View Poll Results: Are the (early) Beatles a boy band?
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Do you consider the Beatles to be a boy band?
08-03-04, 06:45 PM
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Originally posted by MJKTool
All that link says is that boy bands are organized pop music groups of good looking men who can sing and dance.
Sounds a little like early Beatles
All that link says is that boy bands are organized pop music groups of good looking men who can sing and dance.
Sounds a little like early Beatles
Oh YEAH!????!?!?? Well can The Beatles DANCE? CAN THEY?!?! HUH!?!?!?!?!?
No seriously, can they? I know they knew how to kinda flip their mop-tops around.....
08-04-04, 01:26 AM
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Originally posted by MJKTool
All that link says is that boy bands are organized pop music groups of good looking men who can sing and dance.
Sounds a little like early Beatles
All that link says is that boy bands are organized pop music groups of good looking men who can sing and dance.
Sounds a little like early Beatles
08-04-04, 03:28 AM
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Originally posted by slop101
has anyone ever covered an N'Sync song?
has anyone ever covered an N'Sync song?
But anyways, the big difference is the eras here. The Beatles were closer to your parents' and grandparents' nine inch nails or eminem than backstreet boys or nkotb.
08-04-04, 09:51 AM
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Originally posted by MJKTool
Can you provide a link for this official "definition"?
Can you provide a link for this official "definition"?
yeah...i second that...
I could be wrong but I believe New kids on the block formed themselves...guess they arent a boy band...
I also believe 98 degrees formed themselves...guess they arent a boy band then?
not to mention bands like the BSB and Nsync did write alot of the later songs...not all..but some...
The beatles fame was manufactured......in the beginning their manager admited to paying girls to scream when they got off the plane..admitted to buyin out the sales on their first few singles and also admitted to payin people to go to their first gig at shea....
08-04-04, 10:25 AM
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I can't believe this is even up for discussion. The Beatles have done more for popular music, as far defining it and revolutionizing it, than you could ever hope to understand. They practically invented and perfected the formula of a rock band playing pop/rock songs, much of which has yet to be improved upon.
In the early '60s 99.99% of songs were about "love and crap", as you say. You know who were the first musicians to sing about something else? That's right, The Beatles. With early songs like We Can Work It Out, Eleanor Rigby and Paperback writer, they were the first popular performers that made hits of songs with deeper meanings than "boy-likes-girl". How about their song Run For Your Life, where they threaten to kill a girl with lines like: "I'd rather see you dead, little girl, than be with another man" - this was big stuff in the early '60's and this song was appropriately banned - it caused much more of a stir than, say, Nine Inch Nail's Closer.
Actually, in 1962, She Loves You absolutely did rock. Was it up to current heavy metal standards? Of course not, that's ridiculous - that's like being disappointed in the fastest horse in the world because it's not as fast as an F1 racing car. But you know who raised the standard for songs that ROCK HARD? That's right, The Beatles - go listen to Helter Skelter and tell me they don't rock. You say you're more into cutting edge avante-guard stuff? Listen to Revolution No.9, and I think you'd agree that it's way more trippy than anything even Radiohead can come up with. Actually, instead of talking out of your ass, why don't you do a little research first? - that is, unless you were trolling, in which case: congrats, I fell for it...
That was only for the U.S. and years after they became popular all on their own in England.
Originally posted by weargle
I believe a boy band to be a group of "pretty" boys that put out pop music, mostly about love and crap, and target younger female audiences with their music.
I believe a boy band to be a group of "pretty" boys that put out pop music, mostly about love and crap, and target younger female audiences with their music.
Originally posted by weargle
Ergo, DAC hit the nail on the head. Their early music in no way was rock and roll IMHO but boy band music.
"She loves you yeah yeah yeah" is rock and roll? My white butt rocks harder than that.
Ergo, DAC hit the nail on the head. Their early music in no way was rock and roll IMHO but boy band music.
"She loves you yeah yeah yeah" is rock and roll? My white butt rocks harder than that.
Originally posted by KevinSmithIsGod
The beatles fame was manufactured......in the beginning their manager admited to paying girls to scream when they got off the plane..admitted to buyin out the sales on their first few singles and also admitted to payin people to go to their first gig at shea....
The beatles fame was manufactured......in the beginning their manager admited to paying girls to scream when they got off the plane..admitted to buyin out the sales on their first few singles and also admitted to payin people to go to their first gig at shea....
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08-04-04, 10:57 AM
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Yes, they were a boy band. They grew out of it in a couple of years, and continued growing at a phenomenal rate.
I think of boy bands as a group of cute, non-threatening, mildly sexual young men who tend to sing really high. They do wanna hold your hand. They don't wanna give you every inch of my love. Their appeal is to pubescent girls.
It doesn't matter if it was manufactured. Hell, Frank Sinatra's manager invented that whole screaming girls thing by paying a dozen girls to scream. It took off on its own after that. Sinatra had the brains and talent to reinvent himself when the Teen Heartthrob thing got old. So did the Beatles. But they got their respective starts as heartthrob and boy band.
I think of boy bands as a group of cute, non-threatening, mildly sexual young men who tend to sing really high. They do wanna hold your hand. They don't wanna give you every inch of my love. Their appeal is to pubescent girls.
It doesn't matter if it was manufactured. Hell, Frank Sinatra's manager invented that whole screaming girls thing by paying a dozen girls to scream. It took off on its own after that. Sinatra had the brains and talent to reinvent himself when the Teen Heartthrob thing got old. So did the Beatles. But they got their respective starts as heartthrob and boy band.
08-04-04, 11:27 AM
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</small>Reading about their time in Hamburg pretty much destroys the notion that they were manufactured.
Originally posted by slop101
That was only for the U.S. and years after they became popular all on their own in England.
That was only for the U.S. and years after they became popular all on their own in England.
08-04-04, 11:36 AM
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Re: Re: Re: Terms of reference?
Originally posted by slop101
That was only for the U.S. and years after they became popular all on their own in England.
That was only for the U.S. and years after they became popular all on their own in England.
but it took what....YEARS?
08-04-04, 11:42 AM
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Originally posted by KevinSmithIsGod
but it took what....YEARS?
but it took what....YEARS?
08-04-04, 12:23 PM
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Re: Re: Re: Terms of reference?
Originally posted by slop101
I can't believe this is even up for discussion. The Beatles have done more for popular music, as far defining it and revolutionizing it, than you could ever hope to understand. They practically invented and perfected the formula of a rock band playing pop/rock songs, much of which has yet to be improved upon.
I can't believe this is even up for discussion. The Beatles have done more for popular music, as far defining it and revolutionizing it, than you could ever hope to understand. They practically invented and perfected the formula of a rock band playing pop/rock songs, much of which has yet to be improved upon.
08-04-04, 01:01 PM
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Yes, they were a boy band.
I think of boy bands as a group of cute, non-threatening,
Yes, they were a boy band.
I think of boy bands as a group of cute, non-threatening,
08-04-04, 01:09 PM
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Originally posted by MJKTool
I don't think anyone is saying they didnt revolutionize music. All I am saying, as well as some others, are that they started out like a boy band and transformed into one of the "greatest" (not my words) bands ever. Why are some of you getting so offended by this?
I don't think anyone is saying they didnt revolutionize music. All I am saying, as well as some others, are that they started out like a boy band and transformed into one of the "greatest" (not my words) bands ever. Why are some of you getting so offended by this?
08-04-04, 01:20 PM
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hmmm... all this discussion and not one of the people who are saying the "Beatles were a boy band" addressed the fact that the Beatles played their own instruments and wrote their own songs!!!
I don't see Menudo, New Kids, Nsynch, or Backstreet Boys writing their own songs or playing their own instruments.
I don't see Menudo, New Kids, Nsynch, or Backstreet Boys writing their own songs or playing their own instruments.
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Originally posted by slop101
Traveling through European towns in a beat-up van all by themselves, playing for little to no money - How is that starting out like a boy band?
Traveling through European towns in a beat-up van all by themselves, playing for little to no money - How is that starting out like a boy band?
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Originally posted by nodeerforamonth
hmmm... all this discussion and not one of the people who are saying the "Beatles were a boy band" addressed the fact that the Beatles played their own instruments and wrote their own songs!!!
I don't see Menudo, New Kids, Nsynch, or Backstreet Boys writing their own songs or playing their own instruments.
hmmm... all this discussion and not one of the people who are saying the "Beatles were a boy band" addressed the fact that the Beatles played their own instruments and wrote their own songs!!!
I don't see Menudo, New Kids, Nsynch, or Backstreet Boys writing their own songs or playing their own instruments.
08-04-04, 01:51 PM
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Originally posted by nodeerforamonth
I don't see Menudo, New Kids, Nsynch, or Backstreet Boys writing their own songs or playing their own instruments.
I don't see Menudo, New Kids, Nsynch, or Backstreet Boys writing their own songs or playing their own instruments.
08-04-04, 01:54 PM
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Early Beatles Yes. They played pop hits that appealed mainly to teenage girls. If that isn't "Boy Band" then I don't know what is. As for playing their own instruments, it wasn't like Pharrel or Timberland were around to throw down some some beats for them to sing over. If music companies today thought girls wanted to see their boy bands play instruments, they would.
If music companies today thought girls wanted to see their boy bands play instruments, they would.
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Re: Re: Re: Terms of reference?
Originally posted by slop101
Actually, instead of talking out of your ass, why don't you do a little research first?
Actually, instead of talking out of your ass, why don't you do a little research first?
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Originally posted by MJKTool
All I am saying, as well as some others, are that they started out like a boy band and transformed into one of the "greatest" (not my words) bands ever.
All I am saying, as well as some others, are that they started out like a boy band and transformed into one of the "greatest" (not my words) bands ever.
Originally posted by MJKTool
Why are some of you getting so offended by this?
Why are some of you getting so offended by this?
As well as the problem with definitions, there is little to show that those arriving at the "yes they were a boy band" option offered in the poll have much knowledge of the band's history.
Boy band now seems to be used by folk as a perjorative term for a manufactured, short term musical phenomenon as opposed, say, to a band comprised of boys. Even saying that, the US-created Beatles clone band, The Monkees, had an element of longevity.
Starr said the groups are very different, however. He said that starting out, the four Beatles were certainly "boys and we were a band," and also admitted that early on, the group also didn't write all of their own material. But then he commented that once John Lennon and Paul McCartney began writing songs--and George Harrison as well--"it became that the song was important, not our dancing."
Starr was making a bit of a joke, as the Beatles were never a dancing group.
Starr was making a bit of a joke, as the Beatles were never a dancing group.
today's pop music is like candy. You can gorge yourself on it for only so long until one day it makes you sick. The Beatles are like fruits and veggies. You have to grow up first to appreciate them, but once you do, they'll only make you stronger!
And, finally, someone reviewing Fred Levy's book "The Ultimate Boy Band Book" said:
Any true music fan will no doubt take offense at Levy's introduction, a supposed history of boy bands. The author begins by introducing one of rock history's greatest boy bands, the Beatles. The idea that the Beatles – to many, the single most innovative and original team of creative artists ever – are comparable with pre-packaged music groups put together by calculating executives because they appeal to key demographics, rather than because they can claim any artistic merit, is downright insulting.
