French Connection Censored on Streaming Platforms
#151
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Re: French Connection Censored on Streaming Platforms
I don't think you quite understand the impact that word can have on people when it's used as it is in this film. It's not "a little offensive language" to millions of people.
#152
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Way too complicated. I'll bow out of this thread and see what happens.
I don't believe in censorship. I'd rather they just transition to being more self-conscious about new films.
I hope Scorsese and WB doesn't decide to remove all the racial insensitivities from Goodfellas. So many movies I can think of. Thinking about how much would need to be censored. I don't foresee this being a trend, beyond possibly transitioning to streaming having "edited for TV" type edits to satisfy advertisers.
I don't believe in censorship. I'd rather they just transition to being more self-conscious about new films.
I hope Scorsese and WB doesn't decide to remove all the racial insensitivities from Goodfellas. So many movies I can think of. Thinking about how much would need to be censored. I don't foresee this being a trend, beyond possibly transitioning to streaming having "edited for TV" type edits to satisfy advertisers.
#153
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The unwritten process of political correctness will always randomly target certain elements and bypass others. Is the French Connection any more offensive than the homophobic and racist dialogue on display in the Best Picture winner of 2006 "The Departed"?
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Again, apparently not Disney's doing. And not a trend. One powerful and probably mentally fading director's wishes. That's it (at least for now). Let's not call out the company that owns the studio, let's not bemoan a trend and look hypothetically into a dystopian and intolerant future. It's one guy, one movie. At least for now.
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#155
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Again, apparently not Disney's doing. And not a trend. One powerful and probably mentally fading director's wishes. That's it (at least for now). Let's not call out the company that owns the studio, let's not bemoan a trend and look hypothetically into a dystopian and intolerant future. It's one guy, one movie. At least for now.
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But yes, the issue of visual artists messing with work after it has been sold to others has been going on in small degree for quite some time. And they don't really have the right to, since they no longer own it.
#158
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So this isn't Disney/Fox either, but rather a simple edit from Friedkin's Director's Cut? That's just surprising, given his filmography. If that's all that's to it, there's not much to talk about.
#159
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So all we have on this is Jeffrey Wells saying that a connection of his has opined that Friedkin requested this cut. Look at the actual quote (underlined by me, for emphasis):
Sorry for being skeptical, and I could see this being true, but it's not exactly confirmed with that kind of ambiguity. There's literally nothing there but someone's opinion on what Friedkin may or may not have asked for.
I'm going to need something more meaty than that if I'm going to believe this version of the story.
I spoke yesterday to a Hollywood veteran, and one of the things I asked him was “why the hell would Friedkin betray the original artistic intent of his own Oscar-winning film by approving the deletion of a nine-second scene that uses the N-word?”
His reply: “Well, he’s entitled to do this, and the original film hasn’t disappeared — it’s available on physical media even if the streaming version is missing the censored footage.”
And then he said something interesting: “I don’t think Friedkin is playing the same close attention to this matter that you are.” I took that to mean that Friedkin may not be paying super-close attention in general.
His reply: “Well, he’s entitled to do this, and the original film hasn’t disappeared — it’s available on physical media even if the streaming version is missing the censored footage.”
And then he said something interesting: “I don’t think Friedkin is playing the same close attention to this matter that you are.” I took that to mean that Friedkin may not be paying super-close attention in general.
I'm going to need something more meaty than that if I'm going to believe this version of the story.
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#160
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Wow, so Friedkin went on record saying he changed it?
Link?
Link?
#161
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no. No such confirmation exists. Just Jeffrey Wells posting on his blog, claiming that an "industry veteran" friend of his said Friedkin was entitled to make the cut, not that he actually made the decision.edit: and yet we have dozens of posts taking it as gospel truth.
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#162
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Don't quote me but with photography, isn't it true that the original photographer (who pressed the shutter-release button) is always the rights-holder in perpetuity of that image regardless of who they sold the image to? For instance, school photographers take a headshot of your son or daughter and sell you the photos but doesn't the photographer still hold the rights to the image? I suppose it depends on how the fine-print is worded.
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Don't quote me but with photography, isn't it true that the original photographer (who pressed the shutter-release button) is always the rights-holder in perpetuity of that image regardless of who they sold the image to? For instance, school photographers take a headshot of your son or daughter and sell you the photos but doesn't the photographer still hold the rights to the image? I suppose it depends on how the fine-print is worded.
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#164
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If William Friedkin wants to come to my house and edit my vhs tape and scratch my Blu-ray, I’ll allow it as long as he brings a lone UHD copy of Sorcerer and watches it with me.
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I haven't seen Sorcerer in many years, but I think it pulled off the signature sequence better than The Wages of Fear.
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#166
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I love showing it to people and watching them get very slowly sucked in until that scene hits.
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I saw The Wages of Fear first, in theaters, in a blind view (despite having blind blight it years earlier) and it was an amazing experience. Probably a top ten movie for me. For me, it’ll always be vastly superior to Sorceror.
#168
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I saw the movie Violent Road on the afternoon matinee movie on tv in the 60s. Went to see Sorcerer went it first came out and thought it was a remake of that old movie I saw on tv as a kid. Didn't know Wages of Fear existed at the time.
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I'll admit I saw Sorcerer first, so that influences my opinion. Wages of Fear is the better overall movie, for sure. I'll have to revisit Sorcerer to see how that scene feels now.
#170
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I absolutely love movies but not to the extent where I care if they get edited. My life won't change if a movie has edits x years later. And lets not assume that just because the director wanted FC edited it means that it's going to be an open flood gate of other edits happening. I've actually thought to myself that I wish some media that have insensitive jokes would get edited so I didn't avoid watching them today.
Would I care if I woke up tomorrow and Pulp Fiction was edited to say "Dead Man Storage" instead of what was filmed? Not a single bit. The movie is still amazing if you remove the n word (being used with a hard R) from it. If a movie lives or dies by the use of a racist slur, it's a terrible movie to begin with.
Would I care if I woke up tomorrow and Pulp Fiction was edited to say "Dead Man Storage" instead of what was filmed? Not a single bit. The movie is still amazing if you remove the n word (being used with a hard R) from it. If a movie lives or dies by the use of a racist slur, it's a terrible movie to begin with.
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#171
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If anyone is looking for the Blu-ray it’s being sold on eBay by Deep Discount for $8.99 plus $1.99 shipping. I grabbed it.
#172
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Deep Discount. Haven't used that in so long. Any of you all still participate in that annual sale (if it's still ongoing)?
#173
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DD has always been reliable. At least with me they have been.
#174
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Deep Discount is fine. I don’t use them a lot but they’re reliable enough. I bought a Simpsons figure from them just a couple months ago.
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