Buffy 11/26/02
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Originally posted by movieking
What did Spike say when Buffy asked him about the chip in his head not working? I couldn't make out what he said.
What did Spike say when Buffy asked him about the chip in his head not working? I couldn't make out what he said.
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Originally posted by lwhy?
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Originally posted by lwhy?
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Plus, about the confusion on the vampire, it is established that what we call a vampire is a hybrid between a real vampire and a human. This is what they portray a full vampire to look liike (though different, IIRC, from the "full vampire" Angel became in that bearded women and lame dancing dimension).
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I have season 3 from the UK and watched it last week. It does shed some light on the first evil and she never really defeated it. Maybe it should just snow in Sunnydale again and all will be better.
They never found Giles and the other watcher guy. Maybe they are alive somewhere but why would they let them live, thats the weird part.
They never found Giles and the other watcher guy. Maybe they are alive somewhere but why would they let them live, thats the weird part.
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For those needing a refresher on "Amends":
http://www.buffyguide.com/episodes/a...mendssyn.shtml
Has the first evil made any appearances since that episode? I don't remember any
http://www.buffyguide.com/episodes/a...mendssyn.shtml
Has the first evil made any appearances since that episode? I don't remember any
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Originally posted by elektra
I knew the principal was no good too.
I knew the principal was no good too.
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Questions:
1) Why wasn't Jonathan's blood enough to open the "hellmouth?" The tossed-off explanation by "morphy" that he wasn't big enough doesn't work for me.
2) What exactly was the principal doing? There was little surprise on his face as to finding Jonathan's body over the hellmouth seal. But I'm not convinced that he's evil - I'm leaning more on the side that he's a watcher.
3) If Jonathan's blood wasn't enough to open the "hellmouth," then why would "morphy" push Andrew into killing a lowly pig? Why would pig's blood be any different - regardless of the amount dripped on the seal? Or is this just Andrew's squeamishness and misinterpretation of "morphy's" suggestions? (Great lines though: "That'll do pig.")
4) Is "morphy" really the same as "The First"? Or is he some familiar/servant of "The First" - since "morphy" as Buffy stood alongside "The First" when the seal was finally opened? I realize that "morphy" is picking more heavily on a confused and somewhat diminished (what with the regaining of his soul and all) Spike and the easily manipulated Andrew. But "morphy's" suggestions didn't really seem to be working that well. All of these episodes have only lead up to dripping the "right" blood on the seal and releasing "The First?" That's not terribly effective. Why did "morphy" appear so much more malevolent and dangerous during the "Conversations" episode than he has recently?
5) Maybe I missed this, but who was tying Spike to the St. Andrew's cross? Was it the cloaked ones? Was it Andrew? Who cut the symbols into Spike's chest?
6) Why do the cloaked ones have mangled eyes?
7) How did Buffy know that the chip wasn't working anymore?
Observations:
1) Xander's detailed explanation to Andrew how Anya had killed her last victim was very, very revealing. Somehow I think those two will be back together before the end of the series.
2) Willow and Andrew's exchange in the alley behind the butcher's shop was comic-book perfect.
1) Why wasn't Jonathan's blood enough to open the "hellmouth?" The tossed-off explanation by "morphy" that he wasn't big enough doesn't work for me.
2) What exactly was the principal doing? There was little surprise on his face as to finding Jonathan's body over the hellmouth seal. But I'm not convinced that he's evil - I'm leaning more on the side that he's a watcher.
3) If Jonathan's blood wasn't enough to open the "hellmouth," then why would "morphy" push Andrew into killing a lowly pig? Why would pig's blood be any different - regardless of the amount dripped on the seal? Or is this just Andrew's squeamishness and misinterpretation of "morphy's" suggestions? (Great lines though: "That'll do pig.")
4) Is "morphy" really the same as "The First"? Or is he some familiar/servant of "The First" - since "morphy" as Buffy stood alongside "The First" when the seal was finally opened? I realize that "morphy" is picking more heavily on a confused and somewhat diminished (what with the regaining of his soul and all) Spike and the easily manipulated Andrew. But "morphy's" suggestions didn't really seem to be working that well. All of these episodes have only lead up to dripping the "right" blood on the seal and releasing "The First?" That's not terribly effective. Why did "morphy" appear so much more malevolent and dangerous during the "Conversations" episode than he has recently?
5) Maybe I missed this, but who was tying Spike to the St. Andrew's cross? Was it the cloaked ones? Was it Andrew? Who cut the symbols into Spike's chest?
6) Why do the cloaked ones have mangled eyes?
7) How did Buffy know that the chip wasn't working anymore?
Observations:
1) Xander's detailed explanation to Andrew how Anya had killed her last victim was very, very revealing. Somehow I think those two will be back together before the end of the series.
2) Willow and Andrew's exchange in the alley behind the butcher's shop was comic-book perfect.
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My take, plot-wise... The Watcher's Council are all dead. That was the point -- to watch them all gearing up, and making plans to spring into action, only to *go boom*...
I was surprised to have the Hooded Ones show up at the Summer's house already -- and be revealed as First's minions... I thought we were headed for a two-track evil system, and that they'd be something else, more of a non-supernatural enemy...
Still unsure whether the Principal will turn out to be a baddie or a hidden watcher, but he's clearly involved -- as we knew he would be... If he's a good guy, perhaps he and Giles will be the only 2 watchers left...
I was surprised to have the Hooded Ones show up at the Summer's house already -- and be revealed as First's minions... I thought we were headed for a two-track evil system, and that they'd be something else, more of a non-supernatural enemy...
Still unsure whether the Principal will turn out to be a baddie or a hidden watcher, but he's clearly involved -- as we knew he would be... If he's a good guy, perhaps he and Giles will be the only 2 watchers left...
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Shoot! I never thought of that, but the principal could be a watcher. Found it funny that the principal's office is on the hellmouth. The first evil did show itself, but mostly in the form of a person they already new. The guys with no eyes, are the Harbingers or priests of the first evil and they serve it. My guess is that the vampire is the first vampire ever and that it's not the master.
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Originally posted by elektra
Shoot! I never thought of that, but the principal could be a watcher. Found it funny that the principal's office is on the hellmouth. The first evil did show itself, but mostly in the form of a person they already new. The guys with no eyes, are the Harbingers or priests of the first evil and they serve it. My guess is that the vampire is the first vampire ever and that it's not the master.
Shoot! I never thought of that, but the principal could be a watcher. Found it funny that the principal's office is on the hellmouth. The first evil did show itself, but mostly in the form of a person they already new. The guys with no eyes, are the Harbingers or priests of the first evil and they serve it. My guess is that the vampire is the first vampire ever and that it's not the master.
As for The First, I'm fuzzy on my Season 3 recollections (other than being constantly blinded by the beauty that is Faith). Is he the first Vamp, pure and unadulterated evil or The Devil? Or don't we know yet?
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Originally posted by elektra
Shoot! I never thought of that, but the principal could be a watcher. Found it funny that the principal's office is on the hellmouth. The first evil did show itself, but mostly in the form of a person they already new. The guys with no eyes, are the Harbingers or priests of the first evil and they serve it. My guess is that the vampire is the first vampire ever and that it's not the master.
Shoot! I never thought of that, but the principal could be a watcher. Found it funny that the principal's office is on the hellmouth. The first evil did show itself, but mostly in the form of a person they already new. The guys with no eyes, are the Harbingers or priests of the first evil and they serve it. My guess is that the vampire is the first vampire ever and that it's not the master.
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I have a question, i think it was the first season when they were talkin about the first vampire, and like when the demons roamed the earth, and when one was leaving he bit someone and that was like the first vampire, i think thats right, but was that the master or the first?
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My thoughts/predictions:
1. The Council is all but destroyed. I think that was pretty clear (even though the effects were a bit shoddy)
2. The principal was being controlled. He walked past the door, then seemed to respond to a call or something. No expressions at all. Maybe another sleeper?
3. The sacrifice of Jonathan wasn't enough. They needed more blood to open the portal. Since "Morphy" couldn't hurt anything itself, and it's minions weren't there yet, it tried to use Andrew to get more blood. When that failed, they captured Spike. Not sure why it HAD to be Spike, but I imagine that will come up later.
4. The First Evil and The Real Vampire are two different things. The hellmouth portal opened, and a real vampire (not a human/demon that we've seen all along) came out. I imagine there will either be more things coming or more vampires. I don't think the vampire is the real "big bad" (Buffy kills him and it's over seems way too easy.)
5. Giles will take the remanants of the Watchers and the Slayers-In-Training and help Buffy fight The First Evil.
These are just predictions based on the episode. I don't read spoilers so I have no idea if any of this is true.
1. The Council is all but destroyed. I think that was pretty clear (even though the effects were a bit shoddy)
2. The principal was being controlled. He walked past the door, then seemed to respond to a call or something. No expressions at all. Maybe another sleeper?
3. The sacrifice of Jonathan wasn't enough. They needed more blood to open the portal. Since "Morphy" couldn't hurt anything itself, and it's minions weren't there yet, it tried to use Andrew to get more blood. When that failed, they captured Spike. Not sure why it HAD to be Spike, but I imagine that will come up later.
4. The First Evil and The Real Vampire are two different things. The hellmouth portal opened, and a real vampire (not a human/demon that we've seen all along) came out. I imagine there will either be more things coming or more vampires. I don't think the vampire is the real "big bad" (Buffy kills him and it's over seems way too easy.)
5. Giles will take the remanants of the Watchers and the Slayers-In-Training and help Buffy fight The First Evil.
These are just predictions based on the episode. I don't read spoilers so I have no idea if any of this is true.
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My take on the principal:
His name is Robin Wood - Sounds like "Robin Hood"
He will ultimatly be a good guy. But maybe in a "bad guy" way like Robin Hood.
I thought the vampire that emerged was quite obviously - "The Master" from season one. Right down to his leather outfit!
His name is Robin Wood - Sounds like "Robin Hood"
He will ultimatly be a good guy. But maybe in a "bad guy" way like Robin Hood.
Originally posted by Draven
My thoughts/predictions:
4. The First Evil and The Real Vampire are two different things. The hellmouth portal opened, and a real vampire (not a human/demon that we've seen all along) came out.
My thoughts/predictions:
4. The First Evil and The Real Vampire are two different things. The hellmouth portal opened, and a real vampire (not a human/demon that we've seen all along) came out.
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I wish that I could catch up with Angel. I never watched it. I only started watching Buffy a couple of months ago, but thanks to syndication, mIRC, and DVDs, I am up to date. With Angel Season One coming out on DVD soon, I will probably get that, and decide if I want to try to see the rest. It would have been nice to see them together at the same time, since some of the episodes are overlapping.
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Didn't look a thing like the Master who was old, but not the first vampire. Could it be him? Yes. However, I'm guessing it's the first vampire ever before the hybrids. I thought it was him at first too, until I got a look at the face which was totally different.
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I didn't think the vampire looked like the Master but I could be wrong. I'm really hoping that the principal turns out to be a watcher - something has to be up for him not to look the least bit surprised to see Warren's body laying there. Wood and Giles leading the last remaining slayers (if there's anybody left other than Buffy and Faith) into battle against the First One will be cool. Can't wait for the season 3 box set to refresh myself on that whole storyline.
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Doesn't the First Evil look like "Mutant Enemy" at the end of every episode of Buffy's credits? Also, didn't it make the sound "Grr Argh" which is also the "Mutant Enemy" sound effect.
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Originally posted by movieking
I thought that it looked a bit like the Master, but it definitely wasn't. Now we have weeks to wait before we find out anything else!
I thought that it looked a bit like the Master, but it definitely wasn't. Now we have weeks to wait before we find out anything else!



