I wish that Ken would have revealed what that was.

Obviously he was privy to a conversation that wasn't shown on the air and it would have interesting if he would have explained it, rather than tap-dancing around the issue.

I think what many viewers forget is that the cameras are not on all the contestants 24-7 and a lot of stuff also gets left on the cutting room floor.

So there are are many comments & conversations that have gone on that we are not privy to.

I've heard that for every episode (which is approximately 45 minutes), there is over 150 hours of camera footage that is used to create those 45 minutes....

That's pretty amazing editing!!

I gotta agree with that. No way I think I could look past somebody looking directly in my eye, and flat out lying to me..

Wrapup show, was better then the final episode. I still am in complete disbelief, that Ted/Helen/Jan couldn't get their head out of the sand, and band together to take out Clay. H@ll even Jan and Helen could have voted both clay, caused a tie, and saw what happened... I'm glad Jeff tried to figure it out, but both were stupid to have a real reason.. I truly can't understand, it's not like they're on other sides of the island, they're around each other all the time.

I wanted Ted to win, but if not him I would have voted Clay. Sure he was rough around the edges, but he was outspoken, and honest about it. Brian to me, is the carsalesman defined. Loved when they were ripping on him about it.

I wonder, did Helen intentially tell Ted that Clay was racist to swing his vote? Possibly, he and Brian had some unspoken deal... It's not the craziest thing to imagine. Ted surely must have known Clay was brash already, and although clay says the wrong thing sometimes, he really did look like he was gonna strangle helen when ted said she told him that. I think he didn't say it.. because if he did I think he's the type who would have been like yeah I did, but I was joking or something like that at the very least.

Either way good show, didn't like the outcome, but that's why I watch. I"m much happier this year then last when vesepi or whatever won. That was like giving the person who did nothing, wasn't good at any of the challenges, had no strategy etc. a reward for their stupidity.

Amazon look cool, but I also vote on Alaska or something like that. How about Siberia.

It's a GAME.

You bluff during poker, right? Same thing.

I was so sick of these people getting pissed because they are being lied to. That's how you win. You have to tell some lie's in order to win the game. Helen is the typical controlling b*&ch that must have everything her way or she is pissed. I hated both Clay and Brian but I am much happier that they won over Helen. I would hate to be her husband.

Yeah I guess you're right. but in poker you're not even putting on this front of a team etc.

Don't get me wrong I would do the same thing, I just dont' think I would have voted for somebody who lied to my face, instead would have voted for the guy who was just outspoken the whole time. I'm sure clay would have said flat out we're voting for you.. Doesn't much matter, I agree, either is better then Helen winning.

I wish Jeff would have called Helen out and get her to reveal what was the racist remark that Clay had supposedly made. As it stands now, a lot of people may be thinking that Clay is nothing but a redneck racists as Ted said he was without knowing all the facts, which is totally unfair for Clay. I imagine it will all eventually come out, but I guess Jeff didn't want delve further into this issue last night for he didn't want it to get any uglier than it already was.

But I got the impression from Ken that Brian was the racist. The Clay thing came out of left field. I mean the guy clearly is a redneck (not that there is anything wrong with that) but he didn't strike me as the racist type.

Am I alone here in thinking that Clay just wanted to flirt with the women, which is why he knew so much about Penny and talked to her so much? It's not like he did that with Jan or Helen. Or was it just the editing that made him look like such a lecherous person?

I would be hurt if someone lied to my face, but I still wouldn't want a guy who was lazy to win it all. i think Helen was most hurt because she was totally embarassed by the vote, and even Jan went against her. When she lost the immunity challenge before, she was more upset that she embarassed herself than that she lost. And who can forget her yelling at her husband that he better eat those things so that he can be with her? She's pretty intense.

So what exactly do the jury members do? Do they get to watch some of what goes on in the tribe after they're kicked off? Or do they just see what happens in tribal counsels and from what other people tell them happened? I mean, Erin clearly didn't know either Brian or Clay all that well, and probably voted with her buddy Ken.

As I have said, there is NO WAY I could have voted for Clay. Brian carried him all the way into the finals because he (correctly) judged him to be a repulsive, objectionable, misogynist, redneck slug that no one could give a million dollar prize.

Unfortunately, he did not reckon on the collective mindpower of the Barbie set (Ken, Erin, and Penny). (Yeah, Erin, you almost did disprove the stereotype of the implanted bimbo - until you voted for Clay!)

Brian wasn't so smart after all, but he absolutely deserved to win with his immunity run and by bringing Clay to the finals with him. I was pissed that people were so petty that they would not concede his due as best player to him and would vote for the other guy out of spite and jealousy.

In retrospect, the jury really was composed of idiots. Have we ever seen more unstable people than Ted, Helen and Jan? Counting on those three was a leap of faith! Jake was the only guy there worth knowing...

Does anyone else think that Ted calling Clay a redneck, hill-billy, hick and then accusing him of being a racist is a bit ironic?

After her Q&A with Brian and Clay (unfortunately, I don't remember the question), I remember thinking that Erin was a solid vote for Brian considering the way they each answered and Erin's reaction to their answers. I was stunned when she said that she was voting for Clay - it made no sense at all.

great show. Brian clearly was the best player in the game. I remember during the merger, Brian planting the seed in everyone's head how lazy Clay is and that he needs to go. So he actually plotting to Clay back with him to the finals to win the votes. I also found funny Jeff cracking jokes on Brian for miss spelling "Raod" . I bet inside Brian was like "you fool i was plotting to get rid of my threat in the immunity challenges." I must say Brian is brillant for his plotting. Brian and Hatch are the only two survivors who have my respect to playing this game.

Oh I guess since it was a black man who accussed a white man of racism it must be true ?

Jeff called Ted out on the reunion show and Ted looked like a deer caught in the headlights. His answer was "um... that's what Helen said he said. Jeff responded, "oh so you are calling Clay a racist just on heresay" ? Jeff also said "he never once saw anything Clay said or did to be considered racist."

I'll take Jeff's word for it.

I never said it was true.

What I did say was none of us were there around all the contestants and heard what they said 24-7.

So it's silly to say "Clay never said anything racist." You don't know that he NEVER said that. CBS never showed him say anything racist. Big difference.

Even more silly to say "since CBS didn't show us everything there it could be true"

Jeff is the host of the show. He was there. He said it didn't happen. Ted has zero proof that it did.

Why are you assuming Ted is right ?
Because Clay is white and from the South.

Ted has a lot of nerve accusing Clay or anyone of being a racist with zero proof !

He's the second black man on Survivor to do this.
Sean thought every white person on the island was a racist.

Ted lost because he didn't play the game as good as Brian did.
Brian brought Clay along because he knew he would have the best chance against Clay and he was right.

Jeff would show up every 2 days, make them play a game for 15 minutes, then leave to go relax in his hotel room.

He doesn't know squat about what was happening besides those 15 minute games and 15 minutes tribal councils.

Brian won not only becuase he played the game well mentally, but he won all the last immunity challenges too. If he hadn't won all those, I can only assume the pecking order would have been different.

Is it just me, or was I the only one expecting someone to write "neither" on their card? Personally, I didn't like Brian or Clay.

You know this how ?
I'm sure he has watched all of the footage from the show with the producers.

I used to work in TV...

The host is just that, a host. he'll show up, say what he's supposed to, and be outta there. The decision-making and everyhing else is up to the producers and directors... it's their job. It's a host's job to look good and be articulate in front of the camera.

Survivor is a little different than other shows.
Jeff is on the island with them for 38 days.

Yeah - you have to figure that he would be screening the footage while they are there. Not every minute but I am sure that he would see the controversial parts. He is not involved in the decision-making process but he certainly would have an idea of what is going on in the camps.

Sigh.

Again where did I say I say I assumed Ted was right?

I said I didn't know what happened. He could be right, he could be wrong. I was not privy to hearing everything Clay said.

Why are so quick to think Clay couldn't have possibly have ever said a racist remark the entire 38 days on the island?

But he's not "living the life" -- he gets a nice room, meals, a daily shower & shave, etc. he's in Thailand but he's no "Survivor"

Here is you response to me saying that Clay never said anything racist during the show ?

You are inferring that you believe that Clay did say something racist otherwise you wouldn't have said it.

Ted has no proof, none !
Why do you think he's right, because he is black or because Clay is white and from the South ?

Ted admits he never heard anything from Clay and that he is basing his charge only on what Helen told him.
Jeff backs up Clay by saying he never said anything racist.

But you believe Clay did ?
Why ?

Ted is 100% wrong for calling Clay a racist on national television
with no proof at all.
He looked like a fool when Jeff called him on it.