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Old 11-27-02 | 08:22 AM
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Originally posted by Patman
You'll have to go back and re-watch "Amends" for more First Evil details.
What season is "Amends" from?
Old 11-27-02 | 08:25 AM
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What did Spike say when Buffy asked him about the chip in his head not working? I couldn't make out what he said.
Something like 'I hadn't realized it had [stopped working]'
Old 11-27-02 | 08:30 AM
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Amends is in Season 3, episode 9. And hey...Buffy Season 3 will be on DVD in January, how's that for timing!
Old 11-27-02 | 08:51 AM
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I know we're going into rerun mode, but does anyone know the upcoming schedule of new vs reruns for BtVS?
Old 11-27-02 | 08:53 AM
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Even though I have seen Amends, I can't wait to see it again, since the details are not fresh in my mind. Hurry up, Buffy Season 3 DVDs!!
Old 11-27-02 | 08:54 AM
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Anthony Stewart Head signed on for 10 or more episodes I think. They wouldn't kill Giles yet.
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Just because ASH is signed on for ten episodes doesn't mean he's going to be playing Giles.

The First Evil seems to have the ability to shapeshift or disguise itself as dead people.

Just a (horrible) thought...
Old 11-27-02 | 09:16 AM
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Originally posted by lwhy?
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Anthony Stewart Head signed on for 10 or more episodes I think. They wouldn't kill Giles yet. That vampire looked alot like the Master right? Is it the master.
Uh, I didn't say see if it features Anthony Stewart Head. I said see if it features Anthony Stewart's Head. A little decapitaion humor.

Plus, about the confusion on the vampire, it is established that what we call a vampire is a hybrid between a real vampire and a human. This is what they portray a full vampire to look liike (though different, IIRC, from the "full vampire" Angel became in that bearded women and lame dancing dimension).
Old 11-27-02 | 09:40 AM
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I have season 3 from the UK and watched it last week. It does shed some light on the first evil and she never really defeated it. Maybe it should just snow in Sunnydale again and all will be better.

They never found Giles and the other watcher guy. Maybe they are alive somewhere but why would they let them live, thats the weird part.
Old 11-27-02 | 09:41 AM
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For those needing a refresher on "Amends":

http://www.buffyguide.com/episodes/a...mendssyn.shtml

Has the first evil made any appearances since that episode? I don't remember any
Old 11-27-02 | 09:56 AM
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I knew the principal was no good too.
Slow down, Turbo... I'm betting he's a watcher. And I bet if they ever do a series with Dawn as a slayer, he'll be her watcher.
Old 11-27-02 | 10:15 AM
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Questions:

1) Why wasn't Jonathan's blood enough to open the "hellmouth?" The tossed-off explanation by "morphy" that he wasn't big enough doesn't work for me.

2) What exactly was the principal doing? There was little surprise on his face as to finding Jonathan's body over the hellmouth seal. But I'm not convinced that he's evil - I'm leaning more on the side that he's a watcher.

3) If Jonathan's blood wasn't enough to open the "hellmouth," then why would "morphy" push Andrew into killing a lowly pig? Why would pig's blood be any different - regardless of the amount dripped on the seal? Or is this just Andrew's squeamishness and misinterpretation of "morphy's" suggestions? (Great lines though: "That'll do pig.")

4) Is "morphy" really the same as "The First"? Or is he some familiar/servant of "The First" - since "morphy" as Buffy stood alongside "The First" when the seal was finally opened? I realize that "morphy" is picking more heavily on a confused and somewhat diminished (what with the regaining of his soul and all) Spike and the easily manipulated Andrew. But "morphy's" suggestions didn't really seem to be working that well. All of these episodes have only lead up to dripping the "right" blood on the seal and releasing "The First?" That's not terribly effective. Why did "morphy" appear so much more malevolent and dangerous during the "Conversations" episode than he has recently?

5) Maybe I missed this, but who was tying Spike to the St. Andrew's cross? Was it the cloaked ones? Was it Andrew? Who cut the symbols into Spike's chest?

6) Why do the cloaked ones have mangled eyes?

7) How did Buffy know that the chip wasn't working anymore?

Observations:

1) Xander's detailed explanation to Andrew how Anya had killed her last victim was very, very revealing. Somehow I think those two will be back together before the end of the series.

2) Willow and Andrew's exchange in the alley behind the butcher's shop was comic-book perfect.
Old 11-27-02 | 10:17 AM
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My take, plot-wise... The Watcher's Council are all dead. That was the point -- to watch them all gearing up, and making plans to spring into action, only to *go boom*...

I was surprised to have the Hooded Ones show up at the Summer's house already -- and be revealed as First's minions... I thought we were headed for a two-track evil system, and that they'd be something else, more of a non-supernatural enemy...

Still unsure whether the Principal will turn out to be a baddie or a hidden watcher, but he's clearly involved -- as we knew he would be... If he's a good guy, perhaps he and Giles will be the only 2 watchers left...
Old 11-27-02 | 10:37 AM
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Shoot! I never thought of that, but the principal could be a watcher. Found it funny that the principal's office is on the hellmouth. The first evil did show itself, but mostly in the form of a person they already new. The guys with no eyes, are the Harbingers or priests of the first evil and they serve it. My guess is that the vampire is the first vampire ever and that it's not the master.
Old 11-27-02 | 10:41 AM
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Originally posted by elektra
Shoot! I never thought of that, but the principal could be a watcher. Found it funny that the principal's office is on the hellmouth. The first evil did show itself, but mostly in the form of a person they already new. The guys with no eyes, are the Harbingers or priests of the first evil and they serve it. My guess is that the vampire is the first vampire ever and that it's not the master.
I'm going with the theory that the principal will ultimately be shown to be a good guy (or at least not a bad guy), though we will be led to believe he's one of the nasties until some righteous revelation. Maybe a watcher of some sort - though if Tuesday was any indication - the ONLY watcher.

As for The First, I'm fuzzy on my Season 3 recollections (other than being constantly blinded by the beauty that is Faith). Is he the first Vamp, pure and unadulterated evil or The Devil? Or don't we know yet?
Old 11-27-02 | 10:47 AM
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Originally posted by elektra
Shoot! I never thought of that, but the principal could be a watcher. Found it funny that the principal's office is on the hellmouth. The first evil did show itself, but mostly in the form of a person they already new. The guys with no eyes, are the Harbingers or priests of the first evil and they serve it. My guess is that the vampire is the first vampire ever and that it's not the master.
Hey hey... principal Watcher (as in "first" Watcher) versus the First Evil.
Old 11-27-02 | 10:54 AM
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I have a question, i think it was the first season when they were talkin about the first vampire, and like when the demons roamed the earth, and when one was leaving he bit someone and that was like the first vampire, i think thats right, but was that the master or the first?
Old 11-27-02 | 11:06 AM
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My thoughts/predictions:

1. The Council is all but destroyed. I think that was pretty clear (even though the effects were a bit shoddy)

2. The principal was being controlled. He walked past the door, then seemed to respond to a call or something. No expressions at all. Maybe another sleeper?

3. The sacrifice of Jonathan wasn't enough. They needed more blood to open the portal. Since "Morphy" couldn't hurt anything itself, and it's minions weren't there yet, it tried to use Andrew to get more blood. When that failed, they captured Spike. Not sure why it HAD to be Spike, but I imagine that will come up later.

4. The First Evil and The Real Vampire are two different things. The hellmouth portal opened, and a real vampire (not a human/demon that we've seen all along) came out. I imagine there will either be more things coming or more vampires. I don't think the vampire is the real "big bad" (Buffy kills him and it's over seems way too easy.)

5. Giles will take the remanants of the Watchers and the Slayers-In-Training and help Buffy fight The First Evil.

These are just predictions based on the episode. I don't read spoilers so I have no idea if any of this is true.
Old 11-27-02 | 11:38 AM
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My take on the principal:

His name is Robin Wood - Sounds like "Robin Hood"

He will ultimatly be a good guy. But maybe in a "bad guy" way like Robin Hood.

Originally posted by Draven
My thoughts/predictions:
4. The First Evil and The Real Vampire are two different things. The hellmouth portal opened, and a real vampire (not a human/demon that we've seen all along) came out.
I thought the vampire that emerged was quite obviously - "The Master" from season one. Right down to his leather outfit!

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Old 11-27-02 | 12:32 PM
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I think the big bad from Angel would kick the First evil's ass, so he probably isn't even the big bad.
Old 11-27-02 | 01:27 PM
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I wish that I could catch up with Angel. I never watched it. I only started watching Buffy a couple of months ago, but thanks to syndication, mIRC, and DVDs, I am up to date. With Angel Season One coming out on DVD soon, I will probably get that, and decide if I want to try to see the rest. It would have been nice to see them together at the same time, since some of the episodes are overlapping.
Old 11-27-02 | 01:28 PM
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Didn't look a thing like the Master who was old, but not the first vampire. Could it be him? Yes. However, I'm guessing it's the first vampire ever before the hybrids. I thought it was him at first too, until I got a look at the face which was totally different.
Old 11-27-02 | 01:44 PM
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I thought that it looked a bit like the Master, but it definitely wasn't. Now we have weeks to wait before we find out anything else!
Old 11-27-02 | 01:44 PM
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I didn't think the vampire looked like the Master but I could be wrong. I'm really hoping that the principal turns out to be a watcher - something has to be up for him not to look the least bit surprised to see Warren's body laying there. Wood and Giles leading the last remaining slayers (if there's anybody left other than Buffy and Faith) into battle against the First One will be cool. Can't wait for the season 3 box set to refresh myself on that whole storyline.
Old 11-27-02 | 01:49 PM
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Doesn't the First Evil look like "Mutant Enemy" at the end of every episode of Buffy's credits? Also, didn't it make the sound "Grr Argh" which is also the "Mutant Enemy" sound effect.
Old 11-27-02 | 01:51 PM
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I thought that it looked a bit like the Master, but it definitely wasn't. Now we have weeks to wait before we find out anything else!
I thought it was the master, but with "wear and tear", if all "real" vamps have that same look, then maybe it wasn't - but I still think it was!


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