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Old 08-07-11 | 09:27 PM
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The only icons I see (on my mac) are the chain link near the album title. I'll check my PC at work tomorrow.
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Originally Posted by Suprmallet
I think Spotify's got a better overall track selection than MOG.
I'm pretty sure you're right about that. I think I read that MOG has about 11 million tracks and Spotify has 13 to 15 million. There are supposed to be songs on MOG that aren't on Spotify and songs on Spotify that aren't on MOG. MOG has Pink Floyd, but I saw an article that suggested Spotify didn't. I could be wrong about that though. MOG has The White Stripes also, and I believe someone in this thread said that they may have disappeared from Spotify.

Spotify doesn't seem to let you search without signing up, so I haven't been able to compare their selection with MOG's.
Old 08-08-11 | 10:48 AM
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If you need an invite to Spotify, just send me a PM with your email address.


Also, you can use this site to search for anything within Spotify's catalog. It's a little buggy, but it works. The only real downside is that it displays everything in every region, so you'll come across a lot of stuff that's available in the UK but not in the US, and there's no indication of that until you try to play the track/album.
But, it does help to give an indication of what music you can expect to be added to the US catalog in the coming months, since it's relatively safe to assume that if it's licensed in the UK, it'll eventually get licensed in the US.
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If you need an invite to Spotify, just send me a PM with your email address.


Also, you can use this site to search for anything within Spotify's catalog. It's a little buggy, but it works. The only real downside is that it displays everything in every region, so you'll come across a lot of stuff that's available in the UK but not in the US, and there's no indication of that until you try to play the track/album.
But, it does help to give an indication of what music you can expect to be added to the US catalog in the coming months, since it's relatively safe to assume that if it's licensed in the UK, it'll eventually get licensed in the US.
Thanks. I appreciate the offer, but I actually found an invite on another site. I signed up, but I haven't downloaded the client yet. I read a couple of things that have kept me trying it just yet (the Kissmetrics cookie, and the virus through one of their ads prior to the U.S. launch). I know those issues are supposed to have been resolved, but I'm still a little hesitant to download their client to my main computer.

I will definitely check out the site you linked. At least that will give me an idea of which tracks they have.
Old 08-08-11 | 11:20 AM
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^ Legitimate concerns, but the cookie and ad malware are gone. Of course, such things could happen again, but just as likely on any other service. If I understand the situation with the Kissmetrics cookie properly, then it was only installed over a very short period of time, and only for people who downloaded the app, brand new, from the site during that time, as opposed to getting the automatic updates that Spotify does (like Chrome). Right now, the installation file is totally clean.
As for the ad malware, it's possible that it could happen again, but they're now dealing with higher-profile advertisers than they were before. As long has you have MSE or some other antivirus/antimalware software, you're as safe as you can be.
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^That's good to hear. I thought the cookie and malware were gone based on the articles I had seen, but it's reassuring to hear it from someone actually using Spotify. The malware in the ads shouldn't be an issue since I would probably end up using the premium plan anyway if I decide there's a good reason to switch from MOG. After your response, I might be more likely to try it out.

Can you confirm for me that you have to download songs to a computer using their client before transferring the music to your mobile device? That's a pretty big deal for me, and I hope I'm just reading things wrong on the Spotify site. It's wonderful with MOG to be able to search and download a high quality file (320 kbps) directly to my phone anywhere that I have a cell signal.

It looks like Spotify might have better integration with social media and other users (shared playlists, etc.). To be honest, I haven't really played with that much with MOG. I seem to be finding stuff I want to hear faster than I can listen to it without needing additional recommendations, so I'm not sure if that's a big selling point for me just yet.
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Originally Posted by Dusty Bottoms
Can you confirm for me that you have to download songs to a computer using their client before transferring the music to your mobile device? That's a pretty big deal for me, and I hope I'm just reading things wrong on the Spotify site. It's wonderful with MOG to be able to search and download a high quality file (320 kbps) directly to my phone anywhere that I have a cell signal.
You definitely don't need to download the songs to your computer before transferring to your mobile. That only applies to your own personal "local files" that are not in the Spotify database.
There are two main functions of the Spotify mobile app:
1. Listen to anything in the database on-the-fly. So, if you're listening to Weird Al, and you're suddenly in the mood for Isis, you can start playing the Isis song you want to hear instantly, even if it's not stored on your device. I assume MOG works the same way.
2. Listen "offline" when you know you can't/won't use 3G for up to 30 days. You just choose which playlists to download (up to 3333 songs), and Spotify uses your WiFi or 3G connection to grab the songs from their database. You can sync your "local files" too, but only over WiFi, and only when connected to the same WiFi network as the PC that has the actual files. The mobile app does all the downloading on its own; you just have to specify if you want to allow it to sync over WiFi and/or 3G, then select the playlists that you want to be available offline.

That said, Spotify only has two options for audio quality on the mobile app: 96kbps or 160kbps. You can only get 320kbps on the desktop app. Of course, Spotify uses OGG to encode the files, so they're slightly better than MP3s at the same bitrate. Personally, I was initially upset about the lack of 320kbps on the mobile app, but eventually stopped caring. MOG has one-upped Spotify in that department.

It looks like Spotify might have better integration with social media and other users (shared playlists, etc.). To be honest, I haven't really played with that much with MOG. I seem to be finding stuff I want to hear faster than I can listen to it without needing additional recommendations, so I'm not sure if that's a big selling point for me just yet.
I'm told MOG has a lot of similar features. From what I've read, MOG is probably more user-friendly overall than Spotify (better GUI), but Spotify is so fast and stable (99% of the time) that you can search and play what you want much quicker. It almost feels like all 15 million songs are on your hard drive. It just takes a little bit of messing around to get used to some of the weirder UI elements (like the ambiguous icons we've been discussing in this thread).

Like I said, I haven't used MOG, but I have used Rdio. Personally, I prefer Spotify because I don't need a "pretty" GUI. I just want to pick an album/playlist, and listen. It's like the difference between Apple's iBook app (flashy page turning manipulation) and the Kindle (press a button, advance a page. No frills.). I prefer the Kindle approach, but there's nothing wrong with preferring the iBook approach. It's just not my cup of tea.
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^Thanks again for all of your input. It has really helped answer a lot of my questions. I was under the impression that what you're describing with local files (being on the same WiFi network to transfer) applied to songs in the database as well. Spotify is much more appealing without that limitation.

In my case, I'm currently using an iPhone to listen to downloaded tracks in my car. I have 3G, but instead of streaming and using data, I prefer to download tracks when I'm near a WiFi connection. I can use 3G if I need it, but the MOG app has a "My Downloads" section that works very much like it would on an iPod for playback. I can download a song or an album at a time from their database without creating a playlist. Everything is categorized in the app by album, song, artist. It sounds like Spotify does something similar, but if I understand you correctly, you might have to take the extra step of adding everything to a playlist before downloading.

The MOG app gives you an option of a 64 kbps AAC+ file or a 320 kbps MP3 file. I didn't know it at first, but it defaults to 64 kbps, and I was a little disappointed in the sound quality in my car. I found the setting for 320 kbps, and redownloaded some tracks. It was a noticeable improvement.

From someone who uses a Kindle 3 instead of the iBooks app on my iPad, I agree with your opinion on a "pretty" GUI. I don't know if I would call the MOG app fancy, but it's intuitive in my opinion. I think it would be easy to pick up and figure out for anyone who has used an iPod Touch or iPhone. Being able to easily find and listen to a wealth of songs or complete albums is also my most important consideration.

As for speed, I've been impressed with MOG so far. When streaming, the search is quick and the gap between songs isn't bad. When listening on my computer, there have been a couple of times when it's had to buffer during a song, but I was doing other things on the internet, and I dont have the fastest DSL connection in the world. Of course, I might try Spotify and find that it makes MOG feel slow. With the downloads, it's not really an issue.
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I take it SomethingMore works for this company? Do they sponsor DVDTalk?
Old 08-08-11 | 03:13 PM
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I do not work for them. I made that clear in my first post. I have been using Spotify for about 18 months, so forgive me for being a little excited that you filthy Americans can use it now.


Originally Posted by Dusty Bottoms
It sounds like Spotify does something similar, but if I understand you correctly, you might have to take the extra step of adding everything to a playlist before downloading.
Yeah, another significant drawback to Spotify (see CRM114, I can criticize them too!). There's no way to do the standard iPod-style Artist/Album filtering of your local files on your iPhone. It's annoying as hell, actually, since I usually create a monthly playlist that I sync to my Android phone, but scrolling through that playlist can be a major pain in the ass. The closest thing you can do is create a playlist for each album. The iPhone app allows playlist folders, so it can simulate the iPod experience, but it's not quite perfected yet.

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I'm still loving the collaborative playlists. Easily my favorite feature of the service up to this point and my friends and I have created one that rivals the DVDTalk Mix of Doom: The 90s Nostalgia playlist.

The only downside I have to the mobile app is them not having Artist Radio enabled. While I love having any song at my finger tips, I don't like having to search for music while operating a moving vehicle.
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Question for our resident spotify expert :how do you sort playlist on their mobile android app? Also, is there a way to block or at least notify before adding duplicates?
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You can delete songs from playlists in the android app... you just can't move them around within the playlist as you see fit. Yes, frustrating. I think the recently updated iPhone app does what you're asking for, but Android is still waiting for the update. You have to open the desktop app and sort the playlist there. When sorting the playlist, don't do it by clicking any of the headers (for example, make sure there's no triangle beside Artist, Album, Track, etc.) as that won't affect the mobile playlist. You have to be able to move the tracks around freely.

At one point, the Android app was actually better than the iPhone app. It's annoying to see how it has been getting neglected in the last few months.

There's currently no way to block or notify before adding duplicates. Again, pretty frustrating. My own workaround, if I'm ever concerned that I might have added a song twice, is I'll sort the playlist by Track title, quickly check to see if a song is listed twice, then re-sort back to the way it was (no triangle beside Track)
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You can delete songs from playlists in the android app... you just can't move them around within the playlist as you see fit. Yes, frustrating. I think the recently updated iPhone app does what you're asking for, but Android is still waiting for the update. You have to open the desktop app and sort the playlist there. When sorting the playlist, don't do it by clicking any of the headers (for example, make sure there's no triangle beside Artist, Album, Track, etc.) as that won't affect the mobile playlist. You have to be able to move the tracks around freely.

At one point, the Android app was actually better than the iPhone app. It's annoying to see how it has been getting neglected in the last few months.

There's currently no way to block or notify before adding duplicates. Again, pretty frustrating. My own workaround, if I'm ever concerned that I might have added a song twice, is I'll sort the playlist by Track title, quickly check to see if a song is listed twice, then re-sort back to the way it was (no triangle beside Track)
Wait, so if i used the desktop app chose the playlist, then selected by artist from the bar, that change would not be recognized in the android? what do you mean move the track freely?

Speaking of delete on the android, is there a way to delete more than one track at a time, or you have to long press, then select each song you want to delete?
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Wait, so if i used the desktop app chose the playlist, then selected by artist from the bar, that change would not be recognized in the android?
Correct. When you are sorting by Artist using the top bar, that sorts the tracks in that order on the desktop client, but it is not a permanent change to the actual playlist order. If you want it to take effect on the Android, then you can sort by Artist, highlight every track and create a new playlist called "Mix: Sorted" or whatever you want and remove the old one.

what do you mean move the track freely?
When you sort a playlist by Artist, Track, Album, etc., then it "locks" the playlist in a way where the order cannot be manipulated, but tracks can still be added or removed. Try this:
Add an album to a new playlist. Then sort that playlist by Track name. Now, you're unable to move the songs around into the order you want, because the Track name sorting takes priority. But, if you stop sorting by Track name (ascending or descending), then you can select the first track and move it to the end or wherever you want to put it.

iTunes handles all of the above in the same way with regard to playlists (not full libraries). The playlist has a determined "order" that can only be manipulated when viewing it without Artist, Album, or Track sorting options selected. I don't know how this affects iPod and iPhone playlists, though.

Speaking of delete on the android, is there a way to delete more than one track at a time, or you have to long press, then select each song you want to delete?
I've only ever been able to delete one track or a complete playlist at a time. If there's a way to choose a handful of specific tracks within a playlist, I've never seen it.

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Correct. When you are sorting by Artist using the top bar, that sorts the tracks in that order on the desktop client, but it is not a permanent change to the actual playlist order. If you want it to take effect on the Android, then you can sort by Artist, highlight every track and create a new playlist called "Mix: Sorted" or whatever you want and remove the old one.
thanks, that's probably the best way for now until they improve the android app


When you sort a playlist by Artist, Track, Album, etc., then it "locks" the playlist in a way where the order cannot be manipulated, but tracks can still be added or removed. Try this:
Add an album to a new playlist. Then sort that playlist by Track name. Now, you're unable to move the songs around into the order you want, because the Track name sorting takes priority. But, if you stop sorting by Track name (ascending or descending), then you can select the first track and move it to the end or wherever you want to put it.

iTunes handles all of the above in the same way with regard to playlists (not full libraries). The playlist has a determined "order" that can only be manipulated when viewing it without Artist, Album, or Track sorting options selected. I don't know how this affects iPod and iPhone playlists, though.


I've only ever been able to delete one track or a complete playlist at a time. If there's a way to choose a handful of specific tracks within a playlist, I've never seen it.
interesting thing about the lock, never tried to move stuff after i sorted it, since there wasn't a need on the desktop.

sucks that you can't do multi-delete tracks, sometimes i accidentally add an album instead of just one song, i have to go in and individually delete each song i don't want.
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This is unfortunate:

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/bla...sitemID=161742

CENTURY MEDIA RECORDS Pulls Its Repertoire From SPOTIFY - Aug. 9, 2011
Century Media and its associated labels — InsideOutMusic, Superballmusic and People Like You — have decided to pull their repertoire from streaming music service Spotify in an attempt "to protect the interests of their artists."

The U.S. version of Spotify, which gives its users access to all the songs in its cloud to organize into playlists and listen to as they please, has reportedly attracted 1.4 million registered users so far in spite of its current invite-only status. Of those users, roughly 175,000 are said to be "paying users." In Europe, where Spotify has been available in seven countries since its launch in 2008, the company currently has around 1.6 million paying users, according to published reports.

According to the an infographic on the Information Is Beautiful web site, which visualizes the different monetization methods available to artists and how profitable they are, if you are a solo musician, at $0.00029 per play on Spotify, you will have to receive 4,053,110 plays per month to earn the U.S. minimum wage of $1,160.

In a statement released earlier today, Century Media explained its position by saying, "While everyone at the label group believes in the ever-changing possibilities of new technology and new ways of bringing music to the fans, Century Media is also of the opinion that Spotify in its present shape and form isn't the way forward. The income streams to the artists are affected massively and therefore that accelerates the downward spiral, which eventually will lead to artists not being able to record music the way it should be recorded. Ultimately, in some cases, it will completely kill a lot of smaller bands that are already struggling to make ends meet. At the same time, Century Media also believes that Spotify is a great tool to discover new music and is in the process of reintroducing their bands to Spotify by way of putting up samplers of the artists. This way, fans can still discover the great music released by the label.

"Physical sales are dropping drastically in all countries where Spotify is active. Artists are depending on their income from selling music and it is our job to support them to do so. Since the artists need to sell their music to continue their creativity, Spotify is a problem for them. This is about survival, nothing less, and it is time that fans and consumers realize that for artists it is essential to sell music to keep their heads above water.

"Obviously, it is ultimately up to the music fan and consumer how they access their music, whether it is buying, streaming or stealing. There needs to be awareness, though, that how you will consume your music has direct consequences for the artists, who we are all trying to support."
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And that's why I'll never put all of my entertainment eggs in the cloud. Licenses are too transient. Spotify, Netflix, Hulu, et al. are fine services, but they'll only ever augment my ownership of media, not replace it.
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I understand why CM is pulling their stuff. I just hope they create some playlists, rotating out songs on a regular basis. Give me a mix of old stuff, new stuff, maybe broken out by genre, change it up every month or so, and that will be okay.
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Dammit. That really blows, I just got Spotify too. Oh well, I suppose.
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That sucks, though the only artist I ever heard of on that label is Lacuna Coil. Still, I hope this doesn't lead to other labels pulling their music from the service. I'm loving Spotify, and have actually discovered a lot of new music through it already.
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And on the other side of that coin...
http://truecultheavymetal.com/blog1....gue-on-spotify
Earache Records have teamed up with music streaming service Spotify to give metal and rock fans instant access to a library of killer tunes. Their entire music catalogue is available to stream now, featuring over 3,500 tracks from some of the most legendary names in rock and metal, including At The Gates, Morbid Angel and Deicide, along side some of the hottest new bands such as Evile, Wormrot and more.

Their catalogue will be constantly updated and might even allow you to discover your new favourite artist, to listen to the Earache Spotify stream, just head to this location (a Spotify account is required!)
I think Century Media is making a mistake, but they're free to do what they want. At least one of their bands has expressed their disappointment with the decision. They are making samplers available, which is better than nothing.
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Century Media was my go-to label for years. It took me a long time to find music on their label I couldn't get into.
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The thing I keep thinking about with the CM story is while it appears Spotify makes things better for the consumer, I'm not sure how it makes things better for the artist. If that monetization info is correct, it would seem the old model of artists making nothing off their recordings would continue to hold true.

It's cool they have Earache, but IMO CM is an essential metal label to have.
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The monetization chart from the article (here's the original and the original spreadsheet) is very misleading in the sense that it directly compares the sale of 1 independently-pressed CD full of music to 1 major-label-owned song being streamed once on Spotify (and every other option in between). That unfairly makes all streaming services look pretty evil, and I find it hard to believe that all of these companies (Rhapsody, last.fm, MOG, Rdio, Spotify, We7, etc. etc.) are in the business of screwing over everyone. Sure, it's possible... but I'm skeptical. Also, some sites have reported that Spotify apparently works on some sort of profit-sharing system where the pay-per-stream can change month-to-month depending on the number of paying users. The chart used data in early 2010 when Spotify had a relatively low number of users compared to now as Spotify has grown quite rapidly. I won't pretend to know what any of those numbers actually are, though.

That aside, I think the main trade-off for artists when it comes to physical/digital sales vs. streaming is more granularity in the data. So, with the physical sales model, artists know that X number of people in City Y bought a copy of the CD on release day. Great! But the data stops there. With digital sales, the artist may get a little bit more info. If the album or track is bought on iTunes, maybe Apple tells them how often that track gets played. I doubt it, though.
With streaming services like Spotify, there's far more potential data to be seen. Every time a track is played, it gets logged. So, instead of knowing how many people bought a CD in any given city, you'd be able see that Z number of people listened to the track after seeing the performance on Letterman, and X number of those people listened to the rest of the album, and Y number of those people listened to the rest of the artist's music. The potential there is huge for artists, because they're no longer seeing how abysmal their CD sales are but rather, they're seeing that they're actually really popular in that city that they always skip over on their tours because they didn't think there was an audience there.

In my opinion, that information, as long as it is actually getting to each and every artist, is far more valuable than the minuscule profit they're making from CD/digital sales anyway. Streaming services can provide that information, along with a royalty (however small), without actually charging the artists and labels... they just have to agree to put their music on there in the first place.

Last edited by Dan; 08-10-11 at 02:23 PM.


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