why do you think jackson invites 'disadvantaged' kids to his ranch ?

their parents can probably barely afford to put food on the table , they aren't gonna say no !

True, but you can bet that if they were taken advantage of, they probably would sue to become not-so-disadvantaged... so far only one has, and that case is very questionable

Our society is so litigious, I would be shocked if all these kids were just keeping quiet about it.

After seeing this documentary I have changed my mind of the child molestation issue. I didnt belive there was any truth to that alligation back in the day. But after seeing jackson hold that kids hand during the interview it changed my mind. That kid was smiling a little to much. Kind of like when you ask your boy did you get any last night and he just smiles. It was the same smile I saw from that kid. Did you know since the allogations anyone who comes to neverland ranch has to sign a confidentiality agreement that limits them from any kind of litigation. Meaning they arent alloweed to sue jackson for any reason nor are alloweed to speak about what goes on there. Isnt that just a little strange?
I now also belive jackson has bought 3 kids from white women. If you did DNA on them I guarantee none of them would have jacksons genetics.
I also now belive the 2 women relationships hes had, that nurse, and prestley were just smoke screens to hide his homosexuality.
What also disturbs me after listing to his greatest hits cd today that most of his songs are about women. Since the documentary showed that he isnt a sexual person, I'm wondering if the songs are really about kids in his life?

I want the DEA to put some major investigating into this. Because the public desearves the truth.

Homosexuality has absolutely nothing to do with pedophilia.

if he is jacking off little boys yeah it does!

Abusing children is about control and trust. Most pedophiles are straight. Pedophilia doesnt reflect on consentual sex of any orientation.

a friend of a friend of mine is a Cop and was involved in a case where a Headmaster of a school was arrested and charged for possession of child pornography

He told me what amazed and sickened him about most of the child porn was that the children seemed happy to be involved and weren't explicitly aware of the abuse which was being rained down upon them . They had been 'programmed' to believe that such acts were natural.

I find this very disturbing

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Originally posted by puddytay
I want the DEA to put some major investigating into this...

the DEA handles child molestation cases now...?

LOL, This paranoa is ALOT more disturbing then any interview I seen with Michael.

"After seeing this documentary I have changed my mind of the child molestation issue. I didnt belive there was any truth to that alligation back in the day. But after seeing jackson hold that kids hand during the interview it changed my mind. That kid was smiling a little to much. Kind of like when you ask your boy did you get any last night and he just smiles. It was the same smile I saw from that kid. Did you know since the allogations anyone who comes to neverland ranch has to sign a confidentiality agreement that limits them from any kind of litigation. Meaning they arent alloweed to sue jackson for any reason nor are alloweed to speak about what goes on there. Isnt that just a little strange?
I now also belive jackson has bought 3 kids from white women. If you did DNA on them I guarantee none of them would have jacksons genetics.
I also now belive the 2 women relationships hes had, that nurse, and prestley were just smoke screens to hide his homosexuality.
What also disturbs me after listing to his greatest hits cd today that most of his songs are about women. Since the documentary showed that he isnt a sexual person, I'm wondering if the songs are really about kids in his life?

I want the DEA to put some major investigating into this. Because the public desearves the truth."

I agree a 44 year old man, should have some sort of grasp of parenting, everything I saw from the show did not demonstrate this. He's practically laughing at the attention and chaos at the zoo. He's letting his body guards and the interviewer protect his children. His "Peter Pan" syndrome fails to bring Michael Jackson any sort of comprehension of parenting skills needed to raise his own kids.

The shopping spree in Las Vegas was a gross representation of how Michael likes to live lavishly. I don't know how he spreads his money around but if I were him and he indeed loves children. I for one would be giving my money to as many charities and world wide children advocacys as possible.

I found it quite amusing to see the "King of Pop" at one point being interviewed while sitting on a gold throne.

It's my understanding that this documentary was shot for Granada (UK) Television, and that ABC picked up the rights to air this in the states.

Did anyone see Good Morning America this morning, supposedly there was extra scenes and revelations that weren't included in the original documentary??

Its just a button. Nothing to be scared of.

it is usually instances like this. he's a headmaster, therefore, perceived as "thustworthy." just as priests get away with so much. because of their high religious position, people, especially children, believe they shouldn't be questioned for things they choose to do.

I don't believe for a second Michael Jackson is homosexual. Nor do I think he's capable of hetersexual activity. You ever wonder why his voice is so high? Eunochs had similar voices. I believe Jackson was castrated before he hit puberty. He never impregnated Debbie Rowe, but I'm fairly sure he paid her a hefty sum for those two kids. Afterall, he bought her a house and she lives off his dole. All she was was a surrugate mother. Nothing more.

After watching the documentary I was appalled by both Michael Jackson's peculiar behavior and Martin Bashir's shameless betrayal of trust. It's not the first time Martin Bashir has lied to people he has interviewed. I suppose at the end of the day he wanted only 'good television', and I suppose that 15 million viewers suggests 'good television' was what he got. Whatever skeletons Jackson has in his Neverland closet aside, I felt almost ashamed to be British while watching the stitch-up interview.....

http://www.nbc4.tv/entertainment/196...202102003&ts=H

Singer Had Own Camera Shoot Footage During Documentary

UPDATED: 11:39 a.m. EST February 10, 2003

Michael Jackson is far from being through with his actions against British interviewer Martin Bashir and the documentary he produced on the pop star's life.

The self-proclaimed "King of Pop" said in a statement issued by publicists in London Sunday that he's getting ready to release a video that features footage his own cameraman shot during the eight-month period Bashir shot the documentary.

"The film shows extraordinary scenes of Martin Bashir praising the way Michael treats children and commenting on how good a father he is," the statement said.

And, the statement claimed Bashir was being manipulative with the narration on the documentary.

"On the face of it, either Martin Bashir was lying to Michael or was misleading his audience on the voiceovers on the film," the statement said.

Jackson's lawyers filed complaints last week with Britain's Independent Television Commission and the Broadcasting Standards Commission, alleging the documentary, titled "Living With Michael Jackson," insinuates that Jackson is guilty of inappropriate behavior with children.

Jackson issued a statement Thursday saying he felt "betrayed" by Bashir.

In the documentary, Bashir expressed concern about the way Jackson treated his children. The program also caused controversy because Jackson said he sometimes lets children other than his sleep in his bed.

"I am bewildered at the length to which people will go to portray me so negatively," Jackson said in the statement Sunday. "I will say again that I have never, and would never, harm a child. It sickens me that people have written things that portray me as a child abuser."

The documentary drew nearly 27 million American viewers Thursday, and 15 million viewers in Britain last Monday.

Granada, the television company behind the documentary, defended its show in a statement last week that said, "There has been no distortion, misrepresentation or breach of trust. Martin Bashir agreed with Michael that we'd make an honest film about his life and we've fulfilled that promise."


Chris

http://tv.zap2it.com/news/tvnewsdaily.html?30118

Wed, Feb 12, 2003 00:05 AM PDT

LOS ANGELES (Zap2it.com) - First, NBC announced that its newsmagazine "Dateline" will devote an episode at the end of February sweeps to what exactly Michael Jackson has had done to his face. Then, ABC stole some of the peacock's thunder by airing British journalist Martin Bashir's two-hour documentary, culled from eight months spent with the King of Pop, where Jackson displayed all sorts of bizarre behavior, including repeated denials that he hasn't had any plastic surgery.

Now, FOX has stepped up to the plate to screen the footage that didn't make it into Bashir's piece -- footage shot by Jackson's own camerman that the singer says proves that Bashir both lied to him and betrayed his trust.

The two-hour special, currently titled "Michael Jackson Take 2: The Interview They Wouldn't Show You," will air on Thursday, Feb. 20 at 8 p.m. ET and will include side-by-side comparisons of what Jackson's cameraman caught and Bashir chose to show, as well as footage of the two developing a rapport, discussing current events and what Jackson claims are effusive compliments about his parenting skills.

This makes CBS the only network yet to jump into the Jackson fray, although "60 Minutes" correspondent Ed Bradley is reported to have shown up at Jackson's Neverland Ranch this past Saturday to film an interview that would have aired the next night only to be turned away.



Well this should be interesting. I've never understood why people with money and power never make it a condition for an interview, that they have final say what is broadcoast or written about them. They are just asking for the truth (? in this case) to be twisted around by yellow journalism.


Chris

...or get a man!

I found some interesting info yesterday. I was talking to a friend about him saying his first girlfriend was Tatum O'neil and how she must've loved her name being brought up.

I did a search on Google and found someone quoting an interview in Vibe magazine from several years ago. Tatum O'neil said that she and Michael were great friends when he was 17 and she was 12!!! She also mentioned one time he was in her room and he was so shy that he wouldn't even sit on her bed. She didn't mention anything about her trying to seduce him, but I bet that was the time he was talking about. Talk about a whole new spin on the story he was telling. He made it sound like he was 12, saying she was his first girlfriend and he wasn't ready to have sex.

anyone notice the people coming out to defend him publicly??? they are oddities in their own right: elizabeth taylor, lisa marie and priscilla presley, liza and her freak-husband david gest, macauley culkin, etc. (!!!!)

how can you really believe ANYTHING they say about him???

I was going to post this the other day, but here is the answer to your question.

http://www.nbc4.tv/entertainment/196...102102003&ts=H

Tatum O'Neal Scoffs At Michael Jackson's Story
Actress Says Comments About Friendship 'Inaccurate'

POSTED: 1:00 p.m. EST February 10, 2003
UPDATED: 2:22 p.m. EST February 10, 2003

Actress Tatum O'Neal said she's "just as shocked as everyone else" by some of the things Michael Jackson said in that documentary Thursday night.

O'Neal told "Access Hollywood" she has "a great deal of respect for Michael Jackson as an artist and as a person. However, he has a very vivid imagination."

She said Jackson's comments about their friendship were "inaccurate."

Jackson had said he had gone to O'Neal's house. He said he got scared when she started to unbutton his shirt. He said he covered his face and she walked away.

O'Neal, now 39, said Jackson did come over to her house when her father was home. And, she says "at 12 years old, there was no way" she was capable "of being as mature or as sophisticated as he claimed" she was.

O'Neal, who won a Best Supporting Actress Oscar for 1973's "Paper Moon," said her "heart goes out to Michael Jackson" and she wishes her "very best to him and his family."

The actress is the daughter of actor Ryan O'Neal, and ex-wife of tennis great John McEnroe.


Chris

http://tv.zap2it.com/news/tvnewsdaily.html?30164

Thu, Feb 13, 2003 06:45 PM PDT

LOS ANGELES (Zap2it.com) - The cameraman Michael Jackson used to record footage of interviewer Martin Bashir during the making of "Living with Michael Jackson" is a friend of the singer's who used to direct adult films.

His name is F. Marc Schaffel, and the footage he shot makes up much of "Michael Jackson Take 2: The Interview They Wouldn't Show You," a special airing Thursday, Feb. 20 on FOX. The special, for which the network reportedly paid a seven-figure sum, is Jackson's attempt to rebut Bashir's portrait of him in "Living with Michael Jackson."

"Living with ..." aired Feb. 6 on ABC to an audience of 27 million people. Since then, Jackson has attacked Bashir's credibility, saying the British journalist praised his parenting skills while the cameras were off but then "betrayed" him. In the documentary, Bashir says he was unnerved by Jackson's acknowledgment that kids sometimes share a bedroom with the singer at his Neverland Ranch.

The FOX special will include no new comments from Jackson himself, although it will feature an interview with Debbie Rowe, his ex-wife and mother of his two older children.

Schaffel, who's directed a number of gay-porn movies under the name Marc Frederics, was also involved with the production of "What More Can I Give?," a single and video Jackson said he was recording to benefit victims of the Sept. 11 attacks. After a flurry of publicity surrounding the announcement, the song has never been released, and the video wasn't even filmed.

According to a New Times LA story last year, "What More Can I Give?" was scrapped after Jackson's handlers, after learning about Schaffel's previous job, asked Sony not to release the song. Schaffel told the paper it was suppressed by people looking to undermine Jackson's career.

Meanwhile, Granada, the British company that produced "Living with Michael Jackson," continues to stand by both Bashir and its film.

"Martin Bashir has nothing to hide -- he knew Michael Jackson's aides were filming him at various times," the company says in a statement. "This is becoming the most expensive, clumsy and desperate attempt at shooting the messenger we've ever seen."




Boy the story behind the story is getting as interesting as the story itself!

Chris

imdb.com

Michael Jackson is facing further embarrassment over his controversial documentary Living With Michael Jackson - actress Tatum O'Neal has lashed out at his claims that she tried to seduce him. Bad singer Jackson told British journalist Martin Bashir that O'Neal, now divorced from former tennis ace John McEnroe, attempted to bed him, but he couldn't go through with it because he was overcome with shyness. In the interview, which aired on American and British TV last week, Jackson revealed, "She told me to go over and lie on the bed. I lay on the bed and she slowly walked over and she touched the button on my shirt to open it." The Indiana native, who says he covered his face with his hands and wouldn't let them down, added, "She just walked away. She knew I was too shy for it. That's what happened. I was frightened, I was afraid." But O'Neal has hit out at the claims, stating, "He has a very vivid imagination. His comments about our friendship were inaccurate. Michael did come over to my house when my father was home, but at 12 years old, there was no way I was capable of being as mature or as sophisticated as he claimed I was."

http://www.nbc4.tv/entertainment/198...202182003&ts=H

LAPD Detective: Boy Was 'Credible Witness'

POSTED: 9:03 a.m. EST February 18, 2003

On the heels of the controversial British documentary "Living With Michael Jackson" comes more startling revelations about the pop singer -- this time from one of the investigators in Jackson's 1993 child molestation case.

Retired Los Angeles Police Department detective Bill Dworan broke his silence about the case with NBC's "Dateline" Monday night, when the program reviewed the allegations that Jackson had a sexual relationship with a 13-year-old California boy.

Dworan told the program that those who heard from the boy who made the allegations were "satisfied that he was a credible witness."

No criminal charges were ever filed in the case, because the boy and his family refused to cooperate with the authorities after they made an undisclosed multi-million dollar settlement with the singer.

Details of the boy's claims surfaced last week when the scandal Web site The Smoking Gun posted the complaint filed with the Superior Court of Los Angeles in the 1993, which graphically depicted his alleged sexual encounters with Jackson.

Among the revelations by the investigator on "Dateline" Monday night was a description of an alarm system Jackson had set up in his home at the Neverland Ranch.

Dworan said it was designed to sound an alarm whenever someone approached Jackson's private bedroom -- which is only accessible by way of a hallway.

Questions of Jackson's relationships with children hit a fever pitch recently after the airing of the "Living With Michael Jackson" special on ABC -- where British interviewer Martin Bashir questioned the singer about the appropriateness of young children sharing his bedroom. Bashir also expressed concern about the way Jackson treated his own children.

In response to what he called a "betrayal" by Bashir, Jackson revealed that had video that his own cameraman shot during the making of documentary, which the Fox network snapped up for air.

In excerpts of the video released last week by Jackson, Bashir tells the singer "your relationship with your children is spectacular."

He said it almost makes him "weep" when he sees how loving Jackson is with his kids.

Other Jackson revelations in the "Dateline" special came with an interview of a doctor who shared a practice with the singer's personal plastic surgeon.

Dr. Wallace Goodstein told the program that Jackson was in the office to have work done on his face once every six to eight weeks. He said all told, he believes the singer has had more than 50 procedures done on his face -- costing anywhere $500,000 to $1 million.

In the "Living With Michael Jackson" documentary, the singer told Bashir that he has only had two operations -- both on his nose.

One of Jackson's friends, businessman Donald Trump, was interviewed for the show as well. Trump said he's sure there are times now that Jackson looks at himself in the mirror and says, "How the (expletive) did I do this to myself."


Will the truth ever be known?

Chris

so, i missed the rebuttal documentary by jackson tonight. anything of importance?

funny how no one comments on this.. that bashir totally alter the interview. even tho , i dont agree with him sharing kids beds