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everything you wrote is very true but they were doing those long form instrumental tracks with Syd too especially live- interstellar overdrive, pow r toc h, reaction in G. Even in 1966 I suspect they were doing them live since there's a demo of interstellar overdrive from then. That's the only thing that carried over (besides all those songs about Syd) but I couldn't even really compare any of that to what came after Syd had left.Originally Posted by rocket1312
Yah, I gotta disagree with Lemmy. He may find the pre-DSOTM albums inaccessible (and that's fine), but I think the stuff they did after Syd left had nothing to do with Syd. Syd wrote these whimisical little pop songs (which were a bit strange mind you), but the band started doing all of this long form instrumental, spacey, freak out stuff because they knew they couldn't replicate Syd's style. All you have to do is listen to Syd's solo stuff to get an idea of what Pink Floyd may have been had Syd not left. It sounds nothing like what they were doing during the 68-72 period. If you think the pre-DSOTM stuff is inaccessible, it's mostly because the guys were trying to find their niche as they developed as musicians and songwriters.
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Yes they were doing things like Interstellar Overdrive when Syd was still there, so in that sense the long instrumentals were a holdover. That being said, I think the stuff they did after Syd left was very different. The basis for Insterstellar Overdrive is Syd's chugging guitar riff. There's an energy and lack of structure there that wasn't present in the later epics. When I think of the post-Syd stuff, I think of Roger's droning bass lines and Rick's organ noodling.Originally Posted by statcat
everything you wrote is very true but they were doing those long form instrumental tracks with Syd too especially live- interstellar overdrive, pow r toc h, reaction in G. Even in 1966 I suspect they were doing them live since there's a demo of interstellar overdrive from then. That's the only thing that carried over (besides all those songs about Syd) but I couldn't even really compare any of that to what came after Syd had left.
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the interstellar overdrive riff came from Love- My Little Red Book and Steptoe and Son theme supposedly. it was all or mostly improvised- music to trip out to at the UFO club
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Soundtrack from the Film More

Track Listing
Side One
1. "Cirrus Minor"
2. "The Nile Song"
3. "Crying Song"
4. "Up the Khyber"
5. "Green Is the Colour"
6. "Cymbaline"
7. "Party Sequence"
Side two
1. "Main Theme"
2. "Ibiza Bar"
3. "More Blues"
4. "Quicksilver"
5. "A Spanish Piece"
6. "Dramatic Theme"
* Roger Waters – bass guitar, guitar, tape and birdsong effects, bongos, gong, backing vocals
* Nick Mason – percussion, drums, bongos
* Richard Wright – Hammond and Farfisa organs, piano, vibraphone, bongos
* David Gilmour – acoustic, electric, slide, and Flamenco guitars, tape effects, bongos, vocals
* James Guthrie – re-mastering supervision
* Hipgnosis – sleeve design
* Doug Sax – re-mastering
This album feels like a mixed bag. Some stuff sounds great and psychedelic while others come off as generic. Maybe that was the result of the movie they had to work with. Perhaps I'd appreciate this album more if i see the movie. Is it any good? I enjoyed Saucerful of Secrets much more than this Album.

Track Listing
Side One
1. "Cirrus Minor"
2. "The Nile Song"
3. "Crying Song"
4. "Up the Khyber"
5. "Green Is the Colour"
6. "Cymbaline"
7. "Party Sequence"
Side two
1. "Main Theme"
2. "Ibiza Bar"
3. "More Blues"
4. "Quicksilver"
5. "A Spanish Piece"
6. "Dramatic Theme"
* Roger Waters – bass guitar, guitar, tape and birdsong effects, bongos, gong, backing vocals
* Nick Mason – percussion, drums, bongos
* Richard Wright – Hammond and Farfisa organs, piano, vibraphone, bongos
* David Gilmour – acoustic, electric, slide, and Flamenco guitars, tape effects, bongos, vocals
* James Guthrie – re-mastering supervision
* Hipgnosis – sleeve design
* Doug Sax – re-mastering
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This album feels like a mixed bag. Some stuff sounds great and psychedelic while others come off as generic. Maybe that was the result of the movie they had to work with. Perhaps I'd appreciate this album more if i see the movie. Is it any good? I enjoyed Saucerful of Secrets much more than this Album.
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I haven't listened to this album since I was big into Floyd in 9th grade.
#31
Nile Song is pretty heavy and one of the best tracks, Green is the Colour is a cool track they would play live a lot. It's been a long time since I've listened to this myself too.
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Sean O'Hara , 10-07-10 10:09 PM
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I've always felt the performances on More were a bit dull. The version of Cymbaline on the Smoking Blues bootleg is a million times better, despite the power going out in the middle of the performance. Only The Nile Song and Green Is the Color show any signs of life.
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Pink Floyd during this period was an interesting band. They were clearly reeling from the loss of Syd Barrett and their studio albums reflect this. They were trying lots of interesting stuff, but their songwriting just wasn't there yet. However, at the same time, they were becoming a great live band. Like the previous poster said, if you take the material from the studio version of More and compare it to the live renditions, it isn't even close. Songs like "Green is the Colour" and "Cymbaline" sound ok on the album, but became key pieces of their live set. In fact, shortly before this album was released the band unveiled their "The Man and the Journey" suite. For those who aren't familiar with it, it was basically a two set concert arrangement which combined material spanning their entire career (up top that point obviously) and presented it as sort of a concept album. It was a huge marker on the road to the band that they would eventually become and in my opinion the material was presented much better than it was on the various studio albums. They were considering releasing it as a live album, but ultimately decided against it because of the impending release of UmmaGumma.
Anyway, back to More; This is definitely in the bottom tier of Floyd albums. There are a couple of cool songs ("The Nile Song" and "Ibiza Bar") which were heavier than most of what came later. "Green is the Colour" is a nice little acoustic number that would blossom into a much better song during the live shows (especially, imho, when combined with "Careful With That Axe, Eugene"). Cymbaline, again, was much better live than on the album as well. Most of the rest of the album is unessential filler. "Main Theme" sounds like it has potential, but ultimately goes nowhere. (I know it was played live a few times, so it probably improved in that setting.)
It's hard to bag on the album too much because it is a soundtrack and the little bits of incidental music may be perfect for the movie (I've never seen it), but it was obvious that the Floyd were still trying to figure out what the heck they were doing without Syd. It's interesting to listen to just to chart their development as a band, but really is for die-hards only.
Anyway, back to More; This is definitely in the bottom tier of Floyd albums. There are a couple of cool songs ("The Nile Song" and "Ibiza Bar") which were heavier than most of what came later. "Green is the Colour" is a nice little acoustic number that would blossom into a much better song during the live shows (especially, imho, when combined with "Careful With That Axe, Eugene"). Cymbaline, again, was much better live than on the album as well. Most of the rest of the album is unessential filler. "Main Theme" sounds like it has potential, but ultimately goes nowhere. (I know it was played live a few times, so it probably improved in that setting.)
It's hard to bag on the album too much because it is a soundtrack and the little bits of incidental music may be perfect for the movie (I've never seen it), but it was obvious that the Floyd were still trying to figure out what the heck they were doing without Syd. It's interesting to listen to just to chart their development as a band, but really is for die-hards only.
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Ummagumma

Track Listing:
Live Album
1. "Astronomy Domine" (Syd Barrett) – 8:29 – 27 April 1969
2. "Careful with That Axe, Eugene" (Roger Waters, Rick Wright, David Gilmour, Nick Mason) – 8:50 – 2 May 1969
3. "Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun" (Waters) – 9:12 – 2 May 1969
4. "A Saucerful of Secrets" (Gilmour/Waters/Wright/Mason) – 12:48 – 27 April 1969
1. "Something Else"
2. "Syncopated Pandemonium"
3. "Storm Signal"
4. "Celestial Voices"
Studio album
1. "Sysyphus" (Wright) – 12:59
* Part 1 – 4:29
* Part 2 – 1:45
* Part 3 – 3:07
* Part 4 – 3:38
2. "Grantchester Meadows" (Waters) – 7:26
3. "Several Species of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together in a Cave and Grooving with a Pict" (Waters) – 4:59
4. "The Narrow Way" (Gilmour) – 12:17
* Part 1 – 3:27
* Part 2 – 2:53
* Part 3 – 5:57
5. "The Grand Vizier's Garden Party" (Mason) – 8:44
* Part 1: "Entrance" – 1:00
* Part 2: "Entertainment" – 7:06
* Part 3: "Exit" – 0:38
Pink Floyd
* David Gilmour – guitars; vocals on "A Saucerful of Secrets"; all instruments and vocals on "The Narrow Way" parts 1 and 2.
* Nick Mason – drums and percussion; all instruments on "The Grand Vizier's Garden Party" (except flute)
* Roger Waters – bass guitar; vocals on "Astronomy Domine", "Careful with That Axe, Eugene", "Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun" and "Grantchester Meadows"; acoustic guitar on "Grantchester Meadows"; tape effects and voices on "Several Species of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together in a Cave and Grooving with a Pict".
* Richard Wright – keyboards; vibraphone; vocals on "Astronomy Domine"; harmony vocals on The Narrow Way Part III; all instruments on "Sysyphus"
Additional personnel
* Lindy Mason (then Nick Mason's wife) – flutes on "The Grand Vizier's Garden Party" (uncredited)
Wow. This is a step up from 'More' and Floyds previous albums. The live album really improved on a lot of songs. They sounded great and would love to see this re-mastered in 5.1. It would be amazing to hear.
The studio Album is great as well. 6.Several species was a big wtf song. Narrow way stood out as a great guitar solo. The rest sounded like the Floyd i am used to listen to and it seems they really evolved with this album.

Track Listing:
Live Album
1. "Astronomy Domine" (Syd Barrett) – 8:29 – 27 April 1969
2. "Careful with That Axe, Eugene" (Roger Waters, Rick Wright, David Gilmour, Nick Mason) – 8:50 – 2 May 1969
3. "Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun" (Waters) – 9:12 – 2 May 1969
4. "A Saucerful of Secrets" (Gilmour/Waters/Wright/Mason) – 12:48 – 27 April 1969
1. "Something Else"
2. "Syncopated Pandemonium"
3. "Storm Signal"
4. "Celestial Voices"
Studio album
1. "Sysyphus" (Wright) – 12:59
* Part 1 – 4:29
* Part 2 – 1:45
* Part 3 – 3:07
* Part 4 – 3:38
2. "Grantchester Meadows" (Waters) – 7:26
3. "Several Species of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together in a Cave and Grooving with a Pict" (Waters) – 4:59
4. "The Narrow Way" (Gilmour) – 12:17
* Part 1 – 3:27
* Part 2 – 2:53
* Part 3 – 5:57
5. "The Grand Vizier's Garden Party" (Mason) – 8:44
* Part 1: "Entrance" – 1:00
* Part 2: "Entertainment" – 7:06
* Part 3: "Exit" – 0:38
Pink Floyd
* David Gilmour – guitars; vocals on "A Saucerful of Secrets"; all instruments and vocals on "The Narrow Way" parts 1 and 2.
* Nick Mason – drums and percussion; all instruments on "The Grand Vizier's Garden Party" (except flute)
* Roger Waters – bass guitar; vocals on "Astronomy Domine", "Careful with That Axe, Eugene", "Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun" and "Grantchester Meadows"; acoustic guitar on "Grantchester Meadows"; tape effects and voices on "Several Species of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together in a Cave and Grooving with a Pict".
* Richard Wright – keyboards; vibraphone; vocals on "Astronomy Domine"; harmony vocals on The Narrow Way Part III; all instruments on "Sysyphus"
Additional personnel
* Lindy Mason (then Nick Mason's wife) – flutes on "The Grand Vizier's Garden Party" (uncredited)
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Spoiler:
Wow. This is a step up from 'More' and Floyds previous albums. The live album really improved on a lot of songs. They sounded great and would love to see this re-mastered in 5.1. It would be amazing to hear.
The studio Album is great as well. 6.Several species was a big wtf song. Narrow way stood out as a great guitar solo. The rest sounded like the Floyd i am used to listen to and it seems they really evolved with this album.
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My least listened to album, I believe. The live portion is cool, the studio portion I could never get into.
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My least listened to album, I believe. The live portion is cool, the studio portion I could never get into.
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This is the only Floyd album I don't own. I've come close to buying it a few times, but being a double album it's bit more expensive than the others and it never goes on sale. I already know I'd barely listen to it and would only want it for completionists sake.
The studio side shows that they clearly didn't have a direction yet and other than a few moments here or there (mostly in The Narrow Way) there's not much happening.
The live disc is cool and greatly improves on the studio recordings of the same songs, but I've heard a dozen bootlegs from the era that are better (if not in sound quality, then performance). Maybe that's why I've never felt like I needed this album. I sort of feel guilty about that. I guess I'll buy it someday...
The studio side shows that they clearly didn't have a direction yet and other than a few moments here or there (mostly in The Narrow Way) there's not much happening.
The live disc is cool and greatly improves on the studio recordings of the same songs, but I've heard a dozen bootlegs from the era that are better (if not in sound quality, then performance). Maybe that's why I've never felt like I needed this album. I sort of feel guilty about that. I guess I'll buy it someday...
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Sean O'Hara , 10-12-10 11:59 PM
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The first disc is my favorite of the official Floyd live albums, but the studio portion feels like leftovers that were thrown in a bucket with eggs on top. Several Species... is amusing once, but I can't listen to an album that has that in the middle.
(Has anyone ever managed a successful live/studio album? Tori Amos tried with To Venus and Back, but it suffered the same problem with the studio part sounding lke stuff that didn't make the cut for other albums.)
(Has anyone ever managed a successful live/studio album? Tori Amos tried with To Venus and Back, but it suffered the same problem with the studio part sounding lke stuff that didn't make the cut for other albums.)
#39
Supermallet , 10-13-10 12:25 AM
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I actually really like this album. Yes, the studio stuff is weird, but it's not bad.
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"Several Species of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together in a Cave and Grooving with a Pict" defined the studio album for me. Such a weird tune.
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(Has anyone ever managed a successful live/studio album? Tori Amos tried with To Venus and Back, but it suffered the same problem with the studio part sounding lke stuff that didn't make the cut for other albums.)
Cream - Wheels of FireOriginally Posted by Sean O'Hara
The first disc is my favorite of the official Floyd live albums, but the studio portion feels like leftovers that were thrown in a bucket with eggs on top. Several Species... is amusing once, but I can't listen to an album that has that in the middle.(Has anyone ever managed a successful live/studio album? Tori Amos tried with To Venus and Back, but it suffered the same problem with the studio part sounding lke stuff that didn't make the cut for other albums.)
#43
Weird, creepy, and exhilarating. This is an album experience throughout, and one I enjoy immensely, but not one I return to that often.
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Has anyone ever managed a successful live/studio album?
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I missed the first albums in the thread. Foo.
I'll listen to the live album. The only part of the studio album I like is Grantchester Meadows. Although I like Several Species when I'm in a silly mood.
Since I don't have the number of bootlegs that some people in this thread own, this is most of my exposure to live Floyd.
I'll listen to the live album. The only part of the studio album I like is Grantchester Meadows. Although I like Several Species when I'm in a silly mood.
Since I don't have the number of bootlegs that some people in this thread own, this is most of my exposure to live Floyd.
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I once thought so. But I when I played Bike for a girlfriend, her reaction was horror. She thought the singer/songwriter was deeply disturbed, needy, fearful, and an emotional basket-case. I had to tell her that a year later, he went mad and almost never came out of his mother's house again.Originally Posted by rocket1312
(Syd really was special. How could anyone listen to Bike and not smile?)
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Well now you've ruined Bike for me. Thanks a lot. Originally Posted by Nick Danger
I once thought so. But I when I played Bike for a girlfriend, her reaction was horror. She thought the singer/songwriter was deeply disturbed, needy, fearful, and an emotional basket-case. I had to tell her that a year later, he went mad and almost never came out of his mother's house again.

I get what she's saying though. There definitely is a desperation in Syd's songs. It's like he was always looking for someone or something to fill a void in his life. I think that became more obvious in his later material. I dare you to listen to Dark Globe (the alternate take from Opel moreso than the original) and not start tearing up.
Even though that quality was there from the beginning I think something like Bike is still fun as just a whimsical pop song. The line about the mouse called Gerald makes me laugh every time I listen to it.
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I don't know if mhg83 is busy with new bookings or something, but we're not going to let this thread die just as we're getting to the good stuff, are we?
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Nope. Just been busy and stopped downloading music so trying to listen to my music legally from now on:
Atom Heart Mother

Track Listing:
Writer(s) Lead vocals Length
1. "Atom Heart Mother" Gilmour, Waters, Wright, Mason, Ron Geesin Instrumental 23:44
2. "If" Waters Waters 4:31
3. "Summer '68" Wright Wright 5:29
4. "Fat Old Sun" Gilmour Gilmour 5:22
5. "Alan's Psychedelic Breakfast" Gilmour, Waters, Wright, Mason Instrumental 13:00
* David Gilmour – guitars; bass guitar, drums and vocals on "Fat Old Sun"
* Nick Mason – drums, percussion, tape editing, tape collage, additional engineering on "Alan's Psychedelic Breakfast"
* Roger Waters – bass guitar, acoustic guitar on "If", tape effects, tape collage, vocals on "If"
* Richard Wright – keyboards, piano, Hammond Organ, orchestration, vocals on "Summer '68"
Additional musicians
* Abbey Road Session Pops Orchestra – brass and orchestral sections
* John Alldis Choir – vocals
* Philip Jones Brass Ensemble – brass
* Alan Stiles – voice on "Alan's Psychedelic Breakfast"
Production
* Peter Bown – engineering
* Ron Geesin – orchestration and co-composition on "Atom Heart Mother"
* James Guthrie – 1994 remastering
* Alan Parsons – engineering
Just finished listening to this one. Not as good as the previous album but loved the opening and closing song. Not sure but it seems like these two are the longest songs Floyd has ever recorded.
Atom Heart Mother

Track Listing:
Writer(s) Lead vocals Length
1. "Atom Heart Mother" Gilmour, Waters, Wright, Mason, Ron Geesin Instrumental 23:44
2. "If" Waters Waters 4:31
3. "Summer '68" Wright Wright 5:29
4. "Fat Old Sun" Gilmour Gilmour 5:22
5. "Alan's Psychedelic Breakfast" Gilmour, Waters, Wright, Mason Instrumental 13:00
* David Gilmour – guitars; bass guitar, drums and vocals on "Fat Old Sun"
* Nick Mason – drums, percussion, tape editing, tape collage, additional engineering on "Alan's Psychedelic Breakfast"
* Roger Waters – bass guitar, acoustic guitar on "If", tape effects, tape collage, vocals on "If"
* Richard Wright – keyboards, piano, Hammond Organ, orchestration, vocals on "Summer '68"
Additional musicians
* Abbey Road Session Pops Orchestra – brass and orchestral sections
* John Alldis Choir – vocals
* Philip Jones Brass Ensemble – brass
* Alan Stiles – voice on "Alan's Psychedelic Breakfast"
Production
* Peter Bown – engineering
* Ron Geesin – orchestration and co-composition on "Atom Heart Mother"
* James Guthrie – 1994 remastering
* Alan Parsons – engineering
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Just finished listening to this one. Not as good as the previous album but loved the opening and closing song. Not sure but it seems like these two are the longest songs Floyd has ever recorded.
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The title track is definitely the longest Pink Floyd track.
They're still heavily in experimental mode, but they're getting closer. A lot closer.
They're still heavily in experimental mode, but they're getting closer. A lot closer.
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Sean O'Hara , 10-23-10 10:34 PM
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Floyd took a big hit in the lyrics department when Syd left, and they didn't really recover until Dark Side. For all their brilliant instrumental experimentation, they didn't come up with any really memorable lines for about five years. ("One of these days I'm going to cut you into little pieces" doesn't really cut it.) The only exception is If, which is not coincidentally the first song to really ask, "Okay, what the fuck happened with Syd?" You could almost slip some of the lines into Brain Damage without them seeming out of place:
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If I were a swan, I'd be gone.
If I were a train, I'd be late.
And if I were a good man,
I'd talk with you
More often than I do.
If I were to sleep, I could dream.
If I were afraid, I could hide.
If I go insane, please don't put
Your wires in my brain.
If I were the moon, I'd be cool.
If I were a book, I would bend for you.
If I were a good man, I'd understand
The spaces between friends.
If I were alone, I would cry.
And if I were with you, I'd be home and dry.
And if I go insane,
And they lock me away,
Will you still let me join in the game?
If I were a swan, I'd be gone.
If I were a train, I'd be late again.
If I were a good man,
I'd talk with you
More often than I do.
If I were a swan, I'd be gone.
If I were a train, I'd be late.
And if I were a good man,
I'd talk with you
More often than I do.
If I were to sleep, I could dream.
If I were afraid, I could hide.
If I go insane, please don't put
Your wires in my brain.
If I were the moon, I'd be cool.
If I were a book, I would bend for you.
If I were a good man, I'd understand
The spaces between friends.
If I were alone, I would cry.
And if I were with you, I'd be home and dry.
And if I go insane,
And they lock me away,
Will you still let me join in the game?
If I were a swan, I'd be gone.
If I were a train, I'd be late again.
If I were a good man,
I'd talk with you
More often than I do.