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Old 03-14-22, 02:28 PM
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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

Originally Posted by orangerunner
I think it also helps the performer react to the sound and kick-back of firing blanks.
There should be a profession where people could just pretend something being real.
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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

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There should be a profession where people could just pretend something being real.
Good suggestion but I think we already have enough politicians.
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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

Originally Posted by Count Dooku
Because you're an actor on a movie set and checking to make certain the gun isn't loaded is someone else's job.

Should Baldwin go the extra step and make sure the cinematographer is using the correct lens? Should he be making sure the lighting fixtures are secure? Making sure the craft table is stocked?
Having the wrong lens on the camera is going to potentially kill someone.

Originally Posted by Count Dooku
Also, Baldwin has been acting for 40 years. He's made a hundred movies. At what point do you just trust that the people around you are doing their jobs, so that you can concentrate on your job?
Baldwin has made MANY movies in which he has held a gun.
I guess it makes no sense for someone to be proficient with the tools that they use in their craft, and to know how to handle them safely.

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Do you think he ever once wondered if the gun he was holding was somehow loaded?
I bet he will moving forward.
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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

Originally Posted by Mike86
I don’t even know why it’s necessary to have live guns and ammunition on sets of movies in the first place. You can get imitation guns that look close enough to the real things, and gunfire effects/sounds can be added in during post production later on.
It's not necessary. The excuse I have read is that a computer generated shot does not "look real enough". If everyone on set can't be bothered to handle them safely, there is no reason to have them on set. This tragedy could have been prevented by so many people if just one of them had bothered to actually safety check the gun.
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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

I pause in posting this but it showed up on Facebook (posted by an ex-Otter).


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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

oof
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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

Originally Posted by OldBoy
still doesn't make up for killing someone.
whoooosh!
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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

Originally Posted by OldBoy
still doesn't make up for killing someone.
What is it with this forum today, so many dumb posts.
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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

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What is it with this forum today, so many dumb posts.
i retracted, but why was it dumb?
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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

Originally Posted by OldBoy
i retracted, but why was it dumb?
Explainig a joke is even worse than not getting it.

I thought it was funny.
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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

I also bet he is glad the Oscars were Sunday...


I fact I thought that would be why this thread was bumped.
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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

'Rust' movie receives maximum fine for gun safety failures in Alec Baldwin shooting


A report released by the state Occupational Health and Safety Bureau blasted "Rust" producers for "plain indifference" and noted they "willfully violated" known industry safety protocols in imposing a nearly $137,000 fine for firearms safety failures.
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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

Wow, $137k.... that's probably equal to the monthly food budget on set. I would suggest the gun safety enforcers revisit their rulebooks and add a line at the top that says "discharge of firearm that kills someone ------ $1,000,000,000,000.47"
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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

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Wow, $137k.... that's probably equal to the monthly food budget on set. I would suggest the gun safety enforcers revisit their rulebooks and add a line at the top that says "discharge of firearm that kills someone ------ $1,000,000,000,000.47"
The Occupational Safety report and fine just made it easier for the family suing Baldwin.
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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

That report is pretty damning of the production management. Baldwin doesn't enter into it at all. But his name is on the marquee, so he's the one who's being sued.

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And should be.

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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

I saw an ad on Instagram for the VUDU “Jack Ryan” 5-movie collection… It’s funny how they separate Alec Baldwin from Sean Connery and make Connery’s face large and basically show the top part of Baldwin’s head at the very bottom.

They really are trying to distance themselves, aren’t they?


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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

Don't know if you're serious.
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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

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Don't know if you're serious.
Tongue in cheek... just an interesting observation.
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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

I had to whip out my 4k boxset. Lol
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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

-Accidental shootings: Probation.
-Accidental deaths: 1yr behind bars

They should change the law.
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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

It's been a while since we had an update...

Weapon in deadly ‘Rust’ film set shooting could not be fired without pulling the trigger, FBI forensic testing finds

By Kevin Flower and Josh Campbell, CNN
Updated 1:21 PM EDT, Sun August 14, 2022FBI testing of the gun used in the fatal shooting on the movie set of “Rust” found that the weapon handled by actor Alec Baldwin could not be fired without pulling the trigger while the gun was cocked, according to a newly released forensics report.

Baldwin had the gun while rehearsing a scene of the Western film at the Bonanza Creek Ranch in New Mexico in October when a shot fired, killing cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and injuring director Joel Souza.

In December, Baldwin told ABC News he never pulled the trigger of the gun that shot Hutchins. “The trigger wasn’t pulled. I didn’t pull the trigger,” Baldwin said.

An attorney for the actor told CNN on Sunday the FBI report “is being misconstrued.”

“The gun fired in testing only one time – without having to pull the trigger – when the hammer was pulled back and the gun broke in two different places,” attorney Luke Nikas said in an email to CNN. “The FBI was unable to fire the gun in any prior test, even when pulling the trigger, because it was in such poor condition.”

“The critical report is the one from the medical examiner, who concluded that this was a tragic accident,” Nikas said. “This is the third time the New Mexico authorities have found that Alec Baldwin had no authority or knowledge of the allegedly unsafe conditions on the set, that he was told by the person in charge of safety on the set that the gun was ‘cold,’ and believed the gun was safe,” Nikas told CNN.

In the summary of the postmortem investigation into Hutchins’ death, which was formally signed by the New Mexico chief medical investigator, the cause of death is listed as “gunshot wound of chest,” and the manner of death is listed as an “accident.”

“Review of available law enforcement reports showed no compelling demonstration that the firearm was intentionally loaded with live ammunition on set. Based on all available information, including the absence of obvious intent to cause harm or death, the manner of death is best classified as accident,” the report concluded.

Baldwin, in the ABC News interview, also described cocking the gun as he talked through the scene with Hutchins. “So then I said to her, ‘Now in this scene, I’m going to the gun.’ And I said, ‘Do you want to see that?’ And she said, ‘Yes.’ So I take the gun and I start to cock the gun. I’m not going to pull the trigger.”

Cocking a revolver pistol like the one used on the movie set involves pulling the hammer of the gun back to prepare the weapon to fire. When the hammer of the gun is released forward with enough force – as happens when the trigger is pressed – it strikes the primer of a round of ammunition causing the gun to fire.

The FBI forensic report was handed over to the Santa Fe County Sheriff’s Office as part of the ongoing investigation into the fatal on-set shooting.

The report found that the gun, a .45 Colt (.45 Long Colt) caliber F.lli Pietta single-action revolver, “could not be made to fire without a pull of the trigger” with the hammer cocked at the ¼ and ½ positions. It also found that when the weapon was fully cocked it “could not be made to fire without a pull of the trigger while the working internal components were intact and functional.”

FBI examiners observed an internal malfunction of the gun during testing at the fully cocked position, with the report noting “portions of the trigger sear and cylinder stop fractured while the hammer was struck.”

The FBI report noted the limitations of the forensics testing, saying “it may not be possible to recreate or duplicate all of the circumstances which led to the discharge of a firearm without a pull of the trigger.”

An attorney representing Hannah Gutierrez Reed, who served as the armorer and props assistant on the film, said the forensics report indicated “Baldwin had to have pulled the trigger to fire the revolver” and that the 24-year-old was being used as a “scapegoat.”

Part of the Santa Fe County police investigation focuses on how a live round of ammunition may have made it onto the movie set.

In April, Rust Movie Productions, LLC was fined nearly $137,000 and cited for having a culture of “plain indifference to employee safety” on set, according to a report from New Mexico Environment Department’s Occupational Health & Safety Bureau.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/14/enter...ger/index.html
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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

Originally Posted by Rob V
Wow, $137k.... that's probably equal to the monthly food budget on set. I would suggest the gun safety enforcers revisit their rulebooks and add a line at the top that says "discharge of firearm that kills someone ------ $1,000,000,000,000.47"
This amount is based on precedence. If you think of this in terms of a workplace accident it's probably within reason. They will also have to deal with civil lawsuits as well.

When compared with how many workplace accidents and deaths occur in mining, oil & gas, forestry and construction the film business has very few accidental deaths and injuries (proportionally-speaking) compared to most big industries around the world.

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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

Originally Posted by orangerunner
This amount is based on precedence. If you think of this in terms of a workplace accident it's probably within reason. They will also have to deal with civil lawsuits as well.

When compared with how many workplace accidents and deaths occur in mining, oil & gas, forestry and construction the film business has very few accidental deaths and injuries (proportionally-speaking) compared to most big industries around the world.
But just like roller coaster accidents are exceedingly rare compared to car accidents each one is more horrific because of the nature of movies and roller coasters being nonessential recreational activities. The tolerance for accidents is near zero. We accept that mining, fishing, forestry, lineman and construction etc are all exceedingly dangerous occupations but are essential for society.
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Originally Posted by DJLinus
It's been a while since we had an update...



https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/14/enter...ger/index.html


So if I get this right, essentially the FBI report said an intact functioning model of the same weapon cannot be fired without pulling the trigger but also found evidence of mechanical malfunctions in the weapon that was involved that could have lead to an accidental discharge? Talk about henpecking your evidence. Lawyers are just the absolute worst. And all of this is a moot point anyways if it was declared a cold weapon. It's doesn't matter if he pulled the trigger or not.

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