The Xander thing doesn't bother me. He could have sent the, "I'm getting some" message or he could have sent a distress call sometime during the gap between when they stood up from the coffee table and when he was tied up. They never really showed how she got him all tied up.

As for the phrase, "Classic Buffy," it refers to the early seasons that were packed with "creature-of-the-week" episodes that had a strong balance of humor and action. It doesn't mean "Best of Buffy." Like it or not, last night's episode was very much in the spirit of many of the early episodes in seasons 1-3 where a Scooby would get into some silly mess, and they'd one-liner their way to last-minute safety.

das

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Originally posted by MrN
Re: the Xander text message. Maybe it was a 'I'm getting some' message he sent before he got tied up. I don't think the continuity supports this, but it is possible.

Well, with my old cell phone provider, i'd sometimes get [VOICE] messages a couple of hours or even DAYS after people left 'em..

I have a question.

1. If Spike killed the guys Mom he would have killed 3 Slayers?

Just not to sure about all of that. Think it's a trick?

~LP

• Quoth Lil' Penny •<HR SIZE=1>I have a question.

1. If Spike killed the guys Mom he would have killed 3 Slayers?

Just not to sure about all of that. Think it's a trick?

~LP <HR SIZE=1>

Asian chick during the Boxer Rebellion and Robin Hood's Merry Afro-Mom ... who else?

das

I didnt feel the dialouge was anywhere near the good lines of yesteryear.
Time for a series conclusion at the end of this season.

Angel has been much better this year.

Does a vampire having a soul make him/her good, or are they still capable of doing evil? Angel had a soul, but he was/is very wary of ever being around blood or anything that could tempt him.

A slightyl unrelated to the episode but to the mythos question:

If Willow had a spell to restore Angel's soul, why didn't she use it on other vampires like Spike and Drusilla after Angel? That would have elminated a lot of conflict.

On the Xander text message issue, I wouldn't be suprised if next week we hear Xander say 'oh man, I was just messaging you that I was gonna get some, what lucky happenstance'...

As far as Wood's mom, now I'm not a continuity freak or anything like that. These things don't interfere with my enjoying the show, but IIRC, Spike killed who we think is Wood's mom in 1980, Wood says he was 4. That would make him ~27. Wood definitely looks older than 27.

I thought Spike killed the afro'd slayer in 1977-1978, but that manes him around 30, which is almost 8 years older than Buffy.

Yeah, but this presupposes that the chip is a bad alternative.

I mean, it seems like vampires that run into Buffy have three options:

1.) Get staked. At which point, they're dead. If they are redeemable, then killing them is wrong--a greater wrong than a reversable medical procedure.

2.) Get ensouled. I eventually fanwanked that this never appeared as an option post-S2 (those orbs didn't look hard to come by, and S3+ Willow certainly had the power), because forcing the sould to deal with the horros committed by the body was an unfair thing to do to the soul.

3.) Get chipped. This certainly cripples the vampire, but it leaves them alive. It's reversable, which means that they have a chance at going back to their former state. It also (apparently) enables them to turn into shmoopy lovepuppies, and willingly get themselves resouled.

I'm not even trying to argue whether or not the ends justify the means--I'm just trying to figure out why, taken in context, the means are such a horrible thing. After ignoring the morality of Buffy indiscriminately killing possibly redeemable vampires for so long, it was irritating to hear it waved off as "The chip is a bad, unforgivable thing!" Especially considering current circumstances, in which Spike himself might rather have been chipped (Since he's good now, and doesn't particularly want to have the blood of innocents on his hands).

I know somebody else has already posted about this, but I was wondering what's the general consensus for when Giles showed the flashcards at the end. Was it supposed to be funny or serious? I know something can be funny and serious at the same time, but the flashcards were such a joke, I couldn't take Giles seriously. Especially since it seems like somebody makes a speech about how serious everything is every episode. Of course all we get every episode is comedy and no repercussions for the main cast. This is especially bad when compared to Angel where they're having to deal with some serious problems every episode.

That being said, I really enjoyed this episode because it was so funny, but the dialogue seemed off. For instance, little changes could make things even funnier like, "I'm watching a reality show about somebody who may or may not be a millionaire."

What I think Whedon needs to do since UPN has given him permission to write whatever he deems creatively feasible, including crossovers from Angel, is really pull a neat plot twist.

Whedon should write a story arc that requires viewing of both Buffy and Angel, and have the last three episodes of the arc occur like this: A)First one is on Angel,, B) second one is on Buffy series finale, and then C) Everything wraps up on Angel. Basically, Whedon could then trap viewers of one show into watching his other to find the end of the story. Since UPN no longer has Buffy, they won't lose any of their viewers for that show. However, Whedon could be sticking it to UPN as they could opt to keep watching WB.

has there been definitive word stating this will be the last season? i have read posts of the other actors not feeling as important as a certain star, but haven't seen a press release or any news as of yet. i don't think the series is headed in the direction of a finale this season, and if it happens it may be too forced.

I just was able to watch this thanks to the power going out and screwing up my VCR while I was at school. That's 2 weeks in a row, I think it'd be easier to not go to class

I thought it was good.

Giles flashcards and the interaction with the new slayer were great.

Ashantis performance

The Xander date storyline was good except for the actual date. Anya's reactions were funny and Xander telling Willow to make him gay was

i'd personally like to see a 6 hour mini series to wrap up both Angel and Buffy, that would be cool

Huh?

Since UPN no longer has Buffy? Is this some referance to Buffy possibly ending? I don't think i quite follow you here.

I'm guessing it is a reference to the fact that this is likely BtVS's final season...

Okay, first: Buffy, season 4.

Second: Why would Joss "stick it" to UPN? They picked up Buffy after season 5.

OK - so at least someone else laughed. Maybe I can stop worrying that was the first sign I was turning into a serial killer.

Willow only worked on the framework of the Gypsy spell.

But getting chipped doesn't mean redemption - it prevents any future violence against humans, yes, but there is no regret for past actions etc. And it leaves them to make trouble in other ways, like raise up other demons. So, I don't think it is suitable punishment and brings up questions about messing with free will.

I don't think getting 'ensouled' is a viable option - since it doesn't seem to be common knowledge. Even this isn't true redemption - the soul will cause great grief etc., but it is up to the vampire then to do enough good to be considered redeemed - and some people seem to think vampires are never redeemable.

I realize we're talking about this in a fantasy element, but if you think about it in terms of humans, you might see what the issues are.

I'm not saying chipping is, like, the ultimate good. I'm saying that given the options--chipping, ensoulment, or death, chipping is the one that does the least evil (since it's reversable, has the least restrictions on freedom, etc).

So, to have Buffy say, "Muzzling evil is wrong!" is stupid--it doesn't deal with the fact that she has no problem with slaughter. The line only really works when applied to Spike--because he does have the whole redemption thing to deal with--and not when applied to evil as a group.

I mean, yeah, the chip screws with free will, but I'd rather have an anti-violence chip in my head, that I could eventually get removed, than be killed. I'm not trying to call it a perfect solution--but it's quite a bit better than what she does on a regular basis.

Say it with me:

Spike gives Buffy the Hot!

The spell might have been specific to Angel/Angellus, for having killed the Gypsy princess.

Also, a vampire with a soul isn't necessarily "good." Just imagine giving the kind of power vampires have to "normal" people -- they would still probably abuse those powers. Faith, for example.

She's not killing vampires. They are already dead.

She didn't say "muzzling evil was wrong." She said keeping a muzzle on Spike was wrong. The only reason Buffy let him live as a vampire was because of the chip (well, that and this ME obsession with Spike which makes no sense.) She didn't have any problems with it when Spike the Vampire was chipped. But it's like keeping Angel "chained up" or something on the off change he might hurt someone.