not a real spoiler, I will spoil it just in case:
This is the impression that I got from the ending of the show, so while not a real spoiler, I will spoil it just in case:
Spoiler:
Spoiler:
Interesting episode overall. Did the previews for next week look like a rerun to anyone else or was it just me.
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Originally posted by lisadoris
Did the previews for next week look like a rerun to anyone else or was it just me.
Did the previews for next week look like a rerun to anyone else or was it just me.
Yes, it's a rerun. It's "Sleeper", the one when we see Spike meet the woman in the bar and then takes her back to her house for a "bite".
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The Spike stuff was good.
Buffy on the other hand... Are they trying to turn her into a bitch on purpose? The entire point about her being alone in her mission/duty goes against the previous shows. All of a sudden no one else matters? By any logic whatsoever, she should have killed Spike a long time ago and by not doing so (and threatening the Principal) makes her look like a hypocrite.
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Buffy on the other hand... Are they trying to turn her into a bitch on purpose? The entire point about her being alone in her mission/duty goes against the previous shows. All of a sudden no one else matters? By any logic whatsoever, she should have killed Spike a long time ago and by not doing so (and threatening the Principal) makes her look like a hypocrite.
D
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I don't see why Buffy should kill Spike. If they're really worried about Spike turning on them against the First, they could send him to help Angel. Spike's done more to redeem himself than Anya, Willow, or Andrew have.
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Originally posted by Rogue588
And..Bcolon, I coulda sworn I saw a promo saying nine hours of Buffy left..but that would make 25 eps total. And since a season is [most times] 22 eps that would mean only five left..but, I could be wrong..feel free to correct me.
And..Bcolon, I coulda sworn I saw a promo saying nine hours of Buffy left..but that would make 25 eps total. And since a season is [most times] 22 eps that would mean only five left..but, I could be wrong..feel free to correct me.
The episode was not good for me.
I needed another Spike-centric episode like I needed another BuffySpeech. Last episode was about Andrew, this one about Spike. Xander hasn't had an episode about him for a long, long time. This is horribly unfair.
Worst line of the episode:
Buffy: "The trigger's not active anymore."
The whole Willow situation was odd. She tells Buffy she has to go somewhere, no details, and Buffy's not curious?
Gee. Nice to see Spike's a nice, compassionate guy. Find out you killed a guy's mom, tell him you killed a bunch of mothers. Nice to see a soul doesn't get in the way of being callous and glib.
I didn't think it was possible to dislike Spike more than I did, but this episode made him completely unsympathetic. His big, noble gesture is not killing someone? The fact that he bit Wood, instead of just beating him up, doesn't sit well with me.
Buffy's on the way there herself. Before she finds out Spike's cured, she declares him untouchable. She refuses to see any fault in Spike. She brushes off Giles. And her character is now All. About. Spike. Blah.
I'm foolishly hoping Buffy's refusal to let go of Spike is related to her lingering issues with Angel. She has a new souled vampire who might not be quite as nice or good as the last one, but at least this one will never leave her--Not for her own good, not for anyone's own good.
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Off topic, but I just thought of something that, IMHO, could make a cool possible spin-off...
It would center around Wood, with him as part of some special teams unit of the Initiative. I know a lot of people aren't too fond of Wood or the Initiative, but I think it could have potential, no pun intended.
It would center around Wood, with him as part of some special teams unit of the Initiative. I know a lot of people aren't too fond of Wood or the Initiative, but I think it could have potential, no pun intended.
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Buffy gets more and more unlikeable to me every week. I'm referring to the character not the show. She has never been the best at making important decisions before, but this was horrendous. I understand keeping Spike around because he's a good fighter, but there was absolutely NO need to remove the chains before they knew the trigger issue was resolved. I hope someone beats the living crap out of her for being so idiotic this season.
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I thought the threat of Spike killing Wood before the commercial break was so ridiculous. But I will say, Angel took nearly a hundred years to come to terms with his soul. Spike's had his for less than a year.
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I hope we seem more of Spike unleashed because Spike-with-a-soul is just an Angel retread.
I'm glad that Wood story is done - I was bored with its long shelf life. Hopefully this where the rousing finish starts.
Not enough Xander or Jonathan in this one so it was mediocre for me - and the Buffy 'attitude' is kinda off.
Is next week's re-run the one where Spike sleeps with Anya?
I'm glad that Wood story is done - I was bored with its long shelf life. Hopefully this where the rousing finish starts.
Not enough Xander or Jonathan in this one so it was mediocre for me - and the Buffy 'attitude' is kinda off.
Is next week's re-run the one where Spike sleeps with Anya?
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Originally posted by nny
I don't see why Buffy should kill Spike. If they're really worried about Spike turning on them against the First, they could send him to help Angel. Spike's done more to redeem himself than Anya, Willow, or Andrew have.
I don't see why Buffy should kill Spike. If they're really worried about Spike turning on them against the First, they could send him to help Angel. Spike's done more to redeem himself than Anya, Willow, or Andrew have.
Anya was right when she said that Spike has a magical 'get out of jail free' card that doesn't apply to anyone else.
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Originally posted by Rogue588
Andrew: "Willow, call for you from LA..somebody named Fred..guy sounds effeminate."
Andrew: "Willow, call for you from LA..somebody named Fred..guy sounds effeminate."
Buffy also said something to the effect that Spike is the most powerful weapon they have. Don't suppose Willow might have something to say about it?