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Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Abrams, 2019) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
12-23-19, 10:50 AM
#351
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Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Abrams, 2019) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
Liked it even more the second time around. The Han Solo appearance was even more effective and Ford's performance was a real highlight for me. That scene communicated a lot with very little dialogue.
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12-23-19, 10:53 AM
#352
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Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Abrams, 2019) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
I think Ben's redemption was handled the right way. He never seemed like he wanted to be evil, it was like he felt it was calling him and he had to follow it, but was so happy to return to the light. I wasn't totally surprised by Harrison showing up again. When Carrie died, I expected JJ to pull some strings to get him to record some new footage. I was expecting something like a lost holo-recording that would inspire someone but a Force-memory* for Ben Solo was just wonderful.
"I know."
I wish we could have gotten more of that flashback of Luke and Leia training on Endor, but that might have strained the VFX team trying to paste their faces on the stunt doubles too much.
Overall, it could have used another 5-10 minutes just to let a few things breathe here and there, but I am still absolutely pleased and satisfied. I am definitely looking forward to having this on Bluray for rewatching.
*which now lends even more credence to the idea that Leia was remembering Padme through the Force and not just her adoptive mother.
12-23-19, 11:37 AM
#354
Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Abrams, 2019) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
I have a ton of thoughts about this movie, but I'll only share one that I haven't seen discussed much in this thread:
C-3PO. He's been a favorite character of mine since I was about five years old. So I'm really, really glad that he was given so much screen time in this movie, even if it didn't seem like a reasonable explanation was given as to why he accompanied Rey/Finn/Poe on their mission in the first place. (Maybe I missed why exactly they needed a protocol droid to go with them?) C-3PO's importance to the TROS storyline was my favorite take-away from the movie given my longtime soft spot for the droid.
Having said all that, dang it, I wish the screenplay hadn't undermined the impact of his memory wipe. The moment C-3PO made reference to R2-D2's faulty back-ups, I knew his memory wipe wouldn't be permanent, and as a result, his "one last look at my friends" line lost its punch completely. I really think it would have been much, much more moving to not restore his memory at the end and instead have a brief scene of C-3PO sitting and listening while R2-D2 filled him in on their history together and in the rebellion. It would have been totally bittersweet to see C-3PO's reaction to a history he participated in but no longer remembered. It was a missed opportunity for a truly impactful moment.
C-3PO. He's been a favorite character of mine since I was about five years old. So I'm really, really glad that he was given so much screen time in this movie, even if it didn't seem like a reasonable explanation was given as to why he accompanied Rey/Finn/Poe on their mission in the first place. (Maybe I missed why exactly they needed a protocol droid to go with them?) C-3PO's importance to the TROS storyline was my favorite take-away from the movie given my longtime soft spot for the droid.
Having said all that, dang it, I wish the screenplay hadn't undermined the impact of his memory wipe. The moment C-3PO made reference to R2-D2's faulty back-ups, I knew his memory wipe wouldn't be permanent, and as a result, his "one last look at my friends" line lost its punch completely. I really think it would have been much, much more moving to not restore his memory at the end and instead have a brief scene of C-3PO sitting and listening while R2-D2 filled him in on their history together and in the rebellion. It would have been totally bittersweet to see C-3PO's reaction to a history he participated in but no longer remembered. It was a missed opportunity for a truly impactful moment.
12-23-19, 11:42 AM
#355
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Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Abrams, 2019) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
Really the best place for Episode 9 to go would have been following the Canto Bight subplot everyone hated from Last Jedi. The resistance was so small at the end of Last Jedi they shouldn't have been able to fight the first order, let alone a final one. What they could have done though was a small strike, made up of all the characters we cared about, on the aristocratic arms dealers The Last Jedi setup which could have ultimately brought down The First Order. Have Kylo there trying to setup a relationship with the arms dealers as he's the new Supreme Leader.
12-23-19, 11:46 AM
#356
Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Abrams, 2019) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
Always funny. I still loved the movie despite its flaws. And that’s a good point about Lando and that ex stormtrooper scene at the very end. Was he hitting on her or implying that she may be his daughter? Either way it came off as way creepy.
https://youtu.be/b2zZFtq13c4
https://youtu.be/b2zZFtq13c4
But a key detail about Lando’s backstory from the Rise of Skywalker Visual Dictionary companion book adds a significant detail that changes the context of the scene.
The book explains: “When peace reigned, [Lando] attempted to start a family, but tragedy struck and his infant daughter vanished. It was only later that it became clear who the culprits behind the abduction were: the First Order, building their fighting forces but also specifically striking out at the old Alliance leadership.”
So the idea here is Jannah is Lando’s long-lost daughter. Perhaps his immediate interest in her was because she resembled Lando’s wife.
Since this story was first published, the idea that Jannah is Lando’s daughter has seemingly been confirmed by Jennifer Heddle, an editor for Disney Publishing’s Star Wars books.
According to a Lando timeline in the companion book, Lando’s daughter was born 21 years before the events in The Rise of Skywalker (Ackie is 28 years old, but her character’s age could be younger).
It’s tough to imagine Lando and Jannah’s scene was shot without a Lando backstory reference also filmed at some point to set it up a bit more. In fact, there’s a quote from Lando in the companion book along those lines that’s not in the film: “The First Order went after us — leaders from the old wars. They took our kids.”
In another scene in the film, Zorii Bliss (Keri Russell) explains to Poe (Oscar Isaac) that the First Order has been abducting children to fill its ranks. So it seems likely that the First Order child abduction subplot was at some point a larger part of the film’s story line and perhaps was trimmed before the final edit
The book explains: “When peace reigned, [Lando] attempted to start a family, but tragedy struck and his infant daughter vanished. It was only later that it became clear who the culprits behind the abduction were: the First Order, building their fighting forces but also specifically striking out at the old Alliance leadership.”
So the idea here is Jannah is Lando’s long-lost daughter. Perhaps his immediate interest in her was because she resembled Lando’s wife.
Since this story was first published, the idea that Jannah is Lando’s daughter has seemingly been confirmed by Jennifer Heddle, an editor for Disney Publishing’s Star Wars books.
According to a Lando timeline in the companion book, Lando’s daughter was born 21 years before the events in The Rise of Skywalker (Ackie is 28 years old, but her character’s age could be younger).
It’s tough to imagine Lando and Jannah’s scene was shot without a Lando backstory reference also filmed at some point to set it up a bit more. In fact, there’s a quote from Lando in the companion book along those lines that’s not in the film: “The First Order went after us — leaders from the old wars. They took our kids.”
In another scene in the film, Zorii Bliss (Keri Russell) explains to Poe (Oscar Isaac) that the First Order has been abducting children to fill its ranks. So it seems likely that the First Order child abduction subplot was at some point a larger part of the film’s story line and perhaps was trimmed before the final edit
12-23-19, 11:47 AM
#357
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Abrams, 2019) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
12-23-19, 11:57 AM
#358
Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Abrams, 2019) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
I really think it would have been much, much more moving to not restore his memory at the end and instead have a brief scene of C-3PO sitting and listening while R2-D2 filled him in on their history together and in the rebellion. It would have been totally bittersweet to see C-3PO's reaction to a history he participated in but no longer remembered. It was a missed opportunity for a truly impactful moment.
12-23-19, 12:07 PM
#359
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Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Abrams, 2019) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
And showed me just how much Ben/Kylo was fucked in the head since Han was not a force ghost. I saw him as a figment of Ben's conscience.
12-23-19, 12:11 PM
#360
Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Abrams, 2019) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
I forget where I saw this said, but someone made the suggestion that maybe, as Leia was dying, she used force projection to do this.
12-23-19, 01:04 PM
#361
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Abrams, 2019) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
It's probably going to wind up with Rogue One-like returns when all is said and done. About a billion worldwide and about a half a billion domestic. So it's going to underperform compared to The Last Jedi, but I think most (including Disney) expected this.
12-23-19, 01:13 PM
#362
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Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Abrams, 2019) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
Saw this a second time last night, this time with my wife. She liked it a lot, and appreciated the 'respect' (fan service) it paid to the previous movies. My opinion didn't change. It's just as messy and lazy on Sunday as it was on Friday.
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12-23-19, 01:17 PM
#363
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Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Abrams, 2019) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
12-23-19, 02:10 PM
#364
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Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Abrams, 2019) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
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12-23-19, 02:51 PM
#365
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Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Abrams, 2019) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
If this is going to underperform, it’s going to be because of the damage TLJ did to the franchise.
12-23-19, 03:49 PM
#366
Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Abrams, 2019) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
The scene with Han played out almost beat for beat like TFA. I took this as basically Ben replaying that scene but making a difference choice.
I also read somewhere that places like Ach-To are really strong in the Force (a nexus) and so places like these it is possible for a force ghost to interact with the real world (calling lightning, lifting an xwing) but Force ghosts can't just show up on Tatooine and call down lightning on folks at random or show up at the casino and help their friends.
12-23-19, 04:03 PM
#367
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Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Abrams, 2019) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
I also read somewhere that places like Ach-To are really strong in the Force (a nexus) and so places like these it is possible for a force ghost to interact with the real world (calling lightning, lifting an xwing) but Force ghosts can't just show up on Tatooine and call down lightning on folks at random or show up at the casino and help their friends.
12-23-19, 04:27 PM
#368
Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Abrams, 2019) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
The opening crawl of The Rise of Skywalker begins with “The dead speak!” and then teases a mysterious broadcast from the Emperor that threatens revenge. It’s a point that is later reiterated by Poe Dameron while talking to the Resistance. And yet, we never hear the message. But it was recorded by Ian McDiarmid, and it ended up being played as a sort of teaser within the Fortnite video game, where a clip from the movie was revealed before release. Here’s the Emperor Palpatine message in Fortnite:
<iframe width="640" height="360" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/0vHrQCKaJiQ" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>
<iframe width="640" height="360" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/0vHrQCKaJiQ" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>
12-23-19, 04:59 PM
#369
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Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Abrams, 2019) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
The opening crawl of The Rise of Skywalker begins with “The dead speak!”
Same thing with Lando showing up with all the backup. That striking shot of the Falcon in front of a thousand ships was in the trailer, so it was pretty clear that he'd turn up at the end with help. Again, just another wasted opportunity for a cool, meaningful moment.
12-23-19, 05:14 PM
#370
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Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Abrams, 2019) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
I thought it was good. I'm not a huge Star Wars fan so for the non-nitpicky viewer I think it worked really well. Lots of action, got so see some old fossils come back, and the good guys won at the end. If you didn't take this seriously - it was fun. My son, who's a crazy Star Wars fan, will probably hate it.
12-23-19, 05:24 PM
#371
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Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Abrams, 2019) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
The opening crawl of The Rise of Skywalker begins with “The dead speak!”
12-23-19, 05:39 PM
#372
Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Abrams, 2019) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
I thought this was a very fun movie! The best of the new ST.
Here’s my criticisms though:
-So the Knights of Ren were nobodies just like the red armored guys in TLJ and got disposed of even easier. That seemed very amateurish from whoever was crafting this story. What a waste.
-This definitely feels like they were making it up as they went. There were no clues that Rey was Palpatines grandkid it that Palpatine was still alive. Usually a good writer will have some kind of clue that people can look back on. None of that here.
-We’re supposed to care that Rey is the grandkid of the big bad? There was no real threat that she would turn evil. Even Chewbacca’s death was fake.
-So Palpatine had a family out of nowhere? What about his son? Why didn’t he have Force powers? Why didn’t the emperor try to use him?
-So Finn was just an average dude? He didn’t even get the girl. I thought Rose would be at least jealous of his new ex-stormtrooper buddy but they didn’t even bother with that.
-What about “there is an awakening in the Force?” So that was nothing I guess.
-Snoke being a literal puppet...yeah, very cliche or they didn’t know where they were going with his character.
-Luke’s ghost felt like The Dude giving some advice. I never felt like the stakes were high.
-Opening crawl seemed cheesier than usual. I would expect the movie to reveal Palpatine being alive in a better way.
Again, definitely a visual spectacle and fun. Rich visuals. The choreography was beautiful yet more realistic.
That last shot was perfect.
But a disappointing story for 30+ years later. It fits though with the overall quality of this franchise.
Here’s my criticisms though:
-So the Knights of Ren were nobodies just like the red armored guys in TLJ and got disposed of even easier. That seemed very amateurish from whoever was crafting this story. What a waste.
-This definitely feels like they were making it up as they went. There were no clues that Rey was Palpatines grandkid it that Palpatine was still alive. Usually a good writer will have some kind of clue that people can look back on. None of that here.
-We’re supposed to care that Rey is the grandkid of the big bad? There was no real threat that she would turn evil. Even Chewbacca’s death was fake.
-So Palpatine had a family out of nowhere? What about his son? Why didn’t he have Force powers? Why didn’t the emperor try to use him?
-So Finn was just an average dude? He didn’t even get the girl. I thought Rose would be at least jealous of his new ex-stormtrooper buddy but they didn’t even bother with that.
-What about “there is an awakening in the Force?” So that was nothing I guess.
-Snoke being a literal puppet...yeah, very cliche or they didn’t know where they were going with his character.
-Luke’s ghost felt like The Dude giving some advice. I never felt like the stakes were high.
-Opening crawl seemed cheesier than usual. I would expect the movie to reveal Palpatine being alive in a better way.
Again, definitely a visual spectacle and fun. Rich visuals. The choreography was beautiful yet more realistic.
That last shot was perfect.
But a disappointing story for 30+ years later. It fits though with the overall quality of this franchise.
12-23-19, 05:55 PM
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Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Abrams, 2019) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
I have a ton of thoughts about this movie, but I'll only share one that I haven't seen discussed much in this thread:
C-3PO. He's been a favorite character of mine since I was about five years old. So I'm really, really glad that he was given so much screen time in this movie, even if it didn't seem like a reasonable explanation was given as to why he accompanied Rey/Finn/Poe on their mission in the first place. (Maybe I missed why exactly they needed a protocol droid to go with them?) C-3PO's importance to the TROS storyline was my favorite take-away from the movie given my longtime soft spot for the droid.
Having said all that, dang it, I wish the screenplay hadn't undermined the impact of his memory wipe. The moment C-3PO made reference to R2-D2's faulty back-ups, I knew his memory wipe wouldn't be permanent, and as a result, his "one last look at my friends" line lost its punch completely. I really think it would have been much, much more moving to not restore his memory at the end and instead have a brief scene of C-3PO sitting and listening while R2-D2 filled him in on their history together and in the rebellion. It would have been totally bittersweet to see C-3PO's reaction to a history he participated in but no longer remembered. It was a missed opportunity for a truly impactful moment.
C-3PO. He's been a favorite character of mine since I was about five years old. So I'm really, really glad that he was given so much screen time in this movie, even if it didn't seem like a reasonable explanation was given as to why he accompanied Rey/Finn/Poe on their mission in the first place. (Maybe I missed why exactly they needed a protocol droid to go with them?) C-3PO's importance to the TROS storyline was my favorite take-away from the movie given my longtime soft spot for the droid.
Having said all that, dang it, I wish the screenplay hadn't undermined the impact of his memory wipe. The moment C-3PO made reference to R2-D2's faulty back-ups, I knew his memory wipe wouldn't be permanent, and as a result, his "one last look at my friends" line lost its punch completely. I really think it would have been much, much more moving to not restore his memory at the end and instead have a brief scene of C-3PO sitting and listening while R2-D2 filled him in on their history together and in the rebellion. It would have been totally bittersweet to see C-3PO's reaction to a history he participated in but no longer remembered. It was a missed opportunity for a truly impactful moment.
Thank you for calling this out! I always enjoyed C-3PO in the OT ... but everything that has come after seems to have done something wrong to the character. I haven’t been able to put my finger on what it is, but he has been an insufferable twat since 1999 (of course there was the terrible Battle Droid humor).
This movie finally returned something to the character that made him enjoyable again. I am VERY glad the shots of him carrying Chewie’s gear were just that ... him actually gearing up for battle would be a step back again.
Yes, I loved red-eyed Sith-3PO ... although a little Visine should clear that up.
12-23-19, 06:00 PM
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So ... going to risk a politics joke here ... please don’t take this off track ..
Palpatine’s son was ... Tiffany Trump?
Palpatine’s son was ... Tiffany Trump?
12-23-19, 06:24 PM
#375
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Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Abrams, 2019) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
-So the Knights of Ren were nobodies just like the red armored guys in TLJ and got disposed of even easier. That seemed very amateurish from whoever was crafting this story. What a waste.
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