Count Dooku

How many people tune in to watch live is an issue for ABC and the advertisers, not the Academy. It's the most prestigious award and "Hollywood's biggest night," so the stars are going to show up and it's going to be on broadcast TV. The audience expectations for everything on the networks, except the NFL, have dropped, and so it must be for this.

The Oscars used to get 50 million viewers, but episodes of Roseanne used to get 30 million. Those days are gone for broadcast TV.

The Oscars have to be what they are, or else they aren't special, and then there's even less reason for anyone to watch.

Viewership goes up when popular movies and people are nominated. But we all know that the public's relationship with movies as a special form of entertainment is changing drastically.

If you think of The Oscars as a TV show, then that's what it is, and there are LOTS of TV shows to watch. If you think of The Oscars as a special and important yearly event, then that's the reason to watch.

dex14

https://variety.com/2023/film/awards...de-1235814937/

jjcool

Yeah. Good luck with that. Certainly there's no one in Hollywood that would talk longer than they were supposed to, right? God forbid we get another slap, and the whole schedule goes to hell.

Decker

20 Finalists Announced for Best Visual Effects Oscar. Oppenheimer is not among them (which is bonkers in my book)

Here's the complete list :

Visual Effects Top 20 Finalists

• “Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quanumania” (Marvel Studios)
• “Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom” (Warner Bros.)
• “Barbie” (Warner Bros.)
• “The Boys in the Boat” (Amazon MGM Studios)
• “The Creator” (20th Century Studios)
• “Dungeons & Dragons: Honor Among Thieves” (Paramount Pictures)
• “Godzilla: Minus One” (Toho)
• “Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3” (Marvel Studios)
• “Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny” (Walt Disney Pictures)
• “Killers of the Flower Moon” (Apple Original Films/Paramount Pictures)
• “The Marvels” (Marvel Studios)
• “Mission: Impossible – Dead Reckoning Part One” (Paramount Pictures)
• “Napoleon” (Apple Original Films/Sony Pictures)
• “Nyad” (Netflix)
• “Poor Things” (Searchlight Pictures)
• “Rebel Moon: Part One – A Child of Fire” (Netflix)
• “Society of the Snow” (Netflix)
• “Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse” (Sony Pictures)
• “Transformers: Rise of the Beasts” (Paramount Pictures)
• “Wonka” (Warner Bros.)

Fortunately, this is still in the running :

DJariya

Godzilla Minus One

Decker

It's weird that Across the Spider-Verse made the list. It's an animated film and didn't really think it fell in the category of Visual Effects.

stvn1974

My interest in the 2024 Academy Awards begins and ends with Nolan not winning best director.

Decker

DJariya

Why So Blu?

Give it to The Creator!

Decker

Again???

rocket1312

​​​​​​That is bonkers. Especially considering it was all done the old fashioned way with in camera effects.

Cellar Door

I was curious about that. According to Wikipedia, three other wholly animated films have been nominated before: The Nightmare Before Christmas, Kubo and the Two Strings, and The Lion King (the 2019 CGI version).

Ash Ketchum

Wait, isn't that a children's show? The only time I've seen it was with my nephews' kids, who said it was their favorite show. And how could it be Oscar-themed since it's set in an inner-city public elementary school? Besides, what kids will still be up at 10:30 on Oscar night to want to watch that? Why doesn't ABC just launch into an early newscast to report on what happened at the Oscars? I like that it'll start early, but this idea sounds dumb to me.

dex14

No.

dex14

Oppenheimer not on this list is fucking absurd.

Decker

I haven’t seen it yet, but I can’t help but wonder : What sort of visual effects are employed in Nyad, and are they really more visually impressive than the fucking Trinity test?

cultshock

I thought so too, but to be fair, I found it the most visually stunning film of the year, so I can see it.

Quantumania should not be in the running. (the other Marvel movies this year, sure).

Crocker Jarmen

There's a big hallucination sequence where Nyad goes "Under the Sea" like she's in The Little Mermaid, but now that I think of it, I'm sure most of the swimming sequences are visual effects, that they aren't really out in deep waters. That's always more impressive to me, the effects you don't realize are effects.

Maybe there's some weird prejudice against practical effects? "They just filmed something in a clever way, they didn't actually build an effect." As though the effect is a tangible thing, instead of the resulting illusion.

dex14

TomOpus

Fincher's movies are full of this.

dex14

Here are the shortlists:

DOCUMENTARY FEATURE FILM
American Symphony
Apolonia, Apolonia
Beyond Utopia
Bobi Wine: The People’s President
Desperate Souls, Dark City and the Legend of Midnight Cowboy
The Eternal Memory
Four Daughters
Going to Mars: The Nikki Giovanni Project
In the Rearview
Stamped from the Beginning
Still: A Michael J. Fox Movie
A Still Small Voice
32 Sounds
To Kill a Tiger
20 Days in Mariupol

DOCUMENTARY SHORT FILM
The ABCs of Book Banning
The Barber of Little Rock
Bear
Between Earth & Sky
Black Girls Play: The Story of Hand Games
Camp Courage
Deciding Vote
How We Get Free
If Dreams Were Lightning: Rural Healthcare Crisis
Island in Between
The Last Repair Shop
Last Song from Kabul
Nǎi Nai & Wài Pó
Oasis
Wings of Dust

INTERNATIONAL FEATURE FILM
Armenia, Amerikatsi
Bhutan, The Monk and the Gun
Denmark, The Promised Land
Finland, Fallen Leaves
France, The Taste of Things
Germany, The Teachers’ Lounge
Iceland, Godland
Italy, Io Capitano
Japan, Perfect Days
Mexico, Totem
Morocco, The Mother of All Lies
Spain, Society of the Snow
Tunisia, Four Daughters
Ukraine, 20 Days in Mariupol
United Kingdom, The Zone of Interest

MAKEUP AND HAIRSTYLING
Beau Is Afraid
Ferrari
Golda
Killers of the Flower Moon
The Last Voyage of the Demeter
Maestro
Napoleon
Oppenheimer
Poor Things
Society of the Snow

MUSIC (ORIGINAL SCORE)
American Fiction
American Symphony
Barbie
The Boy and the Heron
The Color Purple
Elemental
The Holdovers
Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny
Killers of the Flower Moon
Oppenheimer
Poor Things
Saltburn
Society of the Snow
Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse
The Zone of Interest

MUSIC (ORIGINAL SONG)
It Never Went Away from American Symphony
Dear Alien (Who Art In Heaven) from Asteroid City
Dance The Night from Barbie
I’m Just Ken from Barbie
What Was I Made For? from Barbie
Keep It Movin’ from The Color Purple
Superpower (I) from The Color Purple
The Fire Inside from Flamin’ Hot
High Life from Flora and Son
Meet In The Middle from Flora and Son
Can’t Catch Me Now from The Hunger Games: The Ballad of Songbirds & Snakes
Wahzhazhe (A Song For My People) from Killers of the Flower Moon
Quiet Eyes from Past Lives
Road To Freedom from Rustin
Am I Dreaming from Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse

ANIMATED SHORT FILM
Boom
Eeva
Humo (Smoke)
I’m Hip
A Kind of Testament
Koerkorter (Dog Apartment)
Letter to a Pig
Ninety-Five Senses
Once upon a Studio
Our Uniform
Pachyderme
Pete
27
War Is Over! Inspired by the Music of John & Yoko
Wild Summon

LIVE ACTION SHORT FILM
The After
The Anne Frank Gift Shop
An Avocado Pit
Bienvenidos a Los Angeles
Dead Cat
Good Boy
Invincible
Invisible Border
Knight of Fortune
The One Note Man
Red, White and Blue
The Shepherd
Strange Way of Life
The Wonderful Story of Henry Sugar
Yellow

SOUND
Barbie
The Creator
Ferrari
The Killer
Killers of the Flower Moon
Maestro
Mission: Impossible – Dead Reckoning Part One
Napoleon
Oppenheimer
The Zone of Interest

VISUAL EFFECTS
The Creator
Godzilla Minus One
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3
Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny
Mission: Impossible – Dead Reckoning Part One
Napoleon
Poor Things
Rebel Moon – Part One: A Child of Fire
Society of the Snow
Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse

Draven

I thought the Trinity test was the most underwhelming part of that movie. The atomic blasts in Godzilla Minus One put that sequence to shame. Glad to see it make the list.

dom56

A little disappointed that Godzilla Minus One not nominated for Sound thought it should be in it. Happy for Visual Effect.

dex14

It’s not nominated yet. It’s just the shortlist of candidates.