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Old 08-17-22, 12:37 AM
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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

Originally Posted by tanman
And all of this is a moot point anyways if it was declared a cold weapon. It's doesn't matter if he pulled the trigger or not.
This, this, this! So much focus on the trigger when the fact remains he was an actor on a set being handed a gun that the weapon specialist told him was not loaded.
Could he have taken further precautions than he did? Absolutely. Should he have? Probably. But none of that makes him the one responsible for the accident, at least in his capacity as an actor on set. His producer credit probably exposes him to a lot of liability though.
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Originally Posted by tanman
But just like roller coaster accidents are exceedingly rare compared to car accidents each one is more horrific because of the nature of movies and roller coasters being nonessential recreational activities. The tolerance for accidents is near zero. We accept that mining, fishing, forestry, lineman and construction etc are all exceedingly dangerous occupations but are essential for society.
Motorsports is just recreational and people die in accidents, if stunt people die on a movie set, we don't react the same way. In this case a famous actor was involved which doesn't make the accident more horrible, but more exciting for the media. No one "cares" about the death of a stunt driver on Deadpool 2, but if Ryan Reynolds had been directly involved in the accident, the media an all of us, would discuss it. That's sensationalism.
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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

Originally Posted by Decker
This, this, this! So much focus on the trigger when the fact remains he was an actor on a set being handed a gun that the weapon specialist told him was not loaded.
Could he have taken further precautions than he did? Absolutely. Should he have? Probably. But none of that makes him the one responsible for the accident, at least in his capacity as an actor on set. His producer credit probably exposes him to a lot of liability though.
I was going to add that his role as a producer is a totally different matter and if he somehow was cutting corners and not doing things by the book that could be different. But that doesn't necessarily seem to be the case. I understand the safety officer's lawyer is trying to place blame elsewhere but getting wrapped up on if he pulled the trigger is just a ridiculous point to focus on.
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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

Originally Posted by Runaway
Motorsports is just recreational and people die in accidents, if stunt people die on a movie set, we don't react the same way. In this case a famous actor was involved which doesn't make the accident more horrible, but more exciting for the media. No one "cares" about the death of a stunt driver on Deadpool 2, but if Ryan Reynolds had been directly involved in the accident, the media an all of us, would discuss it. That's sensationalism.
I'm definitely not going to argue against the media sensationalizing certain stories. They definitely love any kind of angle. But again there is an understood inherent risk to motorsports and stunt drivers. It is definitely a sad thing when someone dies but there is still increased risk associated with their jobs. This was a DP that was killed just sitting in a chair because there were numerous safety regulations that were ignored on set. Yes it stays in the news cycle since it was Alec Baldwin that pulled (or didn't pull) the trigger. But it still would have been a tragic story otherwise.
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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

Originally Posted by tanman
I'm definitely not going to argue against the media sensationalizing certain stories. They definitely love any kind of angle. But again there is an understood inherent risk to motorsports and stunt drivers. It is definitely a sad thing when someone dies but there is still increased risk associated with their jobs. This was a DP that was killed just sitting in a chair because there were numerous safety regulations that were ignored on set. Yes it stays in the news cycle since it was Alec Baldwin that pulled (or didn't pull) the trigger. But it still would have been a tragic story otherwise.
This is a horrible accident, which should never have happened and only happened because safety protocols haven't been used correctly so, I agree it's not the same as a blow tire leading to an accident, but people wouldn't talk about it anymore if a stuntman or unknown actor had pulled the trigger.
Hardly anyone knows Michael Massee handeled the gun that killed Brandon Lee, since nobody knows who Michael Massee is. So if Luce Rains or Todd Bryant had fired the gun, the story would have gone away months ago. I'm not saying this story should go away. It's a serious issue and a woman was killed, because of mistakes, which could have easily be prevented, but her death isn't reason the story goes on, it's the name Alec Baldwin.
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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

I won't argue that Baldwin should be held responsible (although he is the producer and at the end of the day, the CEO owns all the risk and all the glory). But in typical Baldwin fashion, he has shirked off responsibility and been a complete douche the entire time. He's a bad guy, always has been.
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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

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I won't argue that Baldwin should be held responsible (although he is the producer and at the end of the day, the CEO owns all the risk and all the glory). But in typical Baldwin fashion, he has shirked off responsibility and been a complete douche the entire time. He's a bad guy, always has been.
I can't imagine why anyone would act like "a complete douche" after being involved in a tragic and (likely) traumatic accidental killing, and then being hounded by the media and labelled a murderer by many.
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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

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I can't imagine why anyone would act like "a complete douche" after being involved in a tragic and (likely) traumatic accidental killing, and then being hounded by the media and labelled a murderer by many.
Yeah, me either. I'd think said person would act with remorse and compassion rather than going on a late night show and saying "I didn't do it". Very classy. Did you even watch his interview?
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Yeah, me either. I'd think said person would act with remorse and compassion rather than going on a late night show and saying "I didn't do it". Very classy. Did you even watch his interview?
I think that protesting for your innocence when you are being accused of manslaughter is an honest reaction. They always say on Law and Order that when a truly innocent person is accused of committing a terrible crime, their reaction is to angrily and excitedly proclaim their innocence. Why should Baldwin be different? Are you claiming that he should have used his acting skills to put on a show of remorse for the cameras? Maybe he cries his eyes out when he is alone with his wife, but he isn't wired to reveal that emotion in public. That would be very normal for a man of his age and background. He wouldn't be comfortable expressing any honest emotion in public but lashing out.

As far as shirking responsibility, I am certain his attorney's have made it very clear to him that he should not under any circumstances take responsibility for the killing, in any capacity. There are lawsuits against him and the production company. He has likely been counseled against even saying, "I'm sorry."

I have not watched the ABC interview he did months ago, if that is what you are referring to.
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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

I really like Alec Baldwin as an actor and I think he often sells himself short, by choosing his projects poorly, but man he comes of as a douche even if he isn't accused of manslaughter.
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Originally Posted by Count Dooku
I think that protesting for your innocence when you are being accused of manslaughter is an honest reaction. They always say on Law and Order that when a truly innocent person is accused of committing a terrible crime, their reaction is to angrily and excitedly proclaim their innocence. Why should Baldwin be different? Are you claiming that he should have used his acting skills to put on a show of remorse for the cameras? Maybe he cries his eyes out when he is alone with his wife, but he isn't wired to reveal that emotion in public. That would be very normal for a man of his age and background. He wouldn't be comfortable expressing any honest emotion in public but lashing out.

As far as shirking responsibility, I am certain his attorney's have made it very clear to him that he should not under any circumstances take responsibility for the killing, in any capacity. There are lawsuits against him and the production company. He has likely been counseled against even saying, "I'm sorry."

I have not watched the ABC interview he did months ago, if that is what you are referring to.
Ok, yes, I understand your perspective... If you watch a little bit of the interview, you might change your mind. The interview, IMO, was a really bad idea and he comes across in full defense mode. Why even go on TV? He was appealing the court of public opinion and it back-fired, IMO.
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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

Like Trump says, if you're not guilty, you don't dodge the questions. So, Baldwin's lawyers are telling him to shut up, but he knows that if he avoids questions, he just looks guilty, and he doesn't think he's guilty of anything.

He definitely has a screw loose, but that doesn't make him a bad guy, imo.

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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

Originally Posted by Count Dooku
Like Trump says, if you're not guilty, you don't dodge the questions. So, Baldwin's lawyers are telling him to shut up, but he knows that if he avoids questions, he just looks guilty, and he doesn't think he's guilty of anything.

He definitely has a screw loose, but that doesn't make him a bad guy, imo.
But calling his 11-year-old-daughter 'a rude, thoughtless, little pig' does. While his daughter has forgiven him, you don't have to go to rehab with 19, when your parents haven't fucked up. Like I said, superb actor, with a lot of charisma, but always comes of as an ass.
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But calling his 11-year-old-daughter 'a rude, thoughtless, little pig' does. While his daughter has forgiven him, you don't have to go to rehab with 19, when your parents haven't fucked up. Like I said, superb actor, with a lot of charisma, but always comes of as an ass.
In his 2008 book, A Promise to Ourselves: A Journey Through Fatherhood and Divorce, Baldwin chronicled the contentious seven-year custody battle with Basinger over their daughter following their separation, contending that she spent more than $1.5 million in her efforts to deny him parental access.
Two rich and famous parents engaged in a drawn out and very contentious custody battle over their lone child, a beautiful blonde-haired girl, just like her mother, Kim Basinger, who is no poster child for mental stability herself.

Everything needs context. Easy to harshly judge the behavior of celebrities just because they are celebrities when that behavior is actually pretty commonplace among the general populace.
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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

Alec Baldwin reaches settlement with Halyna Hutchins' family | CNN

The family of Halyna Hutchins, the cinematographer killed on the “Rust” movie set in 2021, and Alec Baldwin have reached an undisclosed settlement in the wrongful death lawsuit filed against the actor and others, according to a statement released by the actor’s attorney.

The lawsuit, filed in February in Santa Fe, against Baldwin, the film’s production companies, its producers and other key members of the crew, alleged numerous industry standard violations.

Matthew Hutchins, widower of Halyna Hutchins who was killed on set, will be an executive producer on film and receive a portion of the profits, the statement adds.

“We have reached a settlement, subject to court approval, for our wrongful death case against the producers of Rust, including Alec Baldwin and Rust Movie Productions, LLC. As part of that settlement, our case will be dismissed. The filming of Rust, which I will now executive produce, will resume with all the original principal players on board in January 2023. I have no interest in engaging in recriminations or attribution of blame (to the producers or Mr. Baldwin). All of us believe Halyna’s death was a terrible accident. I am grateful that the producers and the entertainment community have come together to pay tribute to Halyna’s final work,” Hutchins said in a statement.

“Throughout this difficult process, everyone has maintained the specific desire to do what is best for Halyna’s son. We are grateful to everyone who contributed to the resolution of this tragic and painful situation,” Alec Baldwin’s attorney, Luke Nikas of Quinn Emanuel, said in a statement.
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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

So that's the civil case.. there may still be a criminal case.

I don't like Baldwin but I do believe it was just an accident and likely not his fault at all. Although I could have done without his "I didn't pull the trigger!" even though it's since had forensics run and he absolutely had to have in order for the gun to go off. He knows he did it. He should have tried being honest (but.. that has never really been his style).
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Makes sense now why he was selling his home in the Hamptons...
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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

I’m surprised they’re still going to release this. It seems odd that Hutchins’ husband is now going to get an executive producer credit and a portion of the profits. Wouldn’t Halyna have already gotten that money anyway? It seems like the only thing her husband got, that he otherwise wouldn’t have, is his name in the credits.
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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

I've never wanted to watch The Twilight Zone Movie segment the (practically infant) children were killed during the making of, and didn't understand why they didn't scrap the whole segment.

What's the point of finishing and releasing Rust, since it will be impossible for it to work as a movie until decades and decades from now? I can't image the story working at all, right now, everyone is going to be looking at purely from the angle of "this is the movie Alec Baldwin killed that woman during the making of". They might as well market it that way. This seems like a ghoulish decision.

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I highly doubt there will be a making-of. However, it is indeed ghoulish.
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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

Originally Posted by Crocker Jarmen
I've never wanted to watch The Twilight Zone Movie segment the (practically infant) children were killed during the making of, and didn't understand why they didn't scrap the whole segment.
Just for the record, the children who died were a six-year-old Taiwanese-born girl, Renee Chen, and a seven-year-old Vietnamese-American boy, Myca Dinh Le. Each had a parent present on the set when this happened. Neither child had ever acted before.
Those parents were Dr. Daniel Le, father of Myca, and Shyan-Huei Chen, mother of Renee. The other parents, Kim-Hoa Le, mother of Myca, and Mark Chen, father of Renee, had attended the filming the night before and had to work a full day afterwards, so they opted not to join them the second night when the tragedy occurred.

The children had been recruited for this scene and their parents paid in cash because it was illegal under California law to have children working at night without a special permit. No such permit had been sought. The parents of the children insisted that they’d never been told there would be explosions and a helicopter in the scene with them and the dangers inherent in such a situation. Associate producer George Folsey had done the recruiting, asking for help from a Dr. Harold Schuman, who had called his friend Peter Chen, who recommended his niece, Renee, and put Schuman in touch with his brother Mark Chen. Chen then contacted a friend, Dr. Daniel Le, who thought his son, Myca, might be interested. Folsey had been considering other children, but he thought these two might be most suitable for the scene and he brought the children to director John Landis on location a week before the filming of this scene and he’d approved them on the spot. Both children were reportedly eager to participate, clearly excited at being in a movie.

My short overview relies solely on information from the book, Outrageous Conduct: Art, Ego and the Twilight Zone Case, by Stephen Farber and Marc Green,1988/Ballantine Books, a detailed account of the accident, its aftermath and the manslaughter trial of those accused.
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There is a good episode of Cursed Films on Shudder that covers The Twilight Zone. A few people involved (obviously not John Landis) were interviewed.
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Originally Posted by Count Dooku
Two rich and famous parents engaged in a drawn out and very contentious custody battle over their lone child, a beautiful blonde-haired girl, just like her mother, Kim Basinger, who is no poster child for mental stability herself.

Everything needs context. Easy to harshly judge the behavior of celebrities just because they are celebrities when that behavior is actually pretty commonplace among the general populace.
Oh, I judge most parents for being shitty, famous or not.


Originally Posted by Crocker Jarmen
I've never wanted to watch The Twilight Zone Movie segment the (practically infant) children were killed during the making of, and didn't understand why they didn't scrap the whole segment.

What's the point of finishing and releasing Rust, since it will be impossible for it to work as a movie until decades and decades from now? I can't image the story working at all, right now, everyone is going to be looking at purely from the angle of "this is the movie Alec Baldwin killed that woman during the making of". They might as well market it that way. This seems like a ghoulish decision.
Although it might be a bit tasteless, the accident will probably make the movie more successful, so the husband is getting more money, that's just the practical standpoint. Furthermore it's still a movie production why waste the work of a lot of people?
I never had a problem with The Crow and we've probably all watched a couple of movies, where a stuntman died.
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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

Originally Posted by Crocker Jarmen
I've never wanted to watch The Twilight Zone Movie segment the (practically infant) children were killed during the making of, and didn't understand why they didn't scrap the whole segment.

What's the point of finishing and releasing Rust, since it will be impossible for it to work as a movie until decades and decades from now? I can't image the story working at all, right now, everyone is going to be looking at purely from the angle of "this is the movie Alec Baldwin killed that woman during the making of". They might as well market it that way. This seems like a ghoulish decision.
I can only say that for me, personally, the death that occurred on the set of the movie would have absolutely no impact on my ability to watch the movie just like I would any other.

If I couldn't compartmentalize what I know about the production of movies and the actors' personal lives, and then apply some good old-fashioned willing suspension of disbelief, then I would never be able to watch anything ever.
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So that's the civil case.. there may still be a criminal case.

I don't like Baldwin but I do believe it was just an accident and likely not his fault at all. Although I could have done without his "I didn't pull the trigger!" even though it's since had forensics run and he absolutely had to have in order for the gun to go off. He knows he did it. He should have tried being honest (but.. that has never really been his style).
Admitting you did something, even if it was an accident, is not a good strategy for winning lawsuits against you.

If I know that, then I am certain whatever lawyer Baldwin is paying a fortune was able to provide the same advice.

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