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Re: 2022 Academy Awards
Originally Posted by Crocker Jarmen
(Post 14059253)
Looking over the years, it's very common for only one of the Best Actress nominees to be for a movie nominated for Best Picture. |
Re: 2022 Academy Awards
Originally Posted by dex14
(Post 14059268)
I feel like that should be even less common now with 10 films in the Best Picture category. This year, across the 10 leading actors and actresses, only two are in best pictures nominees. It just seems like a disconnect.
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Re: 2022 Academy Awards
Originally Posted by dex14
(Post 14059268)
I feel like that should be even less common now with 10 films in the Best Picture category. This year, across the 10 leading actors and actresses, only two are in best pictures nominees. It just seems like a disconnect.
2009 3 out of 10 2010 3 out of 10 2011 1 out of 9 2012 4 out of 9 2013 3 out of 9 2014 1 out of 8 2015 2 out of 8 2016 1 out of 9 2017 4 out of 9 2018 3 out of 8 2019 2 out of 9 2020/21 2 out of 8 Best Actress to Best Picture Noms: 1 match 3X 2 match 3X 3 match 4X 4 match 2X For comparison, here's the Actor category matches during the same time period: 2009 2 out of 10 2010 4 out of 10 2011 3 out of 9 2012 3 out of 9 2013 5 out of 9 2014 4 out of 8 2015 2 out of 8 2016 4 out of 9 2017 4 out of 9 2018 4 out of 8 2019 3 out of 9 2020/21 4 out of 8 Best Actor to Best Picture Noms: 1 match 0X 2 match 2X 3 match 3X 4 match 6X 5 match 1X |
Re: 2022 Academy Awards
Originally Posted by Decker
(Post 14058676)
It’s not ratings that are the concern, ratings are down for everything. What is the concern is relevance. The Best Picture was always controversial but it at least mattered. Movies like Unforgiven, Gladiator, Platoon, Rain Man — those may not have truly been the best movie in a given year, but they were at least very good, very popular and the Best Picture win cemented their importance in the culture. Now with Nomadland and maybe Power of the Dog, these are movies that might be admired, but are they beloved? Will anyone care about them move after their wins? There’s become a real disconnect between the voters and the moviegoing public, whatever is left of it. The Oscars are becoming less of a coronation and more of a stamp of approval. Not the victory lap, more of a critic’s blurb in the ad campaign. They used to be the end-all of awards, the pinnacle. Now they feel kind of like the Palm d’Or at Cannes : a nice honor, but ultimately who cares?
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Re: 2022 Academy Awards
For a show that most of you claim you don't watch, that it's no longer relevant, some of you are putting a lot of thought and energy into talking about.
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Re: 2022 Academy Awards
I’ve watched every year since 1979.
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Re: 2022 Academy Awards
Originally Posted by Decker
(Post 14059374)
I’ve watched every year since 1979.
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Re: 2022 Academy Awards
For me this boils down to "artsy=good" and has for the last few years at least. Something like Spider-Man: No Way Home was absolutely one of the best movies of the year, but because it's a comic book movie, it's not good enough for the big award. That's ridiculous. It was harder to make that movie good than half of what's on the list.
I see a fair number of movies in a given year and of the Best Picture nominations, I've seen...Dune. Which was pretty to look at but kind of boring. I think most of the movie-going public (who are also the people who will watch the show and boost the ratings) are in the same boat. So it'll be another low-rated telecast and afterwards everyone will point fingers and ask what happened. Also Miranda will get the EGOT - even though it's the wrong Encanto song. I heard that Disney had to put the nomination in for Best Song before the movie was even released - they had no idea what was going to blow up from the soundtrack. |
Re: 2022 Academy Awards
It's not just that it's a comic book movie, it's that it's got a lot of lore working toward it and expects you to be at least somewhat up to speed with the world. For folks that don't follow the franchises it is pretty hard to care. Mix that with academy members skewing older and that's a hard sell. Though I'm sure something will join Black Panther and Joker up there.
Dune I found incredibly involving, but it's also got an abrupt ending and is thoroughly incomplete (I've never read the book) |
Re: 2022 Academy Awards
I agree that No Way Home has a lot of lore, but it's one of the biggest movies of all time. So people obviously "got it" and there's no reason the Academy couldn't recognize a movie like that, even if it wasn't as standalone as others. Hell, with a box office like that, more of the Academy members probably saw it over anything else on the list.
There's nothing wrong with the Academy going "hey we all saw this movie and it was really great". Especially over a bunch of other nominations that have limited appeal at best. And again, with regards to the lore, hey do weird stuff like that all the time - like giving people Oscars for lesser roles as "make ups" for when they didn't get the one they should have. It's certainly not a "pure" award given only on merit. Other things factor in all the time. I've always felt that the Academy Awards should be a mix of popular opinions and high art. They seem to be leaning more and more into "high art" every year. |
Re: 2022 Academy Awards
People act as if "the Academy" is some kind of committee that can just nominate whatever movies they'd like.
What I find interesting is that the people voting for these things don't seem to have much regard for the stuff that actually makes them money. I suppose that's always been true to a degree, but the range of movies that actually make money has gotten so narrow that unless the nominees are all franchise fare, there's always going to be a disconnect. |
Re: 2022 Academy Awards
Originally Posted by Draven
(Post 14059421)
I've always felt that the Academy Awards should be a mix of popular opinions and high art. They seem to be leaning more and more into "high art" every year.
Outside of Drive My Car and The Power of the Dog, nothing here is really "high art". |
Re: 2022 Academy Awards
Originally Posted by Decker
(Post 14059374)
I’ve watched every year since 1979.
Although I never took the awards seriously, I enjoyed watching the ceremony for its celebration of films and their history. That has steadily declined over the years. |
Re: 2022 Academy Awards
:lol:
Members of the Academy won’t be the only ones voting for their favorite films ahead of the 94th Academy Awards. Beginning this Monday, Twitter users will get to vote on their favorite films that were released in 2021 — regardless of if the film was nominated for an Oscar — using the hashtag #OscarsFanFavorite. The film that receives the most fan votes by March 3 will be recognized during the awards broadcast on March 27. The Twitter love won’t end there, either. Three Twitter users who cast their votes during the Feb. 14 to March 3 period will be selected — along with their guests — to have an all-expenses-paid trip to Los Angeles to present an Oscar award at the following ceremony in 2023. “We’re thrilled to partner with Twitter to help build an engaged and excited digital audience leading up to this year’s ceremony,” Meryl Johnson, the vice president of digital marketing at the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences, said in a statement to The Hollywood Reporter. “Through these activations, social media users around the world now have more opportunities to engage with the show in real-time, find a community and be a part of the experience in ways they’ve never been able to before.” The Academy originally toyed with creating a most popular film category during the 91st Academy Awards in 2019 as a means to encourage more mainstream moviegoers to watch the ceremony and boost ratings. But after significant pushback from critics and Academy members, the plan was ultimately scrapped and has not yet been reintroduced since then. Though the fan-favorite film selected by Twitter users won’t be a formal Oscars category, it will give eager fans the opportunity to weigh in with their opinions of 2021’s best films, especially if they didn’t receive a nomination by the Academy, paving the way for a snubbed hit like Spider-Man: No Way Home to potentially find its way into the ceremony. As part of the partnership between the Academy and Twitter, Twitter users will also be able to tweet about their favorite scene from a 2021 film using #OscarsCheerMoment. The winning scenes will be shown at the Oscars ceremony, alongside the fans tweets, and five users who participated in the campaign will receive a hefty prize pack that includes a full year of free movie tickets at the theater of their choice, subscriptions to streaming services and exclusive items from the Academy Museum store. For both the fan-favorite film and cheer moment campaigns, Twitter users will be able to tweet out their submissions up to 20 times a day. “Twitter is the place to be during award shows and The Oscars is one of the biggest conversation drivers every year,” Sarah Rosen, Twitter’s head of U.S. entertainment and news partnerships, said. “The idea that a movie fan might see their Tweet during The Oscars broadcast is pretty epic, and we are thrilled to have the opportunity to partner with The Academy to bring this to life.” |
Re: 2022 Academy Awards
Originally Posted by dex14
(Post 14059533)
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Re: 2022 Academy Awards
Very relevant hosts. :lol:
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Re: 2022 Academy Awards
Well, that will turn off any extra men from watching.
I have loved Wanda Sykes for 20 years. I don’t think most people know who Regina Hall even is, and Amy Schumer turns off a whole lot of people. I liked Schumer’s standup a long time ago as she was just becoming a name, but have not cared for her since then. Why not just have Tina and Amy host. People seem to like them at least. |
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I liked the idea of Martin, Short, and Gomez.
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Re: 2022 Academy Awards
I had heard rumors for months that it was going to be the Only Murders in the Building leads of Martin, Short and Gomez. That would have been way better than this.
And yeah, Regina Hall is not ringing a bell with me at all. Second consecutive Regina to host though so that's.... something? |
Re: 2022 Academy Awards
Originally Posted by Decker
(Post 14059606)
I had heard rumors for months that it was going to be the Only Murders in the Building leads of Martin, Short and Gomez. That would have been way better than this.
And yeah, Regina Hall is not ringing a bell with me at all. Second consecutive Regina to host though so that's.... something? |
Re: 2022 Academy Awards
Originally Posted by dex14
(Post 14059607)
The most recent thing you saw Hall in was Nine Perfect Strangers.
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Re: 2022 Academy Awards
Originally Posted by Decker
(Post 14059609)
The most recent thing I didn't see her in. :lol: I looked at her IMDB and don't think I've seen any of her work since Love & Basketball. I meant to watch Girl's Trip, which I own, but never got around to it. Ditto the About Last Night remake.
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Regina Hall was great on Black Monday
Wonder who will call out Sykes now that Cosby is uh Cosby |
Re: 2022 Academy Awards
Originally Posted by RichC2
(Post 14059612)
Regina Hall was great on Black Monday
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Re: 2022 Academy Awards
Originally Posted by dex14
(Post 14059610)
Now I'm just surprised you didn't watch a David E. Kelly show with Nicole Kidman. :lol:
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