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Re: Screen Actors Strike 2023
Originally Posted by rw2516
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Erin Cummings may have to pay for her plane tickets and hotel but she's a multi-millionaire and after personal expenses nets more per episode than most people make in a year. . She and her husband are both middle class working actors. She had to appear on a YouTube movie review show when work was slow to earn some extra money post pandemic. She's good friends with John Campea, who ran the YouTube show. Google does not always give correct info. I've interacted with Erin a few times on Instagram. Nice lady, but she's not rich. She just moved from Los Angeles to NY to hopefully get more work opportunities. |
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And here are some of the rates "guest stars" make according to Backstage magazine, which is a Hollywood trade magazine for actors. It highly varies depending on how known the actor is. And rates depend if it's a network TV show or a streaming show. Streaming shows pay far less.
https://www.backstage.com/magazine/a...rs-make-68522/ How much do guest stars get paid per episode?These roles are the focal point of the plot, and the actors who play them are hired for the entire episode. Sometimes, the character shows up in future storylines and they end up recurring on the series. That means multiple bookings from one audition.The pay is called “top-of-show.” That’s the most a show will pay for a guest star actor, unless that person is a name. On network TV, the rate for a one-hour drama is currently $9,522 (eight days of work) and half-hour comedies pay $5,951 (five days of work). Guest stars are billed in the main titles on a separate card. That means it’s just their name on the screen. Keep in mind that there are minor deviations to everything explained here, and rates vary between networks, cable, and streaming services. One-Off Guest stars make even less The rate here is negotiable. Some established actors can command $3,000 for one day of work, while less experienced clients might go for $1,500. It all depends on the performer and their agent’s ability to get things done. One-day guest stars are billed in the main titles. Those are the credits that appear up front at the start of the episode. They have to share the card, but a good agent can negotiate how many actors are placed on that card and what their client's position will be. When you factor in taxes, manager and talent agency cuts, this is not a lot of money. And you only work when your agent finds you a possible job that you still have to audition for. And then you're trying to earn enough for health insurance and pay your $3,000 to $4,000 per month in rent. |
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This one actor who is on a Netflix show as a "series regular" makes less than me. And I only work part-time in sports TV graphics.
And again the vast majority of working actors are not rich or multi-millionaires. Some of you who work in your cushy WFH IT or tech jobs probably make 3-4 times what they make. Average PayThe US Bureau of Labor Statistics reported the average pay for California actors in 2022 was $27.73 per hour -- before agents, managers, and attorneys each take their percentages.The Bureau of Labor also notes that actors are not full-time let alone year-round employees but often day-workers. Health InsuranceOnly 12.7% of SAG-AFTRA members are eligible for the union's health plan as the minimum dollar amount per year an actor has to make off their work to qualify is $26,470.Nearly 90% of working actors make less than the absolute minimum for the union's health insurance plan. |
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How the hell can any of these people afford to live in LA?
Onlyfans? Cons/ Cameos? Some other side hustle? Are they all just in massive amounts of debt? |
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And if you're not important enough to be listed in the opening credits, forget anyone seeing your name since the end credits either speed right by or are reduced to a tiny blip on the screen as the next show starts or a network promo appears.
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Re: Screen Actors Strike 2023
Originally Posted by Giantrobo
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Right? It's like this everywhere....The folks they need THE MOST, like the BACKBONES of their businesses who they can't do anything without... are the ones they FUCK OVER the Most and the Hardest.
Make it make sense! Oh yeah... greed, "Share Holder Dick Riding", and simply not caring. |
Re: Screen Actors Strike 2023
Originally Posted by candyrocket786
(Post 14298256)
How the hell can any of these people afford to live in LA?
Onlyfans? Cons/ Cameos? Some other side hustle? Are they all just in massive amounts of debt? |
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I am a stage actor in my free time (just started rehearsals this week for a new show) but I made a conscious decision to not pursue acting when I was in college because a) I'm not good enough and b) I am not the type of person who could handle the 100+ rejections working actors get before they might get one opportunity. It takes a special breed and I'm not it.
That being said, if you do manage to get a job, you should be paid fairly. And if you are part of a hit property, series or movie that is making big bucks for the studio, you should get a chunk of that. It never ceases to amaze me how many non-management people side with management and executives in these disputes. COMPANIES DON'T CARE ABOUT YOU. So stop caring so much about the company. |
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But, but, they're my family? Also everyone else is just lazy, certainly the company looks at how many extra hours I put in and will never lay me off.
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Re: Screen Actors Strike 2023
Originally Posted by Draven
(Post 14298413)
That being said, if you do manage to get a job, you should be paid fairly. And if you are part of a hit property, series or movie that is making big bucks for the studio, you should get a chunk of that.
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Re: Screen Actors Strike 2023
Originally Posted by Rob V
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I'm all for actors being compensated fairly... I'd just say define "fairly". Would anyone disagree that teachers aren't compensated fairly? Some teachers are better than others; some actors are better than others. How do you create a one-size-fits-all compensation plan? I'm NOT for the money going to executives but rather to the creative process; and I'm not even sure how that would happen accounting-wise.
These strikes are currently trying to define what "fairly" means. |
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Mandy Moore said yesterday that her residuals from This is Us being on Hulu ranged from 1 cent to 81 cents.
It's obvious the financial model for streaming residuals doesn't work at all, especially for content providers who have no ads plans. Probably won't happen this time around, but they need someone smarter to work with them to hash it out. |
Re: Screen Actors Strike 2023
Originally Posted by DJariya
(Post 14298456)
Mandy Moore said yesterday that her residuals from This is Us being on Hulu ranged from 1 cent to 81 cents.
It's obvious the financial model for streaming residuals doesn't work at all, especially for content providers who have no ads plans. Probably won't happen this time around, but they need someone smarter to work with them to hash it out. |
Re: Screen Actors Strike 2023
Originally Posted by IBJoel
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I've been of the opinion for a few years now that Milton Friedman was the single most destructive person of the 20th Century.
YES! I did have to Google him :lol: But I see what you're talking about. :mad: The Friedman doctrine, also called shareholder theory, is a normative theory of business ethics advanced by economist Milton Friedman which holds that the social responsibility of business is to increase its profits.[1] This shareholder primacy approach views shareholders as the economic engine of the organization and the only group to which the firm is socially responsible. As such, the goal of the firm is to increase its profits and maximize returns to shareholders.[1] Friedman argues that the shareholders can then decide for themselves what social initiatives to take part in, rather than have an executive whom the shareholders appointed explicitly for business purposes decide such matters for them.[2] The Friedman doctrine has been very influential in the corporate world from the 1980s to the 2000s. However, it has attracted criticism, particularly since the financial crisis of 2007–2008, caused by various financial institutions which engaged in excessive risk for profit maximization, causing the bubble and collapse of the American real estate market that triggered the crisis throughout the wider global economy.[3][4][5][6][7][8 |
Re: Screen Actors Strike 2023
Originally Posted by Draven
(Post 14298413)
It never ceases to amaze me how many non-management people side with management and executives in these disputes. COMPANIES DON'T CARE ABOUT YOU. So stop caring so much about the company.
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Re: Screen Actors Strike 2023
Originally Posted by Coral
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This might be worth cross-posting to the Movie Box office thread - where people seem to care, for some reason, how much money movie studios make on their releases.
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Re: Screen Actors Strike 2023
Originally Posted by DJariya
(Post 14298456)
Mandy Moore said yesterday that her residuals from This is Us being on Hulu ranged from 1 cent to 81 cents.
It's obvious the financial model for streaming residuals doesn't work at all, especially for content providers who have no ads plans. Probably won't happen this time around, but they need someone smarter to work with them to hash it out. |
Re: Screen Actors Strike 2023
Originally Posted by Count Dooku
(Post 14298571)
That is not about having any interest in how much some corporation is profiting, it is about keeping a scorecard of winners and losers. If Barbie comes out and makes a fortune, then the dollar amount is taken as a quantifiable measure how something that cannot be quantified: how much people care about something. And once people find out that other people care about something, they are inclined to believe that they need to care about it too. The hype perpetuates the hype, so that people can ascribe meaning to their lives by identifying as part of a collective.
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Re: Screen Actors Strike 2023
Originally Posted by rw2516
(Post 14298218)
Stars make the big bucks. Anna Faris got $350K per episode. The Winchesters, Sam and Dean got $125-175K per episodes. Supporting regulars seem to average around $70K per episode (from what I can find out). The one shot guest appearance is about $15-20K.
Pedro Pascal got $600K per episode for Last of Us. There's a stink over it because the girl, can't think of her name, only got $70K per episode. Erin Cummings may have to pay for her plane tickets and hotel but she's a multi-millionaire and after personal expenses nets more per episode than most people make in a year. I thought Matt Jones, the guy who played the deadbeat, pothead, ex husband of Anna Faris on Mom would be a good example. Not in every episode, shows up occasionaly, etc. Nope. His net worth is in the millions. As for moving expenses, how is this any different than a "regular" job? Do "regular" jobs pay moving expenses regularly? If I'm looking for a job, I look around where I live. If I need to look elsewhere, then that's going to involve moving where I live. If I want to be in a particular field, I'll pick a spot that is rich in opportunities in that particular field. |
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This is talking about an average actor who books a job as a "series regular" on a TV show. Not an already established superstar like Mark Harmon, Nathan Fillion, or Mariska Hargitay.
https://www.backstage.com/magazine/a...rs-make-75180/ How much do actors make on a television show?An actor’s pay on a television show depends on how many episodes they are contracted for.Regulars: $3,756 - $5,897/week. The SAG minimum day rate for TV series regulars is between $3,756 and $5,897/week, depending on show length and the number of times an actor appears in a season’s given episodes. Co-stars: $1,082/day. Co-stars earn $1,082 per day. One-day guest stars: $1,000 - $3,000/day. One-day guest stars earnings are negotiable—usually between $1,000 and $3,000 per appearance. Guest stars: $5,952 - $9,522/week. Other guest stars earn between $5,951 (five days of work) and $9,522 (eight days of work). Wages vary depending on what agents are able to negotiate and the actor’s influence on the show. For example, the cast of “The Big Bang Theory” were mostly unknown when they started out on the long-running CBS comedy. As their characters became more beloved, the cast became integral to the show’s success, and their salaries adjusted accordingly. Jim Parsons made a total of $60,000 for Season 1 of “The Big Bang Theory.” By Season 12, he was making $1 million per episode. And salaries vary if it's network TV, cable or a streamer. Network TV tends to pay more since it's supported by ad revenue and seen by more people. And they tend to order more episodes. |
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Back in the 1990s, Friends and Seinfeld were two of the most popular shows on broadcast TV. At some point, every member of both main casts was being paid a million dollars an episode.
20 years later, both series are on broadcast TV everyday in almost every major media market, and both are on basic cable everyday. How much did the casts make in residuals for that, the cable and broadcast residuals, in 2022? Also, both series are considered to be very valuable properties to the streaming services (Netflix and HBO Max) that own the exclusive rights.How much did the casts make in streaming residuals in 2022? Provide the public with that data, so the comparison is obvious. The historical model of residuals is being paid for showings. It didn't matter how many people were watching, it only mattered that the work was being shown. Every time TBS shows an episode of Friends, a fixed amount goes to each member of the main cast. And if you were a guest actor who appeared on the show, every time that particular episode is shown, you get something. Streaming fucks that up because there is no such thing as the episodes being shown, they are just there to be watched as little or as much as anyone individually chooses. Does anyone have any idea of how Netflix calculates residuals for Seinfeld? How much does Bryan Cranston get paid by Netflix for the five episodes of Seinfeld he was on? Show the public the numbers, so the public can understand the issue. |
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If the actors can get what they are after for the streaming money, it would be nothing because no one would be able to afford it.
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Re: Screen Actors Strike 2023
Originally Posted by Count Dooku
(Post 14298682)
How much does Bryan Cranston get paid by Netflix for the five episodes of Seinfeld he was on?
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The petty is real
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Re: Screen Actors Strike 2023
Originally Posted by dex14
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I think this is big thing of it all. Who is supposed to be paying for this? Netflix pays Sony to license Seinfeld for streaming. Should Sony be passing on part of the licensing fee income to actors as residuals? Does Netflix legally owe the actors anything? It’s not their owned content.
With traditional syndication, the series are sold my the studio to be shown on various stations. Residuals are paid out by the studio to the actors based on the number of showings. But with streaming, there isn't any traditional broadcast. Viewers watch what they want, when they want to. And the streamers know exactly how many views each episode has. So should they pay residuals just by having something available on a streaming platform in a lump sum? Or should residuals be paid by the number of streams, like Spotify does with music? If it's the former, then I suspect we'll either see the subscription fees for these platforms increase, or the amount of available content reduced significantly. Or, the way stuff works, probably a bit of both. And if it's to be based on the number of streams, I don't think it's necessarily going to be the goldmine that writers and actors think it is. How many people could be watching a given episode of Too Close for Comfort on Tubi during the time it's available? |
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