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Roger Waters' Dark Side of the Moon

Roger Waters Says He’s Re-Recording ‘The Dark Side of the Moon’ — Without Pink Floyd (msn.com)

Roger Waters said he has been re-recording the 1973 album The Dark Side of the Moon “[because] not enough people recognised what it’s about, what it was I was saying then,” according to an interview with The Telegraph journalist Tristram Fane Saunders.

In the profile, Waters claimed he’s been working on the new version for months, and that he’s been doing it from scratch—without the help or knowledge of Pink Floyd members David Gilmour and Nick Mason.

Besides Waters, the only collaborators on the new album are reportedly Waters’ longtime collaborator and multi-instrumentalist Gus Seyffert, a “Baptist minister” who plays a Hammond organ, and Seyffert’s girlfriend, the singer Bedouine. Waters is said to play a bass solo on “Us and Them,” and reportedly adds his own vocals over the original album’s instrumentals, including a “prose poem over ‘On The Run.’”

Saunders, who claims he is only one of “handful” of people who have listened to the solo album “from start-to-finish,” described parts of the re-recording as “very good.” In particular, Saunders touts “Time” as “terrific with his old man’s timbre” and the “Money” as a “country-tinged” cut reminiscent of “late Johnny Cash.”

The Pink Floyd founder is reportedly planning a big release, which might be complicated seeing as Gilmour and Mason still own the band’s name. Gilmour, who has been in a decades-long feud with Waters, has been critical of his former bandmate. On Monday, he reposted a tweet by his wife Polly Samson — who wrote several of the band’s tracks — that denounced Waters’ support of Russia.

“Sadly @rogerwaters you are antisemitic to your rotten core,” wrote Samson on Twitter. “Also a Putin apologist and a lying, thieving, hypocritical, tax-avoiding, lip-synching, misogynistic, sick-with-envy, megalomaniac. Enough of your nonsense.” Gilmour retweeted the post, and in a show of support, wrote, “Every word demonstrably true.”

Representatives for Roger Waters did not immediately return Rolling Stone’s request for comment.

Over the past six months, Waters has also used his platform as a sounding board for controversial political takes. On Wednesday, Waters spoke at the United Nations Security Council meeting and condemned Russia’s invasion of Ukraine as “illegal,” but also said it was “not unprovoked.”

His remarks on the war in Ukraine were more subdued than some of the others Waters has made in the past, including in an interview with Rolling Stone. Last year, Waters claimed his name is on a “kill list that is supported by the Ukrainian government.” In that same conversation, the singer shifted the blame from the ongoing war from Russia to NATO, suggesting that the organization essentially left Putin with no other choice but to invade Ukraine.

When contemplating Dark Side, Waters seemed dismissive of his former bandmates, whom he called “Faux Floyd” “I wrote The Dark Side of the Moon. Let’s get rid of all this ‘we’ c–p!,” he told The Telegraph. “Of course we were a band, there were four of us, we all contributed – but it’s my project and I wrote it. So… blah!”
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Good luck with that.
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I do think it would be interesting to hear David Gilmour sing "Time" now that 50 years have passed. It's amazing the feelings I have listening to that song now compared to when I was a teenager. Otherwise, that's my level of interest in something like this.
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Re: Roger Waters' Dark Side of the Moon

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I do think it would be interesting to hear David Gilmour sing "Time" now that 50 years have passed. It's amazing the feelings I have listening to that song now compared to when I was a teenager. Otherwise, that's my level of interest in something like this.
That ain't happening on this album :P

But you can hear him singing it from recordings online from his tour in 2016.
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Iím very conflicted on all this Floyd stuff from the last week but the strongest feeling is fuck David Gilmour who is grossly calling Waters antisemitic because Waters rightfully calls out the apartheid state in Israel.

He has every right to hate Roger Waters who by all accounts is a real asshole but labeling him anti semetic doesnít just potentially hurt Roger Waters but is meant to make other people think twice before calling out a real injustice thatís going on.

Plus if Roger Waters is anti semetic what does it say about David Gilmour to have not brought it up for the ten plus years he worked with him or the 40 years since then ? And itís not like they just worked together. I donít know all of the political leanings and bigotries of the people iíve worked with for years but they knew each other since they were kids. He played on a Roger Waters song sung from a fascistsí pov fantasizing about concentration camps. If that song is coming from someone you have ANY suspicions of harboring any anti semetic feelings and you donít say a word about it AND put your name/bands name on the song too thatís not good.

Second strongest feeling is no one wants a Roger Waters reimagined version of Dark Side of the Moon. Thatís not going to be good.
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Can't be any worse than the version mounted by the Flaming Lips.

I guess we'll have to wait for both Waters and Gilmour to pass before we get any further vault material. I've heard contrary to reports that pro-shot tour video and soundboards from their classic period do in fact exist.
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Heh.

Will this be waters attempting to "re-write floyd history" ?
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Has Roger been looking at Taylor Swift? This is not that type of scenario.

This sounds bat shit crazy to even try and touch the album again. I would rank it in the top 10 or 20 all-time greatest albums.
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If anyone here hasnít the 2018 remix of Animals on the other hand I highly, highly recommend it.
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This sounds as pleasant as a colonoscopy without any anesthesia.
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Assuming it's ever released, I'll listen to it out of curiosity. I can't imagine that any aspect of it will be an improvement over the original. Considering it took 4 years to release the Animals remix over some liner notes, this one will probably be held up even longer. Unless complete re-recordings don't have to have any approvals from the rest of the contributors of the original album.
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Re: Roger Waters' Dark Side of the Moon

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Iím very conflicted on all this Floyd stuff from the last week but the strongest feeling is fuck David Gilmour who is grossly calling Waters antisemitic because Waters rightfully calls out the apartheid state in Israel.

He has every right to hate Roger Waters who by all accounts is a real asshole but labeling him anti semetic doesnít just potentially hurt Roger Waters but is meant to make other people think twice before calling out a real injustice thatís going on.
Unless you know Gilmour and Waters personally, are privy to their 55+ years of knowing each other both within and without Pink Floyd (their private conversations, witnesses to each others actions, knowing the measure of a person through decades of proximity), you pretty much have no definitive say on how Gilmour can gauge Waters' antisemitism as "demonstrably true".

Neither do I, for that matter, save for some anecdotal observations which are barely more than rumors but with some degree of substantiation. And without a doubt, criticism of Israeli policy is not antisemitic. Anything beyond that, we know fuck-all. If Gilmour does or doesn't want to say more, for whatever reason, that's his business.

Back to the subject matter; Floyd is my #4 favorite band, Waters is an incredible artist, and I couldn't be less interested in this mess.
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I agree that we know fuck all about Roger Waters doing anything or saying anything anti semetic. Something tells me that those calling him out for being anti semetic would make it clear why they were doing so if there was anything there beyond criticizing the Israeli government. I mean it makes no sense not to explain it if he is anti semetic.

And yeah itís true i donít know Roger Waters but i do know heís a well known asshole and i canít see how thereís never been a report (that iím aware of) of him being racist along with the complaints of his legendary assholery Again it makes no sense to me.

If there are reports of him behaving inappropriately Iím all ears. I donít stalk him but have read a few books on him and floyd. Seen him live 4 times. Watched multiple interviews and itís a new allegation as far as i know.
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So does this mean Waters will stop milking The Wall and will spend the next 20+ years (or until her dies) milking DSOTM now?
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Re: Roger Waters' Dark Side of the Moon

Originally Posted by Nesbit
I agree that we know fuck all about Roger Waters doing anything or saying anything anti semetic. Something tells me that those calling him out for being anti semetic would make it clear why they were doing so if there was anything there beyond criticizing the Israeli government. I mean it makes no sense not to explain it if he is anti semetic.
This is an anti-Semitic image he likes to fly at his shows.


He also apologized in 2020 for perpetuating anti-Semitic tropes regarding billionaire Sheldon Adelson
Former Pink Floyd frontman Roger Waters, a leading BDS campaignerMusician Roger Waters has apologised for ďevoking an antisemitic tropeĒ in relation to a Jewish billionaire and for suggesting that Israelis trained US police in restraint manoeuvres such as killed unarmed black man George Floyd.

Waters, who co-founded the band Pink Floyd, was quick to issue a lengthy apology for comments he made in an interview with the Middle East Media Research Institute earlier this week. He posted the apology on his website, titled ĎA note from Roger: Just to be clear.í

The starís mea culpa referred to him calling wealthy casino owner and Republican donor Sheldon Adelson the ďpuppet master pulling the strings of [US president] Donald Trump, [US Secretary of State] Mike Pompeo, and whatís his name, the ambassador [to Israel, David Friedman].
So now you know fuck-all about him being anti-Semitic outside of his vehement opposition of all things Israel.
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I agree that we know fuck all about Roger Waters doing anything or saying anything anti semetic. Something tells me that those calling him out for being anti semetic would make it clear why they were doing so if there was anything there beyond criticizing the Israeli government. I mean it makes no sense not to explain it if he is anti semetic.

And yeah itís true i donít know Roger Waters but i do know heís a well known asshole and i canít see how thereís never been a report (that iím aware of) of him being racist along with the complaints of his legendary assholery Again it makes no sense to me.

If there are reports of him behaving inappropriately Iím all ears. I donít stalk him but have read a few books on him and floyd. Seen him live 4 times. Watched multiple interviews and itís a new allegation as far as i know.
By all accounts, Gilmour is sympathetic enough to the Palestinian cause that in 2013 he even reunited with Roger Waters at a charity gig to benefit children of Palestinian refugees.

Whatever the root cause of him labeling Waters as antisemitic, it certainly seems like it isn't because of any support for Israel or lack of concern for Palestinians.
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This is an anti-Semitic image he likes to fly at his shows.


He also apologized in 2020 for perpetuating anti-Semitic tropes regarding billionaire Sheldon Adelson

So now you know fuck-all about him being anti-Semitic outside of his vehement opposition of all things Israel.
Yeah the pig is in the same show where he has a song where heís a fascist idol fantasizing about a return to concentration camps. Iíve seen it live twice.

Calling it out as anti semetic is like yelling at The Russo Brothers for the cruelty of Thanosí snap plan.
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By all accounts, Gilmour is sympathetic enough to the Palestinian cause that in 2013 he even reunited with Roger Waters at a charity gig to benefit children of Palestinian refugees.

Whatever the root cause of him labeling Waters as antisemitic, it certainly seems like it isn't because of any support for Israel or lack of concern for Palestinians.
Well until I hear a reason i feel pretty safe assuming itís because of criticism of the government as iíve never heard of Waters treating anyone different based on race or religion but have heard him criticize the government of israel plenty. If you think thatís unfair you may have a point but thatís really David Gilmours problem IMO.

Itís not cool for someone to publicly call someone racist or anti semetic without giving ANY reason. Especially if the accuser has known the accused his entire life and thus would automatically be given some level of credibility on the matter of the accused character. Not cool at all.
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Cool. Could you explain why?
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Originally Posted by Nesbit
Yeah the pig is in the same show where he has a song where heís a fascist idol fantasizing about a return to concentration camps. Iíve seen it live twice.

Calling it out as anti semetic is like yelling at The Russo Brothers for the cruelty of Thanosí snap plan.
That's a great analogy, dude.

Does he fly the Rebel Flag or giant lawn jockeys at his shows as well? Is that okay as well, given the context?

Do you get to decide what images are offensive to Jewish people, or is it okay with you if the Anti-Defamation League makes that call?

  • For a period of time in 2010, Watersí shows featured video of an array of symbols that placed the Jewish Star of David next to dollar signs. Waters defended himself, writing on his website that ďthere are no hidden meanings in the order or juxtaposition of these symbols.Ē However, by an October 6, 2010 show in New York City, the video no longer showed the two symbols next to each other.
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That's a great analogy, dude.
It is actually. The pig is one of many symbols in the show for a racist fascist uprising that Roger Watersí character is the head of.

If youíre not familiar with The Wall itís way more like a play than a normal concert.

If you are familiar with the wall then i feel like youíre arguing in REALLY bad faith saying things like that pig is something ďHe likes to flyĒ . Itís a prop in a stage show with a specific purpose and it sure as fuck isnít ďAnti Semitism is coolĒ
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Well until I hear a reason i feel pretty safe assuming itís because of criticism of the government as iíve never heard of Waters treating anyone different based on race or religion but have heard him criticize the government of israel plenty. If you think thatís unfair you may have a point but thatís really David Gilmours problem IMO.
There's a bit of cognitive dissonance going on here in light of the link I posted, as you previously stated
fuck David Gilmour who is grossly calling Waters antisemitic because Waters rightfully calls out the apartheid state in Israel.

Gilmour never mentioned Israel, and has demonstrated sympathy for the Palestinian cause. And besides antisemitism, Gilmour also tacitly agreed with Waters being categorized a hypocrite, misogynist, liar, thief, tax-cheat, megalomaniac, and a fraud. Why are all the latter acceptably reasonable (in terms of credibility) but not the former?
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Because Roger Waters is a known asshole so i canít argue against any of those other things but more importantly as i said previously when people label those who call out Israelís apartheid state as anti semetic itís more than an attack on just the person but a warning to others to shut the fuck up about whatís going on and iím not down with that. Iím not in a lot of teams but #TeamNotThat
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IIRC the pig also had the Christian cross and the Muslim crescent star, as well as dollar signs, Mercedes-Benz symbols, Shell oil symbols, etc. I don't know if Waters is truly antisemitic (I have my suspicions) but IMO the pig is an equal-opportunity offender making a larger point about religion as a tool of the military industrial complex or some such shit.

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