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BigPete 11-03-02 05:12 PM

Re: you;re making me repeat myself
 

Originally posted by lsalrus
You said:

"And it's funny how every group has malicious intent and is full of ******** except yours ... now that's hypocritical."

Again, I repeat:

"I made three orders. They can all be cancelled, they can all ship - I don't really care. $12 for a DVD is not a steal. "

Larry

True, but you were more than comfortable to attack everyone who only ordered one and also don't really care one way or another. People who don't feel terribly guilty usually don't go around preaching that everyone else is out to get them.

tradingjoe 11-03-02 05:16 PM


Originally posted by habers
as for the people that ordered an exorbatant (sp?) amount of movies and plan to sell on ebay....who cares thats none of our bussiness, the physical coupon does not say a per household limit....people can do whatever they want with what they pay for, they could use them as a door stop if they want to.
I guess that's true as long as you don't care about afffecting the community at large when deals get killed (and in the long run hurting the prospects of new deals being posted as it becomes apparenent that there is no good reason to do so). It sure seems like a short-sighted point of view. But it is what it is; everyone is welcome to their point of view. I am just having trouble seeing why one should post deals around here if most of the members intend to abuse them to the point of potentially killing them.

Sweet Baby James 11-03-02 06:31 PM


Originally posted by ebs0303
How about the people who made one order (cause thats all they wanted) with no other intentions of anything, and only want to receive what they ordered?
That's the group that I'm in.:)

Silvrdime 11-03-02 07:08 PM

Whats all the fuss......Isalrus is right about no controls in offering this promotion, they really dropped the ball on this one. Liked the way you pointed their flaws in controls, I spotted them to. Regardless of what group you fall into, we all know the coupon was intended for a select few. It does not matter if you purchased one, a dozen, or a million, in the end the Disney promotion was meant for a few. Even if everyone in the "community" ordered one; so this offer would not get terminated, does not make it right. Maybe they'll learn their lesson and do better next time. As for me, I ll be glad if my orders get delivered at the discount rate. If Disney says, "We're sorry cant send your shipment". Oh well........

CRM114 11-03-02 07:08 PM

i made one order. but why on earth would i be "jealous" that others are ordering multiple DVDs from disney? like i said, i get deals ALL THE TIME because of this forum. plus, most members on here cleaned up at the previous 2 disney store sales @ $10 / disc.

habers 11-03-02 07:17 PM


Originally posted by Silvrdime
... It does not matter if you purchased one, a dozen, or a million, in the end the Disney promotion was meant for a few. Even if everyone in the "community" ordered one; so this offer would not get terminated, does not make it right...
i agree totally

spankyj 11-03-02 08:23 PM

It will be interesting to see how this all plans out.

gcribbs 11-03-02 11:47 PM

Re: Its very simple
 

Originally posted by lsalrus


Group 2: People who only made one order (mostly for fear their orders would be cancelled if they made more than one) want to see anyone who made multiple orders have their orders cancelled: this group is worse than group 1, this group is made of of jealous people who are also hypocritical.



I ordered one and had no fear of my order being cancelled. Had I wanted more I could have set up multiple accounts and made multiple orders on each account or done what others did and placed multiple orders.

I did not. If Disney is thinking of cancelling orders I hope they look at the solution of letting every customer get one order and cancelling the remainder-

Why do I feel that way- Jealousy :lol:

Being practical. Many online companies have done the same thing on misprices in the past and been applauded for it by the majority of members here.

I have been here for a long time and got in on many deals. I assure you I am not jealous of those who ordered more than 1 dvd at this price :lol:

jimmywong 11-04-02 12:27 AM


Originally posted by Silvrdime
Regardless of what group you fall into, we all know the coupon was intended for a select few. It does not matter if you purchased one, a dozen, or a million, in the end the Disney promotion was meant for a few.
My problem with all this is .. why should I assume that? And why should I assume it's only one per customer when the coupon clearly said "ONE PER ORDER" when used? I guess with this line of thinking we can always assume that whenever there's a deal out there, it is always a mistake. And based on that and your morality, you should never buy anything that might be considered a "deal" if you feel in your heart that the company is losing money or does not INTEND the deal to be worked this way.

Since when is it my responsibility to judge their INTENTIONS. I can only respond to facts. If Disney makes it clear later that it was not their intention for the coupon to be used that way, then I can make adjustments at that time. If they want to limit the coupon to 1 per account or address, then they should make it clear on the website.

To answer your possible questions, YES I bought several DVD's and NO they were not for eBay -- they were for ME! But I don't have a problem if someone wants to buy 500 copies and sell them on EBAY -- that is the American way! (I've lost out on EVERY Criterion deal on Overstock, but I'm not bitter --- no I'm not -- that's the way it goes ...) I've gotten deals so good, I can't tell you about them here ....

The Disney Store had their discs for $10 and there were reports that people were buying 70 discs presumably to sell on EBAY. If Disney did not want that to happen, they should put a limit of 2 of a title / person. Everybody was griping because Disney pulled the deal early and that some of the reason was the abuse. Then miraculously 3 weeks later they have the same sale. I guess they really were making money. I see this the same way --- but I guess we won't know until tomorrow.

dvd-fanman 11-04-02 12:56 AM


Originally posted by jimmywong
My problem with all this is .. why should I assume that? And why should I assume it's only one per customer when the coupon clearly said "ONE PER ORDER" when used?
This code that was posted was not intended for the general public to just use for a discount. It was to be used in conjunction with an actual, physical, card that was given to guests of DisneyStore.com and other Disney Business units. All restrictions including use requirements and such were listed on the actual card. So the fact that those were not initially posted on the website is a moot point.

If you had more than one card, then by all means place as many orders as cards that you have. If you had 2 cards, then place two orders. However, placing orders without having the card is indeed defrauding the company out of money.

What Are DVDs 11-04-02 01:19 AM

I talked to a csr on the phone and asked to cancel one order because I didn't want it....and she noticed that I made a few other orders using the same coupon....

it seemed like she was smiling and proud to tell me that my order will be put on hold for 30 days until I mail in my "HOLIDAY" code cards........

wtf

dvd-fanman 11-04-02 01:37 AM


Originally posted by What Are DVDs
I talked to a csr on the phone and asked to cancel one order because I didn't want it....and she noticed that I made a few other orders using the same coupon....

it seemed like she was smiling and proud to tell me that my order will be put on hold for 30 days until I mail in my "HOLIDAY" code cards........

wtf

See my post directly above yours.

murpm3 11-04-02 08:24 AM

This code that was posted was not intended for the general public to just use for a discount. It was to be used in conjunction with an actual, physical, card that was given to guests of DisneyStore.com and other Disney Business units. All restrictions including use requirements and such were listed on the actual card. So the fact that those were not initially posted on the website is a moot point.

Its interesting though....I had never known about these cards. There was nothing on the website that said this was a "card" specific coupon. Can I claim ignorance? ;)

Secondly, is Mickey working in Disneystore's IT department because apparently he is too dumb of a mouse to limit this coupon and put restrictions on it.

Brak55 11-04-02 09:40 AM

You know, I somewhat feel bad for the businesses that get taken to the cleaners on some of these "deals"; however, I quickly get over it when I realize the whole thing could be avoided by using unique numbers on each "card" rather than things like HOLIDAY. Yup, causes a bit more cost in the printing of the cards or sending of the e-mails, but it certainly would cut down on the perceived abuse.

dvd-fanman 11-04-02 10:09 AM


Originally posted by Brak55
You know, I somewhat feel bad for the businesses that get taken to the cleaners on some of these "deals"; however, I quickly get over it when I realize the whole thing could be avoided by using unique numbers on each "card" rather than things like HOLIDAY. Yup, causes a bit more cost in the printing of the cards or sending of the e-mails, but it certainly would cut down on the perceived abuse.
Perhaps there wouldn't be a need to print unique codes on each card if our society as a whole had a few more morals....

djones6746 11-04-02 10:39 AM


Originally posted by dvd-fanman
This code that was posted was not intended for the general public to just use for a discount. It was to be used in conjunction with an actual, physical, card that was given to guests of DisneyStore.com and other Disney Business units. All restrictions including use requirements and such were listed on the actual card. So the fact that those were not initially posted on the website is a moot point.

If you had more than one card, then by all means place as many orders as cards that you have. If you had 2 cards, then place two orders. However, placing orders without having the card is indeed defrauding the company out of money.


Defrauding the company out of money??? -rolleyes-

I placed the order thinking this was some kind of legitimate $15.00 off dvds which Disney was promoting. I did not read into everything until this thread was created and moved(thanks to me) to where it belonged. Defraud is a big word to throw around so you may want to keep it to yourself in the future. Not everyone here who placed an order(and did not have a card) thought they were defrauding Disney by placing their orders. Disney is at fault here for being ignorant enough to issue a standard code which could be used by anyone who came across it. Maybe in the future they will issue promotional GC's...if Amazon can do it...why not Big Bad Disney???

Manzana 11-04-02 10:44 AM

I guess I must be the only one calling the Disney Store. According to the rep, they made their decision and it was the decision I expected them to do because (in my opinion) the Walt Disney Company is one of the greediest companies around.

I was told ALL orders placed with the HOLIDAY coupon are placed on 30-day hold. You must physically send in your cards within 30 days to get your discount, otherwise the orders will be cancelled. This includes everyone who placed their orders BEFORE they put this restriction on the deal. The only good news is that they won't ship and charge full price.

I am disappointed that they didn't at least honor each peron's first order without requiring the card because I threw mine away after I had placed it and gotten the confirmation. I didn't see anything on the card saying I must send it in.

So I have basically wasted an hour or more of my time checking with the Disney store and these forums in hopes of getting a good deal on a few DVDs, even just 1 DVD. I guess the people in the group of people who missed the deal and were hoping everyone will get their orders cancelled have had their wishes fulfilled. I find it ironic and extremely convenient (as another poster said) that whenever I do get in on a deal in time, it gets cancelled, but all those deals like the E.T. gift set for $25 that I miss go through without a hitch. Talk about luck! Of course I should've known better with the Disney store... this is Disney after all!

Anyway, I hope people complain that they did not at least allow 1 order per person without the card. So I'm done messing with this and I'll just let them cancel my orders. I'm also returning my Lilo & Stitch preorder and $10 gift card that I won't be able to use now. The Disney Store has nothing I want except movies and their movies are overpriced except when they have specials, which I either always miss or they cancel on me like this one. Oh well. Live and learn.

jimmywong 11-04-02 11:00 AM


Originally posted by dvd-fanman
This code that was posted was not intended for the general public to just use for a discount. It was to be used in conjunction with an actual, physical, card that was given to guests of DisneyStore.com and other Disney Business units. All restrictions including use requirements and such were listed on the actual card. So the fact that those were not initially posted on the website is a moot point.
It's not a moot point if you don't have the card. I can only respond to what I read, not what I don't. Again, without the proper documentation, I can only GUESS at their INTENTIONS and I don't see why that is my responsibility. Pardon me for taking anything at face value. I guess I will have to assume in the future that any discount Disney offers comes with some restrictions that I am not aware of and therefore is, in all probability, not valid for me.

ricwhite 11-04-02 11:26 AM

When coupons on posted on forums and coupon boards, most people don't know which are legitimate or not. Most people are just looking for a good deal. They try the coupon and if it works, it is assumed to be legitimate.

I think it totally inappropriate to call a person a "thief" or a "defrauder" because he or she uses a coupon code. I search on coupon boards all the time for discounts. Whenever I shop online I ALWAYS conduct a search for a coupon that may lower my final price.

Personally, I used the HOLIDAY code. Since it worked fine, I didn't feel there was any problem. I didn't have any idea that the disney.com folks are total idiots. For that, I feel very sorry.

This happened to me before, however. A couple of years ago, I found online an Etoys coupon for $5 off. It didn't have any minimum. I placed several orders of books using the coupon. Only after the orders were placed, I got an email stating that the coupon I used was not intended for the general public. I had no idea -- and I'm certainly NOT going to call the vendor every time I'm going to use a coupon code to ask if it's legitimate. The online vendors have to do a better job of programming their purchasing software in order to weed out any inappropriate use. If they don't. . . they are at fault -- not me!

mr_jbloggs 11-04-02 12:11 PM

Here is a deal on some Disney DVDs IMHO:

If you go to the Canadian Amazon site for the following 3-pack

Pixar's 15th Anniversary: Bug's Life/Toy Story/Toy Story 2 [3 Discs]

http://www.amazon.ca/exec/obidos/AS...8114971-4969962

You will notice on the same page

GREAT BUY
Buy Pixar's 15th Anniversary: Bug's Life/Toy Story/Toy... with Monsters, Inc. (Widescreen/Full Screen) (2 Discs) today! Buy Together Today: CDN$ 61.23
You Save: CDN$ 25.75

With coupon CDN$ 51.23 + 6.47 Shipping = CDN$ 57.70 / US$ 37.06

I used US$ 1 = CDN$ 1.557

That works out to US$ 9.27 per movie.

murpm3 11-04-02 12:24 PM


Originally posted by dvd-fanman
Perhaps there wouldn't be a need to print unique codes on each card if our society as a whole had a few more morals....
Get off your high horse...When a grocery store puts on a sale for Diet Pepsi 24 packs I am all over it. In fact I got back every day to buy more and stock up.

I guess I need more morals. Give me a break....if you saw a deal like this you would have done it too.

When I entered the code into the website it did not say anything about it being a special promotion for specific customers. Of course not...it just said promotional discount. People are immoral for taking advantage of the deal?

atari2600 11-04-02 12:31 PM

well thats too bad for disney. im sure they just lots alot of current and future business. i will never even bother ordering from then again.

Rogue588 11-04-02 12:37 PM


Originally posted by djones6746
Defrauding the company out of money???
:lol: Yeah, i'm sure Disney is real torn up about defrauding me outta $37 for 3 slices of pizza and a small coke on a recent trip to Disneyland. But hey, thems morals for ya.

Anyways...I agree with djones6746. Maybe the "morality" question comes into play when you hit the site up for copies that you intend to hawk at eBay.com. For me personally it was about catching up with those two discs I missed at the Disney Store $10 sale. [Not cuz they weren't there, because my brain overloaded once I got in the store. Ya'll know what i'm talking about. ;)]

dvd-fanman 11-04-02 12:38 PM


Originally posted by murpm3
Give me a break....if you saw a deal like this you would have done it too.
Well, indeed I will be ordering from the website since I do have a Holiday Magic Card in my possession that I received from a previous DisneyStore.com order.

falken 11-04-02 12:40 PM


Originally posted by dvd-fanman
Perhaps there wouldn't be a need to print unique codes on each card if our society as a whole had a few more morals....
Perhaps... But tell me, which solution would be the best business model? Hope that society as a whole will suddenly stop and go, "Wait... is this a good idea for the corporation? I bet they didn't intend for everyone to use this coupon... I had better check with them or just not use it all, it may hurt their business." *OR* They could think for 7 seconds and go, "WAIT! People may try to use this discount card online AND in the store... and wait... what if they tell their friends this discount code... or worse... post it online for the world to see? We had better figure out a better solution."

I suppose banks wouldn't have to lock their vaults at night is society as a whole had perfect morals either, and perhaps I wouldn't have a .45cal on me when doing a ATM withdraw late at night (permit, legal). It all comes down to protecting yourself, not relying on good nature of others. That's the way the world is.


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