Enterprise 11/28
12-01-01 | 02:23 AM
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I think they people in voyager were from the 29th century, which would be the 2800's, roughly 700 years from Enterprise
but fairly close, and the ones in voyager did go around trying to keep the timeline stable, so Enterprise future guy was probably a later version of the voyager people
but fairly close, and the ones in voyager did go around trying to keep the timeline stable, so Enterprise future guy was probably a later version of the voyager people
Originally posted by tanman
900 years in the future, didnt voyager have someone come from that time trying to stop voyager from wrecking the time line or some other tried plot?
900 years in the future, didnt voyager have someone come from that time trying to stop voyager from wrecking the time line or some other tried plot?
12-03-01 | 05:51 PM
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ok...ya'll know I usually go for women with "meat" on them right?
Well in this episode the Vulcan babe was looking VERY SEXY in her tight suit. I must admit it!
But I have one question....
WHERE THE HELL DOES SHE KEEP HER INTESTINES????????
Her body is so thin, it seems the only place that looks like it could have enough room is her lower lip.......
Well in this episode the Vulcan babe was looking VERY SEXY in her tight suit. I must admit it!
But I have one question....
WHERE THE HELL DOES SHE KEEP HER INTESTINES????????
Her body is so thin, it seems the only place that looks like it could have enough room is her lower lip.......
12-03-01 | 06:15 PM
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Originally posted by Giantrobo
ok...ya'll know I usually go for women with "meat" on them right?
ok...ya'll know I usually go for women with "meat" on them right?
Well in this episode the Vulcan babe was looking VERY SEXY in her tight suit. I must admit it!
But I have one question....
WHERE THE HELL DOES SHE KEEP HER INTESTINES????????
WHERE THE HELL DOES SHE KEEP HER INTESTINES????????
Surely she wasn't hired for her acting ability...
And, yes, I do believe she keeps them in her lips.
So, how sexy would THAT be when she gets gas?! 
12-03-01 | 07:51 PM
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Originally posted by mikehunt
I think they people in voyager were from the 29th century, which would be the 2800's, roughly 700 years from Enterprise
but fairly close, and the ones in voyager did go around trying to keep the timeline stable, so Enterprise future guy was probably a later version of the voyager people
I think they people in voyager were from the 29th century, which would be the 2800's, roughly 700 years from Enterprise
but fairly close, and the ones in voyager did go around trying to keep the timeline stable, so Enterprise future guy was probably a later version of the voyager people
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12-03-01 | 08:09 PM
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I liked how they made the ending so creepy with the focus on the locked door....it's like a spook flick or something.
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another comment on "Sex in the Starship".
It seems really large boobs have disappeared in the future...if that's the case then I'll live in the past.
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another comment on "Sex in the Starship".
It seems really large boobs have disappeared in the future...if that's the case then I'll live in the past.
12-04-01 | 02:37 AM
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my power went out, so I didn't see anything after the guys freefalls out of the shuttle bay. can someone give me a brief followup of the ending. I have watching 80% of something than missing the end.
12-04-01 | 04:36 AM
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suliban drops out, gets picked up by his shuttle
archer manages to hold his breath long enough to get to the shuttle bay control room
archer has the security guy (is reed his last name?) seal the time traveler's quarters, says something about not knowing what else could be in there
not a great summary but it covers most of it
archer manages to hold his breath long enough to get to the shuttle bay control room
archer has the security guy (is reed his last name?) seal the time traveler's quarters, says something about not knowing what else could be in there
not a great summary but it covers most of it
Originally posted by RoQuEr
my power went out, so I didn't see anything after the guys freefalls out of the shuttle bay. can someone give me a brief followup of the ending. I have watching 80% of something than missing the end.
my power went out, so I didn't see anything after the guys freefalls out of the shuttle bay. can someone give me a brief followup of the ending. I have watching 80% of something than missing the end.
12-04-01 | 06:27 AM
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Isn't Jolene Blalock pregnant in real life? I wonder how they'll handle her pregnancy when it starts to show in month 4 or 5 of the pregnancy (but she might getting even bigger boobies as well) .
12-04-01 | 08:34 AM
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Originally posted by mikehunt
archer manages to hold his breath long enough to get to the shuttle bay control room
archer manages to hold his breath long enough to get to the shuttle bay control room
Patman, preggers? Sounds like a trip to Vulcan is in order.
12-04-01 | 09:34 AM
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Yah. I've been holding my breath about that as well. Does anybody know anything about explosive decompression? Not to mention how did whatshisname manage to "fall" without gravity?
Yah. I've been holding my breath about that as well. Does anybody know anything about explosive decompression? Not to mention how did whatshisname manage to "fall" without gravity?
That was very disturbing to me as well. I figure that Star Trek of all Sci-Fi shows would realize that this defies the laws of physics.
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Originally posted by Wizdar:
Not to mention how did whatshisname manage to "fall" without gravity
The explosive force of the escaping air propelled him downward and out of the shuttle bay--once in space, he would need an opposite or equal force against his angle of decent to alter his trajectory.
Not to mention how did whatshisname manage to "fall" without gravity
The explosive force of the escaping air propelled him downward and out of the shuttle bay--once in space, he would need an opposite or equal force against his angle of decent to alter his trajectory.
12-04-01 | 11:32 AM
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...not if ENTERPRISE's life support systems were blasting air into the hold to compensate for the loss of oxygen--the key lies in Archer's struggle to get to the door. It looks as though he is struggling, not necessarily just because his lungs were aching, but also because the force of wind was pressing against him...
12-04-01 | 11:57 AM
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...not if ENTERPRISE's life support systems were blasting air into the hold to compensate for the loss of oxygen
--the key lies in Archer's struggle to get to the door. It looks as though he is struggling, not necessarily just because his lungs were aching, but also because the force of wind was pressing against him...
He ain't no Marcel Marceau...
[If you'll remember, as the Suliban is "falling", he sweeps his arms back and appears to be moving forward. Skydivers call that "tracking", and it requires an atmosphere...]
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Originally posted by Wizdar:
[If you'll remember, as the Suliban is "falling", he sweeps his arms back and appears to be moving forward. Skydivers call that "tracking", and it requires an atmosphere...]
True, but we still need to return to the issue of escaping air forcing him out of the hold. If that kind of pressure was focused on the Suliban's backside, all of his extremities would have been splayed out and forced back at an angle. A similar effect can be achieved by placing a piece of paper over the drain in a kitchen sink (making sure it's bone-dry first
)--press down on the center of the paper (the air on the Suliban's back) and watch what happens to the edges of the paper (the Suliban's arms and legs). As far as the movement forward, like I mentioned before, all he needed was the initial push of air on his back and he would keep tracking right along that path until a seperate force counteracted the motion...
[If you'll remember, as the Suliban is "falling", he sweeps his arms back and appears to be moving forward. Skydivers call that "tracking", and it requires an atmosphere...]
True, but we still need to return to the issue of escaping air forcing him out of the hold. If that kind of pressure was focused on the Suliban's backside, all of his extremities would have been splayed out and forced back at an angle. A similar effect can be achieved by placing a piece of paper over the drain in a kitchen sink (making sure it's bone-dry first
)--press down on the center of the paper (the air on the Suliban's back) and watch what happens to the edges of the paper (the Suliban's arms and legs). As far as the movement forward, like I mentioned before, all he needed was the initial push of air on his back and he would keep tracking right along that path until a seperate force counteracted the motion...
12-04-01 | 02:58 PM
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OK Filmmaker, I met you halfway. I think it's only fair to return the favor.
First, a piece of paper doesn't have control of itself, but a person does.
When he jumped from the cargo bay the body position was perfect for skydiving. And he went straight down. Then he changed positions as I mentioned before, and he's going forward. I suppose the argument could be made that the air pressure working from above could have the same effect, but it would probably take the entire air supply of the ship to do it. And, now that I have that picture in my mind, that ain't gonna work. He's riding in front of the air wave, not passing through it, so body position has nothing to do with it.
Now, having established that the entire air supply (plus what may be stored*) has rushed out the doors, one could suggest that the force moved the ship (rotated it) and allowed for the change in direction.
I don't believe it's incumbant on the fans to provide explanations when the writers F up. The physics involved were used as a plot device and should have SOME basis in reality. This ain't rocket science.
*Hey. Has there ever been mention of where the "extra" air is stored? Or do we just assume that the ship is so big the on-board supply (recycled) is all there is?
First, a piece of paper doesn't have control of itself, but a person does.
When he jumped from the cargo bay the body position was perfect for skydiving. And he went straight down. Then he changed positions as I mentioned before, and he's going forward. I suppose the argument could be made that the air pressure working from above could have the same effect, but it would probably take the entire air supply of the ship to do it. And, now that I have that picture in my mind, that ain't gonna work. He's riding in front of the air wave, not passing through it, so body position has nothing to do with it.
Now, having established that the entire air supply (plus what may be stored*) has rushed out the doors, one could suggest that the force moved the ship (rotated it) and allowed for the change in direction.
I don't believe it's incumbant on the fans to provide explanations when the writers F up. The physics involved were used as a plot device and should have SOME basis in reality. This ain't rocket science.
*Hey. Has there ever been mention of where the "extra" air is stored? Or do we just assume that the ship is so big the on-board supply (recycled) is all there is?
She-it!!! Why didn't I think of that?!?
12-04-01 | 04:24 PM
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there's gravity in the pod bay, maybe there was enough pull to throw him through the door and he had enough momentum to make it through the edge of the artificial gravity field since the door was open
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Originally posted by Wizdar:
OK Filmmaker, I met you halfway. I think it's only fair to return the favor.
A joke? I can't tell, due to the lack of smiley...I hope so...
First, a piece of paper doesn't have control of itself, but a person does.
When hundreds of pounds of atmospheric pressure is pressing down on his backside?! I beg to differ...
When he jumped from the cargo bay the body position was perfect for skydiving. And he went straight down. Then he changed positions as I mentioned before, and he's going forward. I suppose the argument could be made that the air pressure working from above could have the same effect, but it would probably take the entire air supply of the ship to do it. And, now that I have that picture in my mind, that ain't gonna work. He's riding in front of the air wave, not passing through it, so body position has nothing to do with it.
I'm afraid I don't follow your reasoning here...I believe his body posture is determined be the force of the air on top of his backside forcing his limbs outward and angled back, like a paper being pressed in the center over a whole, or a person being hit in the middle of the solar plexus really hard, if you prefer. If I'm not answering your question, then I'm afraid we may be at an impasse...
Now, having established that the entire air supply (plus what may be stored*) has rushed out the doors, one could suggest that the force moved the ship (rotated it) and allowed for the change in direction.
Can you clarify the change in direction? I don't recall such, but if the angle seemed to alter, this could be due from a) the air currents dissipating around the Suliban out into the vaccuum of space or b) a simple change in camera angle that gives the illusion of altering the body's direction.
I don't believe it's incumbant on the fans to provide explanations when the writers F up. The physics involved were used as a plot device and should have SOME basis in reality. This ain't rocket science.
I agree that it's not our job to pick up the scriptwriter's pieces, but I still maintain that I see no flaws with this scene in terms of physics...
OK Filmmaker, I met you halfway. I think it's only fair to return the favor.
A joke? I can't tell, due to the lack of smiley...I hope so...
First, a piece of paper doesn't have control of itself, but a person does.
When hundreds of pounds of atmospheric pressure is pressing down on his backside?! I beg to differ...
When he jumped from the cargo bay the body position was perfect for skydiving. And he went straight down. Then he changed positions as I mentioned before, and he's going forward. I suppose the argument could be made that the air pressure working from above could have the same effect, but it would probably take the entire air supply of the ship to do it. And, now that I have that picture in my mind, that ain't gonna work. He's riding in front of the air wave, not passing through it, so body position has nothing to do with it.
I'm afraid I don't follow your reasoning here...I believe his body posture is determined be the force of the air on top of his backside forcing his limbs outward and angled back, like a paper being pressed in the center over a whole, or a person being hit in the middle of the solar plexus really hard, if you prefer. If I'm not answering your question, then I'm afraid we may be at an impasse...
Now, having established that the entire air supply (plus what may be stored*) has rushed out the doors, one could suggest that the force moved the ship (rotated it) and allowed for the change in direction.
Can you clarify the change in direction? I don't recall such, but if the angle seemed to alter, this could be due from a) the air currents dissipating around the Suliban out into the vaccuum of space or b) a simple change in camera angle that gives the illusion of altering the body's direction.
I don't believe it's incumbant on the fans to provide explanations when the writers F up. The physics involved were used as a plot device and should have SOME basis in reality. This ain't rocket science.
I agree that it's not our job to pick up the scriptwriter's pieces, but I still maintain that I see no flaws with this scene in terms of physics...
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A joke? I can't tell, due to the lack of smiley...I hope so...
Nope. Quite serious. I’m not buying the Enterprise blasting air into the hold to compensate. There would be a device to realize that the doors had been opened and thus prevent that from happening. Even before that, the act of opening the doors (as opposed to an accident/explosion) would also include a cut-off for the air supply.
Therefore, the rest of your most excellent (but slightly flawed) argument doesn’t work. But given the time and effort you put into it, I thought it courteous to go with your reasoning and see where it led, rather than shoot it down completely and possibly cause hurt feelings.
However, continuing from this shaky foundation:
I'm afraid I don't follow your reasoning here...I believe his body posture is determined be the force of the air on top of his backside forcing his limbs outward and angled back, like a paper being pressed in the center over a whole, or a person being hit in the middle of the solar plexus really hard, if you prefer.
First, the blast effect you cling to would have surely prevented him from standing at the open doors for a moment before launching himself into the void. So the lack of control you mention would be inconsistent.
Second, the arms would also be subject to the same force. It's not as if he's being hit in only one area, as your statement would lead me to believe. [If you want to talk about distribution of force vs mass vs surface area, we'll surely see page 3 in no time]
And third, having myself experienced the joy of leaving the relative calm of the interior of an aircraft in flight to encounter the forces on the outside in an instant, I can say with certainty that there is no flapping about like a loose piece of paper. 120 MPH (indeed, 200 MPH at times) is quite manageable.
As for the change in direction, it may very well be just a change in camera angle. But what purpose would there be to change position from a normal free-fall position to a “tracking” position and at the same time show a change in direction if not to give the illusion of forward motion?
If I'm not answering your question, then I'm afraid we may be at an impasse...
Could be. I can agree to disagree.
But, as das has already pointed out, we both missed the rocket pack he was wearing.
mikehunt, I like your gravity theory. But my question would be, wouldn’t the gravity pull from both directions? I’m seeing him bouncing up and down until he’s centered in the gravity field.
Nope. Quite serious. I’m not buying the Enterprise blasting air into the hold to compensate. There would be a device to realize that the doors had been opened and thus prevent that from happening. Even before that, the act of opening the doors (as opposed to an accident/explosion) would also include a cut-off for the air supply.
Therefore, the rest of your most excellent (but slightly flawed) argument doesn’t work. But given the time and effort you put into it, I thought it courteous to go with your reasoning and see where it led, rather than shoot it down completely and possibly cause hurt feelings.
However, continuing from this shaky foundation:
I'm afraid I don't follow your reasoning here...I believe his body posture is determined be the force of the air on top of his backside forcing his limbs outward and angled back, like a paper being pressed in the center over a whole, or a person being hit in the middle of the solar plexus really hard, if you prefer.
First, the blast effect you cling to would have surely prevented him from standing at the open doors for a moment before launching himself into the void. So the lack of control you mention would be inconsistent.
Second, the arms would also be subject to the same force. It's not as if he's being hit in only one area, as your statement would lead me to believe. [If you want to talk about distribution of force vs mass vs surface area, we'll surely see page 3 in no time
]And third, having myself experienced the joy of leaving the relative calm of the interior of an aircraft in flight to encounter the forces on the outside in an instant, I can say with certainty that there is no flapping about like a loose piece of paper. 120 MPH (indeed, 200 MPH at times) is quite manageable.
As for the change in direction, it may very well be just a change in camera angle. But what purpose would there be to change position from a normal free-fall position to a “tracking” position and at the same time show a change in direction if not to give the illusion of forward motion?
If I'm not answering your question, then I'm afraid we may be at an impasse...
Could be. I can agree to disagree.
But, as das has already pointed out, we both missed the rocket pack he was wearing.
mikehunt, I like your gravity theory. But my question would be, wouldn’t the gravity pull from both directions? I’m seeing him bouncing up and down until he’s centered in the gravity field.