Thunderbolts* (2025, D: Schreier)
#176
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Re: Thunderbolts* (2025, D: Schreier)
I'm going Friday night. Count me in the opposite camp where I like US Agent and kinda don't care about Bucky. I think seeing the rise and fall of Walker and knowing that his story is far closer to the reality of the military industrial complex, versus the more fantastical nature of Bucky (even though you can read him as a statement on veteran PTSD) helps a lot. I think brainwashing in general is something I dislike, because it takes away agency, motivation, and culpability and mixes metaphors too much.
#177
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Re: Thunderbolts* (2025, D: Schreier)
Wow, really strong reviews rolling in. 95% on RT so far
https://x.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1917251057563902242
And here's why RT isn't a great metric. A solid but not outstanding 69 on Metacritic
https://x.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1917251057563902242
And here's why RT isn't a great metric. A solid but not outstanding 69 on Metacritic
#178
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Re: Thunderbolts* (2025, D: Schreier)
RT uses an aggregate % based on positive reviews by RT certified critics.
Metacritic also uses a similar aggreagate score, but has more weight on it based on the critics reputation and popularity. A YouTube critic wouldn't have enough merit on this system for example.
Metacritic also uses a similar aggreagate score, but has more weight on it based on the critics reputation and popularity. A YouTube critic wouldn't have enough merit on this system for example.
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#179
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Re: Thunderbolts* (2025, D: Schreier)
Rottentomatoes is just a collection of reviews, once a review is deemed "positive" it's a fresh tomato, if a review is deemed negative it's a rotten tomato.
You can have 400 reviews where every review gives a movie a 3 out of 5, and it will have 100% on rottentomatoes. That doesn't mean it's an amazing movie, but everyone that saw it at least liked it a little. Similarly, 400 reviews can give a movie a 2.5 out of 5 rating and it could have a 0% on rottentomatoes.
Metacritic has a limited number of reviews and only focuses on the overall review score between 1 - 100. So if a movie has 84, that means critics gave it actual high scores, where as on rottentomatoes 84% just means 84% of the viewers liked/recommend the movie.
Meta is probably better for gauging how "good" a movie is, where as Rottentomatoes only cares about the number of people that liked the movie without gauging how much they liked it or how good they thought it was.
You can have 400 reviews where every review gives a movie a 3 out of 5, and it will have 100% on rottentomatoes. That doesn't mean it's an amazing movie, but everyone that saw it at least liked it a little. Similarly, 400 reviews can give a movie a 2.5 out of 5 rating and it could have a 0% on rottentomatoes.
Metacritic has a limited number of reviews and only focuses on the overall review score between 1 - 100. So if a movie has 84, that means critics gave it actual high scores, where as on rottentomatoes 84% just means 84% of the viewers liked/recommend the movie.
Meta is probably better for gauging how "good" a movie is, where as Rottentomatoes only cares about the number of people that liked the movie without gauging how much they liked it or how good they thought it was.
#180
DVD Talk God
Re: Thunderbolts* (2025, D: Schreier)
Rottentomatoes is just a collection of reviews, once a review is deemed "positive" it's a fresh tomato, if a review is deemed negative it's a rotten tomato.
You can have 400 reviews where every review gives a movie a 3 out of 5, and it will have 100% on rottentomatoes. That doesn't mean it's an amazing movie, but everyone that saw it at least liked it a little. Similarly, 400 reviews can give a movie a 2.5 out of 5 rating and it could have a 0% on rottentomatoes.
Metacritic has a limited number of reviews and only focuses on the overall review score between 1 - 100. So if a movie has 84, that means critics gave it actual high scores, where as on rottentomatoes 84% just means 84% of the viewers liked/recommend the movie.
Meta is probably better for gauging how "good" a movie is, where as Rottentomatoes only cares about the number of people that liked the movie without gauging how much they liked it or how good they thought it was.
You can have 400 reviews where every review gives a movie a 3 out of 5, and it will have 100% on rottentomatoes. That doesn't mean it's an amazing movie, but everyone that saw it at least liked it a little. Similarly, 400 reviews can give a movie a 2.5 out of 5 rating and it could have a 0% on rottentomatoes.
Metacritic has a limited number of reviews and only focuses on the overall review score between 1 - 100. So if a movie has 84, that means critics gave it actual high scores, where as on rottentomatoes 84% just means 84% of the viewers liked/recommend the movie.
Meta is probably better for gauging how "good" a movie is, where as Rottentomatoes only cares about the number of people that liked the movie without gauging how much they liked it or how good they thought it was.
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#181
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Re: Thunderbolts* (2025, D: Schreier)
I guess that's the long and short of it.
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#183
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Re: Thunderbolts* (2025, D: Schreier)
Sometimes I think I'm the only person in the world who doesn't give a shit about Rottentomatoes. Their "fresh" tells you absolutely nothing except a tepid seal-of-approval. And a "rotten" score is usually only given to movies that I would have avoided anyway.
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#184
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Re: Thunderbolts* (2025, D: Schreier)
No you aren’t the only one. I don’t care about them either. I just got added to their mailing list after buying my MI tickets. Immediately unsubscribed and I don’t recall Fandango asking if I wanted to subscribe in the first place.
#185
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Re: Thunderbolts* (2025, D: Schreier)
But I frequently disagree with the score.
...so yeah it's absolutely useless
#186
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Re: Thunderbolts* (2025, D: Schreier)
The only thing to maybe consider is if you go through the reviews and some of the reviewers are people you think are shitty critics or “paid off shills”.
#187
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Re: Thunderbolts* (2025, D: Schreier)
It's an opinion?? You've never disagreed with a score a movie has received?
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#189
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Re: Thunderbolts* (2025, D: Schreier)
Keeping this MCU related, I liked Captain America: Brave New World from a few months ago even though it was under 50%.
#190
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Re: Thunderbolts* (2025, D: Schreier)
So.....you disagreed with the score....
#191
Re: Thunderbolts* (2025, D: Schreier)
I think his point is that the RT number isn't really qualitative but rather quantitative. It's data. If a movie has an 80% fresh rating, that's not really something you can disagree with. It's just a fact that 80% of the reviews skewed positive.
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#192
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Re: Thunderbolts* (2025, D: Schreier)
I understand how Rotten Tomatoes works. But it doesn't matter. It's still subjective data. If I disagree with RT's The Last Jedi score of 91% I'm not disagreeing with the fact that 91% of professional critics rated it positively. I'm disagreeing with their assessment of the movie and questioning their sanity for reviewing that movie positively.
So when I see a RT score and then watch the movie I can absolutely agree or disagree with that score. That's how opinions work.
#193
Re: Thunderbolts* (2025, D: Schreier)
Oh, That's how opinions work. I get it now.
#194
Re: Thunderbolts* (2025, D: Schreier)
I saw this today in a Dolby amc and it was pretty darn great.
Sentry was done just about as good as possible.
The during and after credit scenes are actually essential this time.
This movie just flew by, it was over before I knew it.
Great movie
Sentry was done just about as good as possible.
The during and after credit scenes are actually essential this time.
This movie just flew by, it was over before I knew it.
Great movie
#195
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Re: Thunderbolts* (2025, D: Schreier)
There is a review thread on the 1st page.
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